Moyer - I do not recuse myself in Moss v. Bush

[read the law first]

http://www.sconet.state.oh.us/rod/newpdf/0/2004/2004-ohio-7120.pdf


Ok, folks, have at him. Flame on.

[Jo March]

1. Moyer - I need contact information for him

He needs to hear from everyone!

Damn useless piece of crap! (Forgive me but I am angry.)

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[Pacifist Patriot]

3. Shocking, simply shocking.

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[berniew1]

11. likely unethical and probably should result in disbarment.

Some of the evidence clearly involved and affected Moyer's race.

[LiberalHeart]

4. I'm the one who'll get flamed -- because....

...I think he's correct. This is not the case that involves him, so why shouldn't he do his job?

[sepia_steel]

5. because he's really

fucking biased, and cares nothing for the law. How's that?

[me b zola]

6. RTL,

What are the legal and ethical guidelines involved with conflict of interest, or any other issues that would appear to make it improper to rule on a case.
The military uses a very broad interpretation of fraternization to include ANYTHING that would give the APPEARANCE of impropriety ie you can't go into business on your own time with a subordinate.

[read the law first]

9. Candidly, I haven't looked at Ohio, but this will cook your noodle.

Most states have bar complaints ruled on by, you guessed it, the state supreme court.:crazy:

[me b zola]

10. I am familiar, in general, with how professional boards

govern their own. Surely State Supreme Court Justices are not beyond the grasp of the bar. Am I being too optimistic to believe (hope) that there is a system of checks & balances within the bar so that those at the highest levels of the state judiciary are accountable to someone?

[read the law first]

12. Primarily to the voters.

Of course, if they run a red light, they're accountable to the police, etc. but traditionally (with very rare exceptions)judges are given the right to decide whether or not they are biased. Otherwise, how would you crawl into the head of a justice to determine this and even if you could would it be a scary place?

[me b zola]

13. ahh, therein lies the catch 22

As in so many other issues concerning the players in the election fraud, they are accountable mostly to the voters. Since they have corrupted the vote, and elections are now mostly meaningless, we have lost all ability to hold any one accountable. Sorry for my run-on sentence.

Well, there is the justice that American history has taught us that is not only an option, but a responsibility.

BTW, as an attorney who practices election law, how do these recent events make you feel??

[read the law first]

16. Like we still got a whole lot of work to get this straightened out.

Standard disclaimer about general discussion and not legal advice and not representing any person or entity incorporated by reference as if set forth verbatim.



Plus I'm a big, big proponent of computerized voting BUT a big, big proponent of printed receipts that go into a locked ballot box after being reviewed by the voter.

There's a lot of things that people get really worked up about that are just matter of fact to me (and that's bad for me because it means I've become too hardened for how the system could work better). But for example, one of my earliest memories of any election was taking people sodas and potato chips in line at midnight trying to keep them from leaving and going home. This was in 1980 and as you'll remember that was a close election. So that was five hours after the polls closed. So, in 24 years, we've still got people standing in line for five and six hours. That doesn't upset me because it's something that I've seen for 24 years, but God bless the folks that it does upset so that we finally can do something about it.

The bottom line is that if this was a 500 vote margin like Florida, I think that it could be proven that there were 500 illegal votes or unlawful ballots in Ohio. But, regretfully, in my heart of hearts, 116,000 votes is a big margin and it's going to take something big that has not come to light yet (and it still might) to get over that hill. Note: Hill, not mountain. The eternal optimist.

It's a tough row to hoe but not impossible. But it's going to require more than what's been posted (and that's not to say that it's not out there). If the conspiracy is as big as it's got to be to meet the allegations of what it's done certainly there would be somebody to crack somewhere.

[me b zola]

19. But when fraud occurs, and there is no transparency to

shine a light on it, AND all of the systems of checks and balances seems to have been corrupted--at the very least seems to have given the appearance of impropriety, then from what do we demand justice?

Some say there is no such thing as a perfect crime, I would like to believe that. This may be one of the 'great' crimes that will not be revealed for many years until someone, on their death bed, decides that they need to 'fess-up before meeting their Maker.

Mom used to say that everything comes out in the wash. I have found much wisdom in her words. I just don't know how much more abuse America can withstand if we do not act to protect her from such perversion.

[libertypirate]

7. They are either setting him up...

or are some of the worst lawers I have ever seen.

I will put my money on setting him up.

Remember he is dismissing because the documents did not fit into the box he expects, rather then they did not hold water.

Would there be a reason for the lawers to want this delayed?

[corbett]

8. Deliberately Delayed? No But It Doesn't Hurt

Remember, the US Constitution says that challenges in the states don't have to be complete by January 6 for Congress to start to set aside the results of the Electoral College. We truly remain just outside the starting block on the whole process. Once Triad starts to give testimony and the nation learns just how pervasive the fraud was, we'll see the January 20th inauguration postponed and then Kerry installed!

http://nashuaadvocate.blogspot.com/2004/12/analysis-election-2004-troublesome.html

Kick for Kerry!

[m.standridge]

14. This series of posts has truly run the gamut

on an intellectual and emotional level.
From cynicism to despair to fear to, at the end, hope, with some measure of seeming realism attached to that hope. If it is the depositions that are key, Moyers may not be the ultimate issue.

In other words, does Moyers's action or inaction have much impact here? In the case of taking the depositions of the Triad people and the others, and entering the under-oath written docs and statements from the county elections officials and voters, it seems we'll be hearing from them in a dramatic setting.

Fitrakis pointed out, in a Free Press posting yesterday, that the MSM has tried to make it out that the OHIO electoral process is seen over by 'bipartisan" councils at various levels.
But, those members, he says, are not always really Democrats and Repubs. both. Sometimes, they are pseudo-Democrats, who owe their positions to Blackwell and seem to act under duress.

So their "protection" of the election, may not have been there.
But, even if it was, if the computer companies are sending people in to do these kinds of things, as noted in the affidavits, this is a separate issue entirely. This kind of thing, could have gone on in several states. I wonder about some other close states, for example, NM and NV and IA. Has anyone had any under-oath statements from any county officials in those states, as to computer people coming in and doing these outrageous things alleged in OH?

[Doctor O]

15. Actually he said both. They did not fit in the box, nor did they hold

water.

[OKthatsIT]

17. Let him cook his own goose

Triad testimony will force him to rule, in public, base on the undeniable evidence of fowl play.

I know everyone is still set on Kerry taking the helm..but what happens in Ohio, FL and NM will effect all elections to come. Slowly wittling away any opposition to Rep/Dominionists. I can't imagine Dem Congress not getting the full scope of what this means. I can't imagine they'd want to throw their fate to the wind like that, knowing these reps will decide what Dems will be allowed to win an election in the future.

[The Judged]

18. Fruit of the poison tree: Moyers initial order to separate cases = COI

coi = conflict of interest

Everything that occurs as a result of this decision is fruit of the poison tree.