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libertypirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 05:27 PM
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People we have the power to change this…
We no longer need to be afraid of being ridiculed. We don’t have to be afraid we won’t find proof. We have been through that already. We don’t need to wait for anyone else to declare the truth incorrectly before we have to defend ourselves. It is not the media’s freedom of speech it is our freedom of speech, and we should start using it now to declare the truth.

If we don’t stop waiting for the media to answer our prayers they will never be answered. Tell anyone who will listen. Let them know you don’t have all the answers, but you can’t image how all these things happen and the media stays silent. Tell them that you are not the enemy of their democracy and that you hope you are wrong, but that for the sake of your children there are questions that need answers. If they are honest with the facts, the truth will stand on it’s own. The people have been silenced and unless they allow you the opportunity to give them information on this fraud they will never know it happened.

If you do the American people one favor it’s this when a conservative “ditto-monkey” tries to dismiss your points, look them square in the eye and tell them to stop bullshitting you (It works better if you looked pissed)! Tell them you have read the facts and they need to start looking at the sources of their of information. Scrutinize them! Have you read anything from AP lately? No fucking sources. It’s all bullshit; they know it and they won’t fight you on the facts hand them to them.

I started yesterday on some conservatives at work; I asked them if they would allow me the opportunity to prove that the possibility exists the election was stolen. They accepted I gave them the some information and asked them to read it. I handed them the Conyers Letter to Blackwell with all the questions, and hand them Conyers 12-13 statement, and told them Blackwell the Ohio SOS refuses to answer the questions. And I told them I hope I am wrong, but I would rather be a fool in the face of the public then a coward who could have done something in silence. This is not about Kerry this is about too much coincidence to write all of it off as simple coincidence. Assure them it is not simple.

If they won’t listen or refuse there are more fish in the sea, keep moving, keep talking, and keep standing up for your right to tell the truth. This is America start acting like it!
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 05:33 PM
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1. Great post!
But honestly...I think we are hitting that media wall. Without teevee cameras and news coverage, protests are just a bunch of hippies with placards. The MSM will not be covering our complaints and our protests. I fear January 6th will come and go largely unnoticed (even IF people show up).

This is America...we were able to draw out protestors to fight to replace a bird's nest in Manhattan. But fighting for our very way of life, our democracy...eh, too busy.

:(

And I so hope I am wrong on this one.
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 05:40 PM
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2. you got it wrong --the MSM black out is symbolic of Support for Bush
By going into the streets and protesting there is free PR. By marching on CBS in NYC--we may force the issue--the day you see the black out lifted (by Jan. 6th) is the day the fight is over--John Kerry will be sworn in on the 20th.
Dont obsess on the MSM black out--it is a symptom--not the sickness.
roger@51capitalmarch.com
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 05:43 PM
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4. Nobody here has it wrong FR. They may have a different idea
and/or way to go about it than you do, but its ALL the same goal.

We are all in this together.

Try to keep that in mind.
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 05:48 PM
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6. Pardon me----
dont fret about the MSM coverage--that is not the prob. it is the symptom.
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libertypirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 05:50 PM
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7. It is a symptom
that is part of the problem...
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 05:54 PM
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8. I've given up on the MSM
For some time now, I thought the MSM would "come around" and start acting like the free press and Fourth Estate they once were, but no more. The Internet is the new medium for disseminating news and information, and I imagine one day it will thrive alongside the MSM. I hope it will even surpass the MSM and become the true "Fourth Estate" and advance every notion of a "free press" in America.

Now, I'm off to watch a Jimmy Stewart movie...
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 01:07 PM
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23. The Internet certainly fits the "Fourth Estate" and what Jefferson had in
mind for a free press better than the corporate media. I picture Tom Paine looking at the blogosphere and smiling. Big.
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libertypirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 02:46 PM
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25. Me Too...
We own this freedom and they can't stop the truth. Although the press is not free to speak we still are!

