William Pitt & others please explain Kerry Lawyer Statement on KO...

[truthpusher]

There is an obvious panic in the air here at DU...is there a good explanation for the statement tonight on Keith Olbermann?

[genieroze]

1. Kick

[Mabus]

2. I don't get MSNBC

I request it from the local cable company but so far they haven't added it to their line up.

So, what was said?

[truthpusher]

4. Link to another thread talking about it>>>

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=200295&mesg_id=200295

[Mabus]

33. Thank you so much

Sorry for the late "thank you." I just wanted to let you know how much I appreciate your help. It also helps remind me of why I'm addicted to DU.

[KaryninMiami]

3. Is help on the way or are we on our own again? Will? Any ideas?

Geeeez. What a shock. Any insight and hopeful responses would be GREATLY apprciated. Please. Because we are all completely horrified here by this new update from the Kerry team and from KO.

[lonestarnot]

11. Please speak for yourself; I'm rather pleased with today's events..not

horrified or mortified, but dignified.

[KerryOn]

5. Someone explain what is going on! n/t

[electric-eye]

9. Kerry's lawyer said today that "we have found no fraud, bush/cheney won."

Loose quote.

Hidden meaning, I dunno. I'd like to read the actual words myself.

Not necessarily what it seems.

[KerryOn]

28. Lets not give up hope yet...

I don't think they want to say anything, in fear of being wrong and being a laughing stock. Knowing there is fraud and proving it are two completely different things. They are just waiting to see what the law suit may turn up.

Lets keep our heads up.

[GetTheRightVote]

6. Yes, I hope Will P does come out and lighten our load a bit

It was suppose to be a good action done by Kerry and I for one hope it still is .......

[pleiku52cab]

7. Lawyer too harsh Thursday - too conciliatory today

someone has to really grasp the reins of this horse and point its head in the right direction. OPEN PANDORA'S BOX AND BARE THE FRAUD

[truthpusher]

8. Are you saying this is intentional for balance from k/e?

or are these guys just not sure where they are trying to go with this?

[rox63]

10. Will is probably taking a much needed break

After a really stressful day.

[truthpusher]

12. I wonder if he will come to are rescue after getting wind of what...

...was just said? He knows how desperate we all are for clarity...maybe he will come rushing back to his laptop just in time before the whole of DU implodes!

[whometense]

18. I might get flamed for this -

I understand how high the tension is here - and why. But, if it helps anyone, this is how I see things.

I think the situation cries out for a zen attitude. People should keep paying attention and doing whatever they can do to help, but at a certain point we just have to let go. We have to have faith. Kerry and his people are certainly not infallible, but they are the experts here, and also are the ones in possession of the most inside knowledge.

I myself have enormous faith in Kerry (he is my senator, I've met him and have followed his career since VVAW, so I do claim some knowledge of his character.)

There's no reason why anyone here should listen to me unless you choose to, but there it is. To those who say Kerry "doesn't want to be president this year", I say you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. To those who call him weak, I say you have no idea who you're talking about.

There are several things that stick in my head. The first is that though he behaves like a gentleman, Kerry intensely dislikes Bush. That comment he made in an undertone during the primary season ("the biggest bunch of crooks and liars") probably comes closer to his true feelings than anything he says publicly. He is also intensely competitive. Always has been. I just think it helps to keep his character in mind when trying to figure out what's going on. This is one huge chess match he's involved in, with unbelievably high stakes.

[bardgal]

20. well said - I agree....and thanks for saying it....

I also think that the info on the web can't be ignored forever - the fraud is so clear to me. THE EXIT POLLS WERE CORRECT.

[WilliamPitt]

13. The lawyer on KO is not the lawyer who filed the motions today

Repeat, NOT the same lawyer.

The fact is there are a lot of people in orbit around Kerry, and not all of them think this fraud stuff is real.

But Kerry had a lawyer join this case, so he obviously believes somethinjg is there to be investigated and exposed.

Deep breaths, all.

[Bill219]

14. Will..

thanks for the clarification

I think most of us(including myself) have been on this roller coaster of emotion all day waiting for the news of the motion to be filed and we have definitely overreacted to what was posted on KO's blog and what he said JK's attorney said.

[truthpusher]

15. Thanks...do you realize you just prevented about a thousand...

...panicked posts! and at least a dozen relapses!

[New Earth]

16. Hoffmeier should be fired. Ennnn/Teeeee

[saracat]

17. But Will, isn't it irresponsible of the Kerry Team and Kerry himself to

have an uncoordinated spokesperson? Even though Hoffmeir wasn't the lawyer who filed the motion,he WAS acting as a spokesperson. What gives with that> Should a retraction be expected? Why did Keith interview a non related lawyer on this issue? And if they are all playing on the same team, why would they have differing opinions? Something is not right here with either the team or KO. Any thoughts?

