With MaxineW as 1 Rep, and Kerry as 1 Sen.....what else is needed?

[KenCarson]

I mean, if Kerry won't stand up for himself at that point, this whole show is a lost cause. Why would you stand up for some one who won't do it for themselves? He'll stand up or he can forget any support at the nat'l level, I believe. But I think it's unlikely that the story won't have grown by then.

Opinions?

[Verve]

1. There needs to be a smoking gun. If Arnebeck's case moves into discovery

than smoking guns may start popping up all over the place. However, will this happen before Jan 6th? Hmmmmmm...

[bemis12]

2. As far as what else is needed

The answer is 50 more Senators and 217 more Repesentatives.

[saracat]

3. Kerry would look too biased were he to be the Senator.

It has to come from someone else. It would ruin the credibility of the argument and render it self serving.JMHO.

[KenCarson]

4. ok. point taken. but fight fire with fire. what * has done is all self

serving.

[saracat]

6. That is very true as well!

[ClassWarrior]

8. So JK proves he's better than Bush**...

...by being just as bad as him?

:crazy:

NGU.

[KenCarson]

10. he's not breaking the law

and if he had arranged for others to stand up after him, it could be very good....unless he has someone more suitable to make the first step....regardless, if he CAN and doesn't, that speaks volumes to me, since that is where it got stopped last time

[housewolf]

12. Respectfully disagree

The fact of the matter is, it IS self-serving in that the stakes could not possibly be higher. If it happens its going to be a down-and-out dirty fight and trying to maintain a high-ground will not serve us or Kerry well.

Imagine if the players were reversed. Would Bush use a surrogate to try to maintain his power? Nah.... everything would be done in his name (albeit he would use the necessary lawyers to represesnt him). They would use every tool available to them, regardless of how unethical it may be or seem, to remain in power. They have proven that already.

If it takes a Kerry to stand up in the senate, he should do it. If he doesn't... well, that will speak volumes about him. If there are others who will stand up for him in the senate and take the heat off him until a later battle, that's great. But if they won't then he should do it. The stakes for him and for the nation could not be higher.

[libertypirate]

5. Um the rest to look at the situation

and stand like americans with the two lone souls for truth, for honesty, and for the american way; for counting the fucking votes. Not have a machine do it for them we will win when "we the people" actually count the votes.

[k8conant]

7. But "If I am not for me, who will be for me?"...

"and if not now, when?"
---Hillel
Kerry should object.

Seriously, are we expecting this to be like a 3rd grade class election where one shouldn't vote for onself?

[gkhouston]

11. maybe the mixed messages from different lawyers are intentional...

so he CAN stand up on the 6th, and have it look like a challenge to a botched electoral process rather than a naked grab for the presidency. Not that I'd object to the naked grabbing... ;-)

Gina

[Der Blaue Engel]

9. It's not about him standing up for HIMSELF or anyone standing up for HIM

It's about standing up against fraud, for the voters who have had their right to choose their president stolen from them. So I don't care if he does or doesn't, as long as someone does.

[KenCarson]

13. he MUST IMO if he wants to have any nat'l hopes

....

[Der Blaue Engel]

15. ...for your vote.

:) But not necessarily for mine. I'm reserving judgment for a later date, as this unfolds. If Kerry doesn't contest, but then fights tooth and nail for reform to prevent further fraud and rein in this foul administration, he will still have my vote.

Incidentally, some people think Gore gave up too easily. I'd still have voted for him if he had run this year.

[saracat]

16. Sigh. Not me. But then I think we should have had a

revolution..:) I truly think Democracy died with that selection.

[burn the bush]

14. kerry won't do it. He's too concerned for his next election to put real

effort into this one. He's doing damned little about the ohio vote situation. Really only enough to make us think that he's doing something. What he has done, has been drug out of him.
I will not vote for him again.
I think Cobb is the way to go.

[saracat]

17. From another poster, I understand that Pat Leahy has replied that he will

NOT contest the election because Kerry has conceded. I hope others don't view concession as a request not to contest!