Voter suppression and official malfeasance in S. Florida counties

[berniew1]

Widespread voter suppression and malfeasance in Palm Beach, Broward, and Dade counties; and lesser degree in other touchscreen counties

http://flcv.com/palmbeao.html
http://flcv.com/browardo.html
http://flcv.com/dadeo.html
http://flcv.com/tsother.html
www.voteprotect.org Florida
www.votersunite.org Florida

(these come from limited search for machine problems only)
(small fraction of total EIRS reports for these counties which were in the thousands)

[berniew1]

1. Vote machine fraud in big Florida touchscreen counties documented

http://www.flcv.com/fraudpat.html

[Goldeneye]

2. What does it take to prove the election was stolen?

What does it take to prove the machines were set to default to Bush? To prove they were hackable? To prove voters were suppressed? To prove that democratic registration cards were thrown away? That Ken Blackwell was in a duel role as Ohio SOS and Bush/Cheney Party chair? That they stole the 2000 election? That some of the machines have no f-ing paper trail? That the companies who count most of our votes are owned by right-wing brothers, one of whom pledged to help deliver Ohio's electoral votes to Bush? To prove the exit polls were as accurate as they've been in the past? To prove that all these things didn't favor Bush by chance? To prove that democracy is at stake? What does it take?

[KaryninMiami]

3. Perhaps millions of us taking to the streets? I wish I knew the answer...

I'm with you and my heart is filled with the same rage that you feel and have expressed here. 1 in 20 Americans believe it was rigged- that's a pretty big number considering there's been so little MSM coverage. I wish I knew what we could do- and do it fast, before we have to endure 4 more years of this nightmare administration who are clearly determined to undermine all that America stands for.

[sandnsea]

4. Two separate issues there

That's the problem. People keep throwing everything into one big pot and wondering why the rest of the country just sees mush.

A. Things that actually happened

What does it take to prove the machines were set to default to Bush? To prove voters were suppressed?
To prove that democratic registration cards were thrown away?

To which I can add, machine tabulation errors, broken machines, etc.

B. Speculative things, with no proof of wrongdoing connected to them

To prove they were hackable?
That some of the machines have no f-ing paper trail?
That the companies who count most of our votes are owned by right-wing brothers, one of whom pledged to help deliver Ohio's electoral votes to Bush?
To prove the exit polls were as accurate as they've been in the past?
That Ken Blackwell was in a duel role as Ohio SOS and Bush/Cheney Party chair?
That they stole the 2000 election?

As long as people focus on things that have no evidence of fraud connected with them, we'll never be able to get the country to focus on what can be proven. The machines are hackable? Yep, but there's no proof they actually were. There is proof of numerous mysterious malfunctions though. I just don't understand why the focus doesn't stay on the known instead of the speculative unknown. It's how we lose every time. It's how F9/11 was discredited. I just don't know what it will take for folks to learn the difference between fact and suspicion.

[Goldeneye]

5. You make a good point,

and I have little to say for myself except it was an early morning desperation rant. I think the point I was trying to make is that we do have documentation of numerous things that are attributable to fraud, as well as all the speculative things that I listed. Cumulatively the information we have seems to point to fraud. But it seems like no matter what we have on the table, its not going to be enough to convince people there was fraud. Again this was an early morning rant and I appreciate that you responded.:)

[berniew1]

6. The fraud is obvious here; similar to Ohio & New Mexico where

they have affidavits, etc. But Florida had more documentation of touchscreen fraud than Ohio. The difference is there it was followed up on and affidavits obtained. They could be easily in Florida. The problem is documented to the precinct and machine level by the EIRS data. Its not speculative at all. It was confirmed by poll workers, who were getting requests for help all day from votes experiencing the problems. Whats strange to me is that when everyone knows that widespread fraud occurred, no one bothers to follow up. Seems the system is so corrupt they just expect and tolerate widespread fraud.
I don't see the point in having "elections" under these circumstances.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

7. "throwing everything into one pot & the rest of the country sees only mush

This is true. We have been absorbing so much data, piece by piece, over the last 8 weeks, that it is overwhelming even to us (at least to me). But the "masses" have hardly heard any of what we know. When a member of the mass says something to me like "But if Kerry thought he had won, he wouldn't have conceded", I find it difficult to know where to begin to clue them in, and which particular pieces of evidence to present to them. I need to create a list of the most powerful examples of fraud, disenfranchisement, and illegalities that we know of. And it has to be worded simply and concisely so that they can absorb it all quickly before their eyes glaze over...