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bearfan454 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 10:14 AM
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Ignorance is a very powerful tool
The MSM fuels it too. A lot of people still think Iraq was responsible for 9-11. A lot of people still think bush is on their side, and these are people that don't make that much money. I know a lot of these ignorant people. A large majority of people think the Patriot Act makes them safer. A lot of people think bush didn't cheat in Ohio. Ignorance is a very powerful tool.
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bmoney07 Donating Member (304 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 10:17 AM
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1. Ignorance is what is controlling our country - very sad, the founding
fathers of this country would cry.
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SHRED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 10:18 AM
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2. Always has been
Ignorance coupled with emotionalism = sheep.
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 10:19 AM
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3. Ignorance isn't a tool
Ignorance is a result.

Education is a tool.

So is Bush, but that's a different kind of "tool."

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NotBannedYet.US
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 10:23 AM
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4. Ignorance is a state-of-mind, not a tool, IMO
Ironically, ignorance is the exact opposite of what our brains were designed for, that being intuitive and critical thought, scenario emulation and analysis and communication.

Ignorance is the antithesis of those constructs.

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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 10:28 AM
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5. if ignorance is bliss then the Public School System is Paradise for the
Edited on Thu Dec-30-04 10:28 AM by sam sarrha
RepugNuts.
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libertypirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 10:30 AM
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6. ignorance is not the problem...
Edited on Thu Dec-30-04 10:33 AM by libertypirate
It is perception of who is telling the truth.

We can change this by offering people who don't see the truth, the opportunity that you are wrong. Oh they just can't resist, point them to

http://www.house.gov/judiciary_democrats/

and set them FREE!

I tell people constantly I hope for all our sake I am wrong, but I am pretty sure that I am not.

Oh the repukes can't resist the temptation to prove you wrong.

They will try and quote an AP news item, ask them to show you the sourcing... Then show them yours! Fuck Rove, it's only voodoo magic, it's not real it's not the truth and we can prove it.
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righteous1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 10:40 AM
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7. Just because people have a different
opinion on any given set of subjects than you doesn't make them ignorant, but that sort of thought process does make you egocentric. Two fully informed people can look at the exact same set of facts and come to opposing conclusions. That's the nature of intellectual diversity. Pigeon holing people who disagree with you into neat little sterotypes is usually an indication of a weak argument and a lazy mind.
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 10:48 AM
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8. Differing opinions and ignorance are NOT the same thing
People who think Saddam were involved in 9/11 do NOT have a "different opinion." They are ignorant of the facts.

People who think Bush's "Clear Skies Initiative" actually will help clear the skies do NOT have a "different opinion." They are ignorant of the facts.

I could go on for days. I resent the tone of your post...you make a valid point, in the broadest, most general sense. But you completely missed the fine point.
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bearfan454 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 10:56 AM
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9. Exactly. n/t
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righteous1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 11:02 AM
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11. You make my point perfectly
Edited on Thu Dec-30-04 11:10 AM by righteous1
Now you are insinuating that I am ignorant "missed my fine point". I understand your point completely, I just happen to vehemently disagree with it. ie: There are several documents that have surfaced showing funding from the Saddam regime to people with direct ties to Al Qaeda. Personally I don't believe any of it, but I could see how a clear thinking individual might. There are some just plain ignorant people out there, but a large majority of people who hold different opinions than you are well educated and informed people who see things differently. To demean them with elitist rhetoric is to demean yourself. It's the "How could anyone know what I know and think differently than me" mentality that is both intellectually dishonest and ultimately self defeating.
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 02:41 PM
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15. "Some reports"...
Why don't you believe the reports about Saddam/Al-Q?

Because you (new word!) "un-ignorantized" yourself!

Well educated and well-informed people AREN'T if they don't have the info upon which you figured the Saddam/Al-Q scam.

But I agree, let's not call them ignorant. Let's encourage them to review ALL the relevant material and come to a conclusion.

On my better days, I don't educate people, I ask them questions and let them do their homework. That's much better than them just aping my conclusion.
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 11:01 AM
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10. we have been brainwashed into thinking with a circular Apriori System..
the system does not work in the real world but the failures are automatically blamed on external causes.. the Liberal/gay/commie/unpatriotic/agendas.. never on the system of thought that actually caused it.. Apriorism is a form of mass mental illness... they still believe that Reaganomics is the Best system but NOTHING has ever trickled down but more poverty for the poor and the destruction of the middle class and more riches for the rich and more power for those who use it wrongly.

remember when they used to kidnap relatives from religious cults and "deprogram" them.. that is what apriori loops are all about.. it is a form of pathogenic mental illness.. you can not communicate with them, you can not reason with them.. because if you try you become the problem, the Rebel/insurgent/Pinko/Gay agenda/one of those people/nigger lover/liberal..

research shows that the only way to break the cycle is through Art, Music, repetitious exercise and Meditation. how many of those are removed from our schools.. and replaced with a violent sport that makes the school money and does not provide workers comp for the 20% of the players of public school football that are injured for life playing the game so the school can make money off them..??
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libertypirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 11:40 AM
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12. The problem is not a differing opinion....
It's a totally skewed view of the facts, with a predetermined outcome.

Two fully informed people can look at the exact same set of facts and come to opposing conclusions.
This is bullshit, they can come to two different conclusions on how to solve a particular problem, but in America the facts should speak for themselves. This only gives people room and reason to be wrong; it is the building block to a divided nation.

People are rejecting the facts that fail to support their point of view, because they automatically set to believe they are right and others are wrong.

I don't reject the idea that I might be wrong, they can't fight me if I leave that door open.
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Acryliccalico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 12:07 PM
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13. Let them keep trying to prove us wrong
It might just open their eyes. The more you research something and challenge it the more you learn the truth about things. So let them keep trying :kick:
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libertypirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 02:31 PM
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14. Offer to be wrong....
and set them up to be wrong.... We are the ones with the proof scattered around the Internet.

We have proof
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euler Donating Member (515 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 02:52 PM
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17. Where the hell is it ?
I've only been here a few days, but I've seen no proof. :headbang:
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libertypirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 06:02 PM
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18. Oh....
there is no easy way out.
Start Here:

http://www.house.gov/judiciary_democrats/index.html
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-04 09:18 AM
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19. Thats what i said.............
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roenyc Donating Member (824 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 02:47 PM
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16. Ignorance is Strength
it is a tool of fascism.
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