Why did Moss and Arnebeck shoot themself in the foot?

[Dancing_Dave]

And go after Ohio Chief Justice Moyer at the same time as going after Bush? Since the Ohio Supreme Court had to decide the case, that knocked their chance of success back to near zero WHATEVER evidence they may have had.

Their case would appear much less frivolous, had Kerry joined it, but why would he join a case that made such an outrageous error as going after the Judge from the get-go?

Obviously, we didn't have time to get this complex fraud and disenfranchizement case together properly before the electoral collage. But going off half-cocked like Arnebeck did only lowers our credibility. Now it's hard legal news that our shit don't fly.

We need to after Ohio Secretary of State Blackwell and perhaps some corruptable voting equipment firms for violations of numerous election laws, and take the time to do it right so we have real chance of getting some convictions. Ultimately, we should go after Karl Rove too...but understand THAT WILL TAKE YEARS, like Watergate, and ultimately only be able to succeed if Democrats get a hold Congress in 2006. That, in turn, will only happen if we continue to achieve reform at the state level, in state after state, to get this fraudulent voting technology removed and replaced. There's already been progress in states including California and New Jersey, we just need to keep on going.

There's definately a voting rights movement going on on the ground in Ohio and some other states now, with new information about the systems of fraud and disenfrachizement turning up all the time. It's a pity that the legal end of our efforts had to get off to such an embarassingly half-baked start.

[mordarlar]

1. Honestly, i would think it draws more attention to his actions...

if he had not been named in the suit and he threw it out i would have not payed as close attention as i did. Seems to name him gives him cause to watch himself very closely. Just my take.

[Straight Shooter]

3. That's plausible.

Moyer is corrupt. Arnebeck simply focused attention on him, for one thing.

I guess Arnebeck has finally hit the "claim to fame jackpot" on DU, considering all the threads which denigrate him. It's a shame. How I wish the Repubs had questioned Buckhead from Free Republic. He was an absolute a$$hole, but they all rallied around him, and sure enough, he got the job done of taking down Rather and saving their Lord Jeebers Bush. You've got to hand it to the Repubs, they wait for the verdict is in before they start accusing those within their ranks.

[berniew1]

2. They refiled the case without Moyer; but its clear Moyer should have recus

recused himself; I think he violated legal ethics and may be in trouble himself, if we had a legal system

[KaliTracy]

4. it wasn't a mistake

there were some very good threads about a week ago about this. Here's one http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=169811&mesg_id=169811

...too much is at stake for any of thes people to go around half-cocked.

[m.standridge]

6. It's good if it buys time to get some NUMBERS

coming in from Ohio--you know, what the news media calls "significant" numbers.
Enough in the way of numbers to turn the vote outcome in Ohio around, with more votes going to John Kerry than to George Bush.
What actual potential does that legal action have, to do that by January 6, 2005?
If it can do that, more power to it...

[GetTheRightVote]

5. I hope Moyer gets it in the end, and that justice and Arenback are on the

right track for all of us to continue the faith.

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