[WilliamPitt]

19. There is no 'Team' anymore

The campaign is over.

[saracat]

25. The Kerry Legal Team.

[xiamiam]

32. one half of the country is the team...

and heartsick over the direction we've taken...destroyed fallujah in one month...since the election..documented war crimes and breaking all geneva convention standards..a controlled press..an arrogant moral majority...and there is no end in sight...as long as there is a dollar to be stolen by the current regime, we will continue to live ashamed...we love our country..and cant believe the downward spiral...why are we hanging on to this team?...its our only chance..and Kerry knows it...Im sorry for anyone who has to clean up this mess...including Kerry...but without him...its over...so I stay hopeful that hes got a plan...the Chimp is about to take us down...period...its Kerry or divine intervention...

[KittyWampus]

22. For The 1000th Time. Kerry Does NOT BOOK GUESTS ON TV SHOWS!!!

the fucking media book the fucking guests.

[Doctor O]

27. No but any journalist would make sure that the person claiming to

represent someone like Kerry had the authority to speak for him.

[saracat]

29. Exactly one of my points!

[Doctor O]

30. Sounds like Will is having a bad evening n/t

[Doctor O]

24. No attorney will make a statement to the press without having cleared

it with his client. Hoffmeir, as the lead attorney on the ground in Ohio, would have to clear the context of the statement with his client who is Kerry.

McTigue could not file the motion without the permission of his client Kerry.

How would Hoffmeir have known last Thursday the context and content of the filing?

[truthpusher]

21. "his lead attorney on the ground in Ohio, Daniel J. Hoffheimer?"

a quote from the updated Olbermann Blog: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6210240/

what does this mean in relation to what you just said?...if you don't mind me asking?

[WilliamPitt]

23. I can't explain why Olbermann said that

because the 'lead attorney' did not have his name on the motion. Go figure.

[Doctor O]

26. All attorney's do not have to be listed on the motion,

only the attorney filing the motion. Perhaps he will be the one arguing the motion in the court.

[saracat]

31. I quoted you on another thread about this . You are right!

[New Earth]

34. now he just told me that he reported me to my ISP, FBI, hotmail

LMAO yeah right!!! sorry i keep posting in this thread, i don't want to make a separate thread for every email.

[PATRICK]

35. The needle's eye

First, let's worry about our own efforts. I am not comforted by the fact that the main media conduit, or safety valve for all fraud discussions(until it just "goes away") is ONE not extremely effective TV journalist. Whatever you think, MSNBC has given more special permission for this than it has for Lou Dobbs whose very popular and ornery stand against outsourcing has been occasionally punished by schedule banishment and modification. But, in general, when there is a big and intense public outcry against the overwhelming grain of establishment media, some profit taking safety valve is simply, dully, allowed.

Nor am I comforted by ANY of the efforts washing up against the stone walls of each precinct, county or state bureaucracy or the judges we plead with to get through to find the meager amount of stolen votes left to recover. That includes us as well as Kerry. It's all Gore 2000, all the time, so far, except there is no minimally hopeful result in the offing.

Kerry so far has plunged his efforts into irrelevancy. Current efforts are treading water with the rest of us. The same result is reverberating in the small fry who have even less of a chance but who at least want the truth out and the principles fought for.

Will Pitt has tried to clarify what was clear about his latest report, that Kerry is doing something, but not the miracle many here hope for. There is no sign at this time that the election can be overturned, or the votes recovered, or the picture clarified or any revelation or reform guaranteed.

The long slog after defeat(power defeat, not electoral) continues. The
incompetence of the party leadership is a big unaddressed problem as well as the election. So is the media and the few sops to the concerns of the people and their miserable failure to inform, do their jobs or anything. The fight fest might get worse as one notices the flagging interest of the perennial left wing punditry who seem more enthused about criticizing the party and its principles than in addressing the criminals, in being effective, in real world reporting in the US media vacuum.

The voting situation must be fixed. It will be deflected by the inertial energy of the US institutions(all of them). The party must be fixed and its own inertia of navel gazing without real world accountability or consequences is likewise resistant. The left wing must be focused on the job, not the point parsing and the expectation of education or a messiah, or the self destruction of the RW to make life suddenly easier all by itself.

Nothing has changed since November 2nd. The change that IS expected is deterioration of our will and interests, of the advance through crises of its own manufacture of the RW strangulation of America.
It would be nice if Kerry HAD some prior plan or strategy as highly unlikely as that would appear to be.Otherwise this political incompetence has proven very deadly to the nation much less the party. All these deaths ongoing can be laid at the door of poor campaign and ideological planners. Not as perps but as simple failures.