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berniew1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 04:15 PM
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2002 Florida Govenors Race: S. Fl. touchscreens default to "Jeb Bush"
Broward County, Florida. November 2002. ES&S.
Machines register votes for opponents.

On Election Day, callers to a Florida radio talk show complained of ““broken”” ES&S Votronic touch-screen voting machines, according to the Drudge Report. ““I voted for McBride, but the machine counted it as Bush. It did this three times. Thepolling worker finally said, ‘‘We have to re-program this machine.’’ Another person was
having the same trouble while I was there,”” a voter told Neil Rogers on his highly rated AM radio show.*
http://www.votersunite.org/info/content/mess-up_083104.asp
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WebeBlue Donating Member (415 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 04:21 PM
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1. Wow, I shouldn't be, I know, but I am "surprised"...
does it never end? Well, if we stay on it perhaps, but shudder to think if we weren't on duty here what voting has lapse/morph to in 2000, 2004 and what kind of future for democracy is that?

Has politics always been a sort of artificial reality, or am I just way too naive?
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Florida_Geek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 04:22 PM
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2. while I really do believe Jeb could have beaten McBride by
1%-2% he did not beat him by 12%.

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bmoney07 Donating Member (304 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 04:27 PM
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4. He can when teeny weeny feeny is involved
See Clint Curtis
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 04:51 PM
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11. Didn't teeny weeny feeny run with Jebster the first time, against
Walkin' Lawton?
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berniew1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-04 09:13 AM
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12. Whats the latest with Feeny? Has he agreed to a poly test?
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1monster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 04:27 PM
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5. Yeah, I NEVER believed that McBride only got about 36% of the vote...
He was running neck and neck with Jeb right up till election day Then when the votes were counted, he wasn't even a contender......

The Florida 2002 election for Gov. and the Georgia election in which Max Cleland lost by a landside were just trial runs for 2004. (And I really have doubts that Walter Mondale lost so badly in the election to replace Wellstone. The numbers just don't add up to an honest election count.
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berniew1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-04 03:56 PM
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16. What did the polls show in that one?
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RoeBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 04:25 PM
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3. A call-in to a radio show
doens't make it true.
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berniew1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 04:33 PM
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8. Probably does, given that same thing is documented in this election
It was called in to radio again this year, but its also documented in the EIRS reports, widespread vote machine fraud in Florida
http://www.flcv.com/fraudpat.html
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k8conant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 04:49 PM
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10. Doesn't make it false...
the call-in is an incident report.
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 04:29 PM
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6. Every day I get the feeling I'm in a third world country that's still
working out the bugs of democracy. This is depressing.
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berniew1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 04:34 PM
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9. Its clear we don't have a democracy currently
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EC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 04:30 PM
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7. The only surprise to me here is that it is Drudge reporting...n/t
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jsascj Donating Member (425 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-04 10:12 AM
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13. And they will undoubtedly do the same in 2008
When Jebbie is running for president.

We are so screwed as a nation to be under the control of these thugs!
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-04 10:42 AM
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14. Of course they will. n/t
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-04 11:03 AM
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15. Election Official Thwarts Recount Using Phony Vote Totals

<snip>
..."Gov. Jeb Bush appointed Deborah Clark election supervisor in Pinellas County, Florida, in May of 2000.
Trouble began almost immediately. Some of it was even funny…
For example, in the Aug. 31 2002 primary, the population of an entire small town— 12,498 voters— appeared at the polls in Hillsborough County and apparently decided not to vote in the race for state attorney.
The town cast votes in all the other contests, but not in the race for state attorney. Had there been a town-wide secret pact?
To this day no one is sure why those voters didn't vote, or if they did, what might have happened to their votes. They are “ghost votes,” floating in the ether. The local papers labeled it  “A Voting Mystery.”
More seriously, while Deborah Clark had worked as a top official in the Pinellas Supervisor of Elections Office, her husband Richard Clark’s employer Elections Systems & Software, was awarded more than $400,000 in business with the office, and was up for a lucrative contract worth as much as $15-million to sell new voting machines to Pinellas County.
Clark, who hadn’t disclosed the connection, hotly denied a conflict of interest. “Neither my husband nor I would ever do anything that would compromise the integrity of the elections office, or our own personal integrity," she said.
Clark's failure to disclose that her husband was working for a voting machine company bidding for Pinellas' business, coupled with the last-minute revelation that the executive who would have managed Pinellas' elections for Sequoia Voting Systems, the company the county chose, was under indictment in Louisiana, left a bit of a sour taste.
Elections in Pinellas County have been occasions for holding your breath for several election cycles...."

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Election Official Thwarts Recount Using Phony Vote Totals
   In the Middle Ages it was “God’s Will.” Today it's "a computer glitch.”
Even as testimony indicated a Florida computer firm was asked to create a program to 'hack the vote' at the request of a top Florida Republican, a “mistake” in the office of the seriously-compromised Supervisor of Election in Pinellas County spiked hopes for a recount. A recount that would have thrown a spotlight on dark corners of the election process in the Sunshine State...which critics say hide widespread and even systemic vote fraud.
http://www.madcowprod.com /
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"THE BIG FIX 2004"
How to Fix a Presidential Election

An investigation into the surprisingly-sordid history of America’s “election services industry” has revealed that executives and owners of the two largest companies, E S & S and Sequoia Pacific, have been convicted of bribery and suborning public officials in more than a dozen states.
http://www.madcowprod.com/mc6912004.html
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