NEED TO BUST OUT OF OHIO

[garybeck]

The focus on Ohio is hampering the efforts to expose election fraud and put the right person in office.

Arnbeck's lawsuit is confined to Ohio. That means he can't investigate Diebold. It means Clint Curtis, Wendy Orange, and Bev Harris can't testify because their evidence is irrelevant to Ohio. It means he has to deal with a stacked Ohio Supreme Court. Every day they spend in OSC is a waste of time; they need to get to US Supreme Court before 1/6. Furthermore, if you read between the lines in Moss v Bush, they are not just saying they stole Ohio, they are saying they stole the presidency.


We should not be asking our senators to contest just the Ohio electors. We should be asking them to contest FL, NM, NV, PA, and other states who have questionable results. As with Arnebeck's suit, if we are trying to convince the senators there was fraudulent activity, we need to be able to reference Curtis, Orange, BBV, etc., not just things that went on in Ohio. If anything happens on 1/6 it would be bad if they only contested Ohio electors. they need to contest several so that the American people can realize what is really going on.

[hootinholler]

1. Absolutely...

Other than Congress is there a venue that would cover all the problem states?

-Hoot

[goclark]

2. Very good point - broader than Ohio nt

[KaryninMiami]

3. Agreed. Some of the blasters to Senators allow you to edit the text-

Perhaps we should now ask people to go back and resubmit the emails to Senators and add in a new clause that says-- "Not only in Ohio, but also in Florida, NM, NV, PA, NC and numerous other states were there are numerous indications of election "irregularities", possible evidence of tampering and voter suppression.

Not sure of the best way to word this- but I agree with you. This needs to be elevated to a national conversation.

[garybeck]

4. NOTICE to people promoting the contacting of senators

please make sure you tell people to ask their senators to contest more than just OHIO.

[Amaryllis]

5. Something that addresses this issue:

I know we won't actually get what we are asking for but it's a strong statement.

REVOTE ESSENTIAL IN OHIO AND OTHER STATES

Active campaigns are underway nationwide to persuade U.S. Senators to challenge the flawed and fraudulent presidential election results when they meet on January 6, 2005.

We need only one Senator to join with members of the House of Representatives to challenge the election results.

Investigations in Ohio have revealed a total and complete breakdown of the voting process that can only be explained by a systematic and willful intent by Ohio election authorities to disenfranchise the People and defraud the election process. There have been many documented instances of flagrant violation of Ohio election law, tampering with vote tabulation machines and discarding of ballots both during the election and the recount.

The investigations in Ohio and other states have revealed that machines broke down, counted backwards, eliminated votes and registered votes for the wrong candidate. Nearly all voting machine "glitches" favored George Bush, some giving him thousands of extra votes.

Democratic and African-American neighborhoods experienced by far the longest lines on election day, the most vote spoilage, the most elimination of provisional ballots and the most victimization by precinct manipulation. Four hundred thousand callers phoned voter protection hotlines with complaints ranging from absentee ballots lost in the mail to outright voter intimidation and disenfranchisement. There have been documented instances of illegal tampering with the vote tabulation machines before and after the election and before the recount could begin in Ohio.

Democrats on the House Judiciary Committee have questioned the election's legitimacy in a series of rigorous and painstakingly detailed letters documenting from witness testimony and hard evidence, the unprecedented extent and scope of vote suppression, clear and criminal violations of the Federal Voting Rights Act, and potential voting machine fraud in both the election and the Ohio recount.

The electronic information from the voting machines has lost data integrity due to tampering and is therefore invalid. Because of all these factors, a recount cannot reflect accurately the will of the people. A revote is the only possible way to restore Democracy.

Detailed information is available at Information is available at www.house.gov/judiciary_democrats.

Similar problems have occurred in New Mexico, Nevada, Iowa, Florida and North Carolina.

The only way to determine the truth about the will of the voters is to have a statewide revote in these states.

Revoting was conducted in Ukraine and it was fully supported by the U.S. administration and the same has to be done in all these states of the U.S. as well.

Further, the revote must be conducted with a paper ballot to completely eliminate the possibility of electronic hacking and tampering. Finally this revote should be directly supervised by the Carter Center for Peace or other international group respected for overseeing these elections that were formerly supervised by partisan politicians with conflict of interest.

The Supreme Court has no jurisdiction in choosing the winner of a flawed and fraudulent state election, nor does Congress. The role of Congress is to require a clean vote from each state, which the Congress certifies.

In light of the above facts we ask that on January 6, 2005, Congress mandate:

A statewide re-vote in all states with documented voter suppression, voting machine and vote tabulating machine irregularities, and possible fraud, to start January 15, 2005.
Direct supervision of the revote by the Carter Center for Peace or other international group.
Paper ballots must be used for the revote.
We endured the violation of Democracy in 2000 and in 2002 through voter suppression and voting machine tampering. With continued resolve we came together during the 2004 election campaign, we participated in the Democratic process in droves through contributions of our time and money. Since November 2, 2004 we have been even busier helping with investigations of election fraud through more contributions of our time and money.

We cannot and will not endure this any more.