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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 06:10 PM
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12. I understand the problem
Edited on Wed Dec-29-04 06:13 PM by Atman
But I think I also understand mob psycology and marketing. MOST Americans, I would bet money on it, feel the press, or "MSM" as we like to call them, are doing a decent job of keeping them informed. Fox viewers swear Fox is telling them the truth. Rush listeners swear Rush is only telling the truth. MOST viewers still get their news from NETWORKS, not even CNN or Fox or MSNBC, and most viewers still believe they are being told the news.

When the news doesn't cover something as huge as a stolen election, then it is US who are labeled the loonies. You start to explain, and in order to do so you must start pulling on all these tangential threads...the media is in it because BushCo supports them; Fox is backed by the GOP; NBC is owned by GE, a defense contractor. Suuuurrre. You'll get that "he's fucking looney" look. It is almost impossible to have this discussion with someone casually. You need to be able to show them your sources, something they deem "credibe." Unfortunately, most Americans deems the nightly news "credible." So then tell them you are getting your information off the internet, and see how funny they look at you.

My point is, The Karl Rove division of BushCo knows all this. Rove is a master manipulator. He knows the issues like gays and religion that will push buttons. And he knows most Americans trust the broadcast news.

As a reminder of what we're up against, here is a re-post from earlier today...

---

"In 2000, when Karl Rove called General Electric Chairman Jack Welch to guarantee that a Bush Administration would be extremely generous to media conglomerates that were sympathetic to the Texas governor’s presidential campaign, it was a notable moment in history. If only this once, Rove wasn’t lying.

Since taking office, George W. Bush has lavished spectacular taxpayer funded largesse on the corporate media that made excuses for his inadequacies, overlooked his corruption, shielded him from scandal, and escorted him into the White House. It has been a squalid quid pro quo that has gone largely unexamined, because those whose job it is to report on such corruption are too busy benefiting from it.

The payoff began immediately. Two days after he was inaugurated, Bush appointed industry puppet Michael Powell to head the Federal Communications Commission. The media conglomerates were thrilled. The New York Times editorialized about Powell’s virtues, as did the Washington Post. They knew that, as an FCC commissioner, Powell had supported every media mega merger without ever voicing any concern about the consequences to the consumer. They knew that he had stated that the government should not protect the public interest against media conglomerate excesses because he had “no idea what the public interest is”.

They knew that Powell advocated total deregulation of the airwaves, meaning a transfer in ownership from the public to the multinational corporations that currently need licenses in order to broadcast. They knew that he opposed any rules to restrict media monopolies. They knew that the son of Colin Powell was so brazenly unethical that he had failed to recuse himself from considering the anti-trust implications of the AOL/Time Warner deal, despite the fact that his father was on AOL’s board of directors."


The Payoff

-----


So, the point isn't that I don't understand, it is that I understand all too well. I have suggested other ways to make an impact the media will be FORCED to show, such as infiltrating Katie Couric's sidewalk crowds on the Today; standing outside the studio windows of CNN and Today when they are on live...can you imagine a big CNN IS LYING TO YOU! banner behind Bill Hummer's head when he is trying to verbally suck off Bush again? THAT will have impact. Protest, sure, but do it where they are FORCED to cover it. Disruption. Civil disobedience. Another march, this time when the media has already declared BushCo the winner and has kept completely silent on this?

America will say *Yawn* "there go the left wing loonies again."
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libertypirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 06:47 PM
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14. You don't win by pushing the
truth down their throats.

I am sure Karl is a smart guy, but he can't control better judgment... When you tell them you hope you are wrong, they have nowhere to go. If you have the sanity to know you could be wrong they won't fight you.

Take an AP article and take one written by Fitrakis and show them the difference between conjecture and honest reporting.

Don't tell them they are wrong, tell them no one is wrong for not knowing something they are wrong only if they read the facts and conclude the facts have no merit, is their country worth at least that?

