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Tue Dec-28-04 12:33 AM
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Holiday Visits: What Did Everyone Learn About Awareness of Fraud? |
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Edited on Tue Dec-28-04 12:41 AM by smartvoter
I was shocked to learn that some of the relatives I don't see often had been keeping up enough on things to believe something went wrong. One of them, when we were talking about some of the problems in Ohio, blurted out, "How long have we known that it was going to come down to Ohio and Florida? You don't need a national conspiracy to rig the election. Just a Katherine Harris in charge."
In my gathering, nearly everyone was either of the mindset that fraud happened or at least that it was possible. None of them liked the way Ohio played out during the recount. They said the same thing we have been saying here -- you don't act like that when you've got nothing to hide.
Did anyone else have an experience like this?
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Tue Dec-28-04 12:35 AM
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1. My only local relative is a cousin |
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Edited on Tue Dec-28-04 12:36 AM by Warpy
and she's all too aware that the NM election was crooked.
I think most people suspect that Bush lost but that the RNC cheated like mad because they wanted this state so badly. Even the right wing paper reported that one judge was disqualifying all provisional ballots for Kerry and approving all the ones for Bush.
So yes, it's out there, just below the surface and seething.
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Tue Dec-28-04 12:36 AM
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2. No- they are all Democrats but they are sick of hearing it from me |
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and they were not the least bit interested - they were annoyed. Democracy is annoying.
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Tue Dec-28-04 12:45 AM
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6. I holiday'd with Republicans! |
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Edited on Tue Dec-28-04 12:46 AM by TwoSparkles
My husband is the youngest of 13 children. His family is 3/4 religious conservatives and 1/4 flaming liberals.
Someone brought up the Vietnam War and I said, "Well, the current mess we're in, in Iraq, makes Vietnam look like a picnic."
A huge debate ensued, and turned into a screaming match. This huge family was screaming at each other and it got pretty heated.
Unfortunately, I had to leave when things got interesting, because our kids fell asleep and we had to load them into the car--when the screaming got louder.
When I left, everyone was still yelling. The last thing I heard was, "Oh yeah! Well, a decisive leader in the White House is much better than some flip-flopping wimp!" As we were walking out the door, my husband shouted back, "Which wimp are you talking about? The one who gunned his boat up on an embankment, then ran a guy down and shot him and killed him? Is that the wimp you're talking about? Or are you talking about the wimp who vacationed on a pile of cocaine in Alabama while Vietnam was going on?"
(I love my husband!)
No talk about election fraud though! Just a room full of 40 people screaming at each other!
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Tue Dec-28-04 12:47 AM
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8. Give your husband a high-five for me, and whoever else wants in!!! nt |
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Tue Dec-28-04 01:10 AM
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14. Well, the Iraq occupation really is more worth screaming about now. |
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Tue Dec-28-04 01:21 AM
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17. I love your husband too! |
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To quote Two Sparkles:
When I left, everyone was still yelling. The last thing I heard was, "Oh yeah! Well, a decisive leader in the White House is much better than some flip-flopping wimp!" As we were walking out the door, my husband shouted back, "Which wimp are you talking about? The one who gunned his boat up on an embankment, then ran a guy down and shot him and killed him? Is that the wimp you're talking about? Or are you talking about the wimp who vacationed on a pile of cocaine in Alabama while Vietnam was going on?"
(I love my husband!)
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Thanks for that! It's a great story!
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Tue Dec-28-04 12:38 AM
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and I'm not allowed to talk politics with them.
Honestly, this time I was fine with that pathetic rule. I had a nice time just visiting. Although I did get in some good Walmart and Religion stuff while sidestepping the politics of those issues.
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Tue Dec-28-04 01:05 AM
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13. Same here -- my husband & I were the sole Democrats |
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& stayed off the subject.
And speaking of Wal-Mart, you'll appreciate this short story regarding our Christmas get-together:
My sister bought a Bingo game at Wal-Mart, along with a number of inexpensive items for prizes, to play that night. As the game progressed, we realized that there were NO "B's" included in the game, plus a lot of the "I's" were missing. In effect, we were playing "Ingo". :wow:
Goes to show you what can happen when products are made by non-English speaking manufacturers. :hurts:
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Tue Dec-28-04 12:39 AM
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4. Some family is on DU & knows about it, some others |
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didn't know and were happy when I explained that people ARE WORKING on it. One thinks we're nuts, but will be happy enough if it is brought to light.
We are in California.
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Tue Dec-28-04 12:39 AM
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5. "I hate to tell you this, but the election's over." |
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Tue Dec-28-04 12:49 AM
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"With that attitude, I hate to tell you this, but democracy may be over with, as well."?
I always try to steer it away from the politics of Kerry vs. * and more toward "is our votes being counted?" (to borrow from *'s long list of misspeaks).
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Tue Dec-28-04 12:45 AM
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7. Ha! I thought this would be a positive experience thread. nt |
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Tue Dec-28-04 12:47 AM
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9. Can you bring us all to your family's for Easter? |
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All my people are blue through and through but not one has the brain space to retain any info on the Election - they've all "moved on".
To them I've become lovably eccentric.
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Tue Dec-28-04 12:52 AM
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11. My landlord was happy to hear about stolen election though she told |
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me that her and her friends already felt that way, just needed to hear it from someone with a little knowledge on what is going on, now she is spreading the word about it. She loves to talk anyway, just more for her to talk about now.
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Tue Dec-28-04 12:58 AM
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12. Hey! Another good one!!! nt |
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Tue Dec-28-04 01:18 AM
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15. I had Christmas Dinner with a married couple and their college kids |
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from Maine - family of the friend who hosted.
They were as livid as I was -- here we were, total strangers, and by the end of dinner we were trying to figure out what caves we should all get ready to live in because everything is so fucked up.<G>
They knew a LOT, and they said it's only been in the past year or so that they've gotten politically active.
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Tue Dec-28-04 01:18 AM
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16. my relatives in Cincinati said that they hadn't heard anything about fraud |
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They said that there is no news about the election and didn't know anything about any of the lawsuits. Their only source of news is MSM and I guess the blackout has them in its clutches.
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Tue Dec-28-04 01:26 AM
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has "moved on".....ever since I told my sister that I find George Bush to be "morally reprehensible" we haven't talked politics!
My other, liberal sister thinks I'm kinda' nuts about this "conspiracy stuff", but my hubby hangs in there with me as does a good friend across the country in Oregon.
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Tue Dec-28-04 01:23 AM
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18. My family's Dem friend from Oklahoma came to town |
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and was VERY aware and almost defensive about FRAUD.
She was very reassured when we all kind of agreed with her. But we're all Dems at my house. :shrug:
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Tue Dec-28-04 01:37 AM
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20. Still counts. Plenty of Dems don't think there was fraud. nt |
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