We are appalled that our Democratic leadership has not shown any significant support of our efforts, outside of the valiant efforts of Rep. Conyers and members of the Minority House Judiciary Committee. All our senators and representatives should be openly expressing the same outrage we hear from these heroic representatives over what has happened in this election.

We see another election being stolen from us.

It would be difficult if not impossible for us to continue to support a party or elected officials who will not aggressively fight to prevent our elections from being stolen.

URGENT CALL TO ACTION BEFORE JANUARY 6, 2005

We urge all Americans to take immediate action.

Contact your Representatives and Senators and ask them to mandate the actions stated above in order to preserve Democracy in the United States of America.
A thoughtful and well-worded letter faxed to your Representative and Senator will have the maximum impact.
Time is of the essence. Please fax your personalized letter on this matter to your Congressman and/ or send emails and call them.
Information to contact your Congressperson can be found at www.congress.org or at www.actionspeaksportland.org

[understandinglife]

6. WA State has offered us an elegant opportunity to expose...

....at least one of the mechanisms of "mandate". It is a very 'red' state with few exceptions. The few exceptions are the high density counties that vote 'blue.'

So, from an analytic perspective, its tractable and solid, especially given the fact that because of the Governor's race a 'manual count' of all ballots is finished. Except, and this is a most important EXCEPT -- two counties, Snohomish and Yakima, used vapor ballots. AND, both those counties had substantial absentee voters and those folk used paper, not vapor. Yummy and here's the link:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x208547

Now, if we can bring full attention to the few steps that need to be accomplished, we can run the comparative analysis of absentee vs election-day in all counties. And, we can impound, reverse engineer, gather sworn testimony and more.

And, we should all be grateful for Rossi howling 'revote, revote, revote....'; just the sort of attention we can leverage if folk jump on it.

Peace.

"Its 7 Jan 2005: do you know who your president is?"

[garybeck]

7. Here is another reason why we need to do this

holy smokes! Read this new report on the NATIONAL exit polls and the POPULAR VOTE:

http://freepress.org/images/departments/PopularVotePaper181_1.pdf

[FogerRox]

8. VEry good point--not just Ohio--the fraud was massive and widespread

My Mission: TARGET CBS

Join the protest @ CBS in NYC or protest in DC--or protest a TV station in your area. If enough Peeps show @ CBS I will extend the efforts to other outlets, Like ABC & NBC.

Power to the People ! !! ! ! RIght On Brother KIP ! !! !

http://www.51capitalmarch.com /
[e-mail] /

[buzzard]

13. This is a good read maybe you could give it a separate thread,

with new title showing the date of release. I am not able to do it or I would.

[nashville_brook]

9. time to kick it up a notch -- CONSPIRACY

"we've" avoided the word CONSPIRACY to our peril
b/c that's how the MSM "framed" the debate.

you are either rational and voting irregularities are isolated, honest and "just need to be fixed," (conyers) or you are a tin-foil hat fool, seeing CONSPIRACIES everywhere (bev harris).

granted, the word "conspiracy" is loaded -- but that's what it is!

n 1: a secret agreement between two or more people to perform an unlawful act 2: a plot to carry out some harmful or illegal act (especially a political plot) 3: a group of conspirators banded together to achieve some harmful or illegal purpose

[garybeck]

10. yes.... and even just OHIO is a conspiracy anyway

[nashville_brook]

12. the reich wing has been saying all along, if it isn't a conspiracy

then it isn't a problem...

"well, it doesn't rise to conspiracy... it's within acceptable error... blah blah blah"

i mean, i understand about not yelling fire in crowded theater, but this like yelling for calm in a burning theater.

[dogindia]

11. yes.....big yes.

[zapped 1]

14. very important !

kick
I think the Harris screw-up helped deflate the momentum that was gathering in Florida.
No way did Bush win by 300,000 plus votes.
The 58,000 missing absentees in Dem. counties was never explained. Many of the absentee voters are from New York and are senoirs who vote Dem.
The Post Office claims they recieved and mailed them out.
There are many other probs with Florida.

[bmoney07]

15. I've been saying this for weeks - why is everyone so focused on Ohio

when we have "irregularities" all over the place-


signed

Angry Floridian

[zapped 1]

16. please keep kicking this! eom

[zapped 1]

17. sorry...kick!

[liberalla]

18. YESSSS !!!

KICK!

[melwoods]

19. kick

:)

[corbett]

20. ReDefeatBush.com Taking It National

You're completely correct. Fortunately, there are other fronts being pursued, many of which are national. Yes, this one aspect of the Kerry challenge needs to be broadened but we can't put the cart before the horse.

Surf over to

http://www.redefeatbush.com

for further reading about the national efforts.

[IStriker]

21. Why on earth would anybody contest PA? Kerry won PA!

[Time for change]

22. You may be right, BUT

Ohio is the only state, other than Florida, that will give Kerry the Presidency. And he seems to be much closer, and the exit polls are much more favorable in Ohio than in Florida. So I for one am inclined to agree with the focus on Ohio -- unless and until Bush is inaugurated.