We already have the tools to do this, we just need the BALLS.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 01:07 PM
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24. Tell me, why do you call them the "MSM"...
Edited on Thu Dec-30-04 01:10 PM by ClassWarrior
...when there's NOTHING "mainstream" about their agenda of power and greed? Why not call them what they are: The Corporate Media.

NGU.


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libertypirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 05:45 PM
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5. Tell it to their face...
Don't protest, save that for special days like the 3rd and the 6th. Each one of us talks to people everyday we don't need each other to make a point. We need a clear dialog, the media won't show up we don't need their filter anyways, go direct folks. Make sure you tell them you hope you are crazy and the coincidences are too frequent to not look into this!

Some already consider us fucking loons. That is why we must confront Americans directly with the truth. This story is contagious and people once you crack the door will pass through the door without your help. Just get them to understand the questions and they will see they aren’t answered yet.
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 05:40 PM
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3. This is terrific Pirate. Always could use refuelling***
Especially this week.

Thanks, will pass this on and will continue to carry the message!
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 05:56 PM
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9. What did they say after they read the info you gave them?
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libertypirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 06:03 PM
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11. That is their problem....
Edited on Wed Dec-29-04 06:24 PM by libertypirate
I offered to be wrong, it is their choice to prove I am...

They can't do that until they read what I have given them...

I am only one source I hope one of you is in their family/friend and sends an email to back me up...

It's we not I that makes this work.
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 07:26 PM
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16. So they haven't read it yet...would be interesting to see what they
say if they read. I am doing same kinds of things with people I know. Conyers letters have a lot of credibility. Hard for them to argue with that on House Judiciary letterhead. I am very glad to have his work.
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libertypirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 07:30 PM
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17. The point is to get them open to the...
possibility.

Once they see there was fraud in this election or simply the possibility, it's a domino effect they won't continue to shut out the idea.

Human bullshit 101, get them comfortable with it first.

I will let you know...
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GetTheRightVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 05:57 PM
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10. Thank you for the posting, it is key to keep it in their faces so that
they have to think about it as well, not bury their faces in the sand like so many Americans like to do.

:kick:
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corbett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 06:22 PM
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13. Good For You - Way To Hit The Nail On The Head
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 07:06 PM
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15. Bravo.
Edited on Wed Dec-29-04 07:15 PM by sfexpat2000
libertypirate, last night Will Pitt was trying to suggest that this is a good time to be alive. The subtext to his post seemed to be, because we understand the challenge, we're over our fear, nothing will stop us on the way to reclaim our country.

And you're very right about confronting b#llshit, aka, common knowledge. We've to listen carefully to the charges. And take their words back to them, to their logical conclusion.

"The election is over. Get OVER it!"
Well,no. It's not over. The elections process . . .

So, you're right, no more Mr/z Nice Guy. We have a Constitution that in other words could be called "the rules".

Let's follow the rules, where they take us. And I believe, if we do, if we stand up and insist upon the rules, we will sort this out. We will get election reform, and jail sentences for war criminals and this government will remember, they represent US. Their power, pensions and private sector perks, derive from US.

Never forget that. Don't let ANYONE talk you out of it. They can rig the elections but they can't rig the Constitution unless we roll over for it.

Anyone feel like a good roll today?

Well done,
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kitkat65 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 07:34 PM
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18. I think we should show our dissent by writing
"contest the Ohio vote" on a $1 bill and ask three other like-minded people to do the same and have them ask three people and so on.

Get those bills circulating out there and they'll find out how many of us "kooks" are really out there.
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mordarlar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 07:52 PM
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19. We took the Red Pill... Time to break others out of the Matrix. : )
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libertypirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 09:52 AM
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21. I had similar thoughts...
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 12:00 AM
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20. Beautiful!
If you even change one mind, it is well worth it.:toast:
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 12:28 PM
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22. This the revolution of which I speak! Every repulsive I have
talked to says if bushitler didn't win they wouldn't want him in!
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