No Holiday for Vote Thieves - great article here

[cyberpj]

No holiday for vote thieves
by Glen Ford and Peter Gamble, publishers of BlackCommentator.com

The dean of the Congressional Black Caucus is confident that at least a few U.S. senators will join House members on Jan. 6 to question the fairness of the Nov. 2 election. John Conyers Jr., the ranking Democrat on the House Judiciary Committee, told Salon.com he doesn’t believe the Senate will repeat its performance of four years ago, when Black lawmakers sought in vain for one senatorial objection to “official misconduct, deliberate fraud and an attempt to suppress voter turnout by unlawful means” in Florida, as Congressman Alcee Hastings, D-Fla., put it at the time.

“No, I think the Senate is going to go along with an inquiry this time,” said Conyers. “I don't think they would embarrass themselves to let this happen two times in a row … I just don't think the Senate would get caught in that position.” Conyers is careful not to name names, claiming he hasn’t spoken directly to a single senator, but adding, “There are Republicans who support what I'm doing who haven't been willing to come forward.”

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[Jo March]

1. He hasn't spoken directly to a single senator?

Eeek. That doesn't make me feel too good.

I have faith in him and what he believes but that sentence almost made my heart stop.

[cyberpj]

4. Read again, with a lawyers eye -

"Conyers is careful not to name names, claiming he hasn’t spoken directly to a single senator"

Hasn't spoken directly to......

Wide open for interpretation.

Emails
Phone calls to staffers
Letters
Voicemail

Whatever.......

[Jo March]

6. Ah! Okay, I'll freely admit that I am not a lawyer! :)

I read it with all of the panic and hope and fear and hope and anger that I've been feeling.

Thanks for calming me down by pointing out the obvious. :)

[cyberpj]

10. Me neither, just an Aquarian

Evidently they tend to analyze all things to death.:freak:

[rabid_nerd]

11. or he has spoken directly to

multiple senators, lol

[cyberpj]

17. good one!

I missed that one!

:toast:

[Chimpanzee]

20. Maybe he's only spoken to married senators!

[area51]

21. lol (n/t)

[MsConduct]

2. Great article, thanks. Now we just have to hope that Conyers isn't

just wishful thinking like the rest of us.

[Laughing Mirror]

3. Thank you cyberpj for reposting this

I first posted this in this forum on Dec 25 and nobody read it. I hope they do this time.

[cyberpj]

5. sorry - a quick search on article title didn't give me anything -

I thought it was dated 12/29 -- perhaps it's just showing up on the 12/29 home page.

Oh well - try, try again.......

xox

[Laughing Mirror]

7. Don't be sorry, au contraire

Everybody should be grateful to you for bringing back this excellent analysis. It's a long read though. I guess people were so busy with Christmas to take the time to read it carefully.

Thanks again for posting it. I'll try to help keep it kicked. Hope lots of people read and comment.

:hi:

[cyberpj]

8. I especially like this part -

Thousands of perps

The “dozens of problems” of which Rep. Conyers speaks are actually hundreds of specific criminal offenses involving perhaps thousands of persons acting with large or small groups of others in Ohio and Florida alone. Investigators should view the legions of co-conspirators in Republican election crimes – some casual or even unwilling, others purely mercenary and politically unreliable – as assets, potential witnesses in a constellation of criminal conspiracies, any one of which might lead to the Mother Lode: the Bush inner circle.

[Laughing Mirror]

9. Yes and how the article very clearly takes on "conspiracies"

that even though "they occur every time a group of persons plans to commit criminal acts," the media twists the sense of the word to mean nutcase theories and in doing so discredits investigations into what actually is happening.

[Laughing Mirror]

12. National Voter Registration Act

973gg-10. Criminal Penalties

A person, including an election official, who in any election for Federal office, knowingly and willfully intimidates, threatens, or coerces, or attempts to intimidate, threaten, or coerce, any person for -

registering to vote, or voting, or attempting to register or vote;

urging or aiding any person to register to vote, to vote, or to attempt to register or vote; or

exercising any right under this subchapter; or

knowingly and willfully deprives, defrauds, or attempts to deprive or defraud the residents of a State of a fair and impartially conducted election process, by -

the procurement or submission of voter registration applications that are known by the person to be materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent under the laws of the State in which the election is held; or

the procurement, casting, or tabulation of ballots that are known by the person to be materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent under the laws of the State in which the election is held, shall be fined in accordance with Title 18 … or imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both.

[ecoalex]

13. The election law statues are ignored by the judges

Then appeals, then up the legal chain, getting jerked each time. With a rep judicial system, it's impossible, unless some have a conscious, which has been purged long ago, how the judges got appointed in the first place. Look at the bus* nominees for appeals court and you see he likes judges without any conscious.So much for morals, values, all code words for forget about it.

[lonestarnot]

15. Told everyone they have ALL THE MACHINERY

RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE!

[dogindia]

14. kick.

[cyberpj]

16. Posting another quote

:kick:To kick this

"Given the hostile backdrop, post-Nov. 2 protesters, investigators, litigators, agitators and fundraisers are nothing less than heroic. Although he would disagree with the notion, Rep. Conyers is acting as “our” Special Prosecutor, methodically laying the factual groundwork for future legal and political action while at the same time giving the “troops” a central focus around which to orbit."

[ecoalex]

18. Heroics doesn't cause justice in a skewed system

[buddysmellgood]

19. We should refere to Congressman Conyers as the "Independent Special

Prosecutor" and let the pukes get all worked up about it. good fun.