NEWSWEEK ! -- Jesse Jackson on why he thinks Kerry WON THE ELECTION

[IndyOp]

‘We Will Not Faint’
Jesse Jackson on why he thinks John Kerry really won the election
<http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6770193/>

So you think Blackwell stole the election for Bush?
It was under his domain to have enough machines; the machine calibration, tabulation issue. You could rig the machines. We have reason to believe it was rigged.

What is your evidence?
Based on distrusting the system, lack of paper trails, the anomaly of the exit polls. In Ukraine, there’s an exit poll gap, they say, “Let’s have another election.”

We think it should be certified provisionally, until there can be a forensic investigation of these machines, and until there’s a random recount. In only two of the counties did they do any hand recounting.

What can be done now?
Thursday is when Congress is scheduled to certify the vote. Kerry should take the floor and ask for a debate on the subject. Kerry pulled out too early. The scrutiny pulled out with him.

If the election were held again with these alleged problems solved, would Kerry win?
Of course I think that. If we deal with the anomalies, a fair random count, the urban-suppressed vote, Kerry would get at least 60,000 more votes. At least! I believe that. I don’t know that.

Is it possible that election will be overturned?
I don’t know. All we want is a fair count and a transparent election. We can live with the result. We’re fighting the odds but we will not faint in the face of the odds.

:wow:

[pixelthief]

1. Thanks for posting n/t

[Amaryllis]

2. We bloggers are "continuing to spin conspiracy theories"...is Jackson

spinning conspiracy theories? Is Conyers? Aaaarrrggghhh....

[IndyOp]

10. Not conspiracy - an 'orchestrated attempt' to influence the election

If you haven't read the Black Commentator's take on Conyers' check it out:

Conspiracy? Conyers understandably avoids using a word that corporate media so eagerly associate with nut cases. Instead, Conyers employs a less loaded term:

“Well, you know, orchestrated attempts don't always require a conspiracy. People get the drift from other elections and the way talk about how they're going to win the election. When you have the exit-polling information discrepancies that occurred in 2004, where the odds of all the swing states coming in so much stronger for Bush than the exit polls indicated – they say that that is, statistically, almost an improbability.”

But conspiracies do exist; they occur every time a group of persons plans to commit criminal acts. Conyers knows this. He’s not only a lawyer, he’s a Watergate lawyer, having sat on the same Judiciary Committee that saw Richard Nixon’s presidency unravel in 1973-74. District attorneys in big cities across the nation love conspiracy law, designed to connect the seemingly random depredations of criminal gangs. Conspirators can be convicted even if they don’t know all the other players or the whole scope of the criminal enterprise. They need only be shown to have acted in the furtherance of the larger scheme.

<http://www.blackcommentator.com/119/119_cover_vote_thieves.html>

:kick:

[Amaryllis]

13. Intro to interview (not Jackson)says we are spinning conspiracy theories.

"As bloggers continue to spin conspiracy theories about a victory stolen from Democratic candidate John Kerry, the Rev. Jesse Jackson plans to lead a Monday rally in Columbus to protest alleged voting irregularities."

Don't these people read ANYTHING? It is so easy for them to call it a conspiracy theory and if they'd only read Conyer's letters and the transcripts...
Investigative journalism is a thing of the past.

[k8conant]

18. We are unraveling the conspiracies...

investigation lives without the "journalists".

[Amaryllis]

19. We have excellent invetigative journalists such as Will Pitt and

the guys at Free Press. It's MSM who seems to be able to only parrot what other MSM says instead of doing any real journalism.
And, you are right; we are unraveling conspiracies and we are the media. MSM is the one doing the spinning! We are unraveling.

[IndyOp]

21. I know the intro mentions "conspiracy theories" - I was just trying to

cheer you up by sharing the Black Commentator's take on 'orchestrated' action and 'conspiracy theories'. -- The author of the BC article seems to be pushing Conyers to go for conspiracy -- call a crook a crook.

:hi:

[crispini]

3. Wow, great article!

:loveya: JJ!!!!!!

Ya'll notice it was on the MNSBC website..... hmmmm?

[Miami Liberal]

4. Go Jesse!

If the election were held again with these alleged problems solved, would Kerry win?

JJ: Of course I think that. If we deal with the anomalies, a fair random count, the urban-suppressed vote, Kerry would get at least 60,000 more votes. At least! I believe that. I don’t know that.

Is it possible that election will be overturned?

JJ: I don’t know. All we want is a fair count and a transparent election. We can live with the result. We’re fighting the odds but we will not faint in the face of the odds.

:yourock:

[Amaryllis]

5. Jackson tells us what we need to be telling our congress people to do!

"We think it should be certified provisionally, until there can be a forensic investigation of these machines, and until there’s a random recount. In only two of the counties did they do any hand recounting."

Wish they'd put this in the magazine and not just on the web. This is great that they are printing an actual INTERVIEW.

[bmoney07]

6. not counting the 3 million plus votes nationwide that do not get counted

on a regular basis - one has to wonder who all those people voted for?

[RaulVB]

7. Good for the reverend (n/t)

[Pithy Cherub]

8. No smelling salts needed here:

but the conspiracy theorist label rears its head again.

[IndyOp]

11. See Post #10 on "orchestrated attempts' :-) (n/t)

[Kota]

Thanks I needed something positive to read today!

[Kota]

9. Thanks I needed something positive to read today!

[damntexdem]

12. Kerry and his like won't fight.

Maybe no senator will -- in which case, nothing happens.

Too bad Democrats don't have a party and politicians to fight for them.

[Amaryllis]

14. Conyers is fighting for us. There just aren't enough brave souls like him.

[fooj]

15. thanks for sharing...

If we did a revote...I bet the results would match those stupid polls they've been doing lately...it would explain SO MUCH!!!!! They'll fight and sell off their own to BLOCK a re-vote! They KNOW what would happen!!! How sad is that!?:-(

WHAT ARE THEY HIDING??????:think:

[Generator]

16. Well we know who gets it! Thank you Jesse Jackson!

Also it doesn't even take machine rigging:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=209080&mesg_id=209080

[AmerDem]

17. Go Jesse!

Thanks for the post and link!:toast:

[Pacifist Patriot]

20. When I was a freshman in college...

I had the opportunity to hear Jesse Jackson speak. I enjoyed the speech and approached him as he departed. He shook my hand, put his other hand on my shoulder and muttered something encouraging which I do not remember. I was a self-absorbed 18 year old and brushed the encounter off as nothing of consequence. How I wish I could have that moment back and savor it.

[IndyOp]

27. Sounds to me like even if you did not 'get it' then, you do now...

Great memory - thanks for sharing!

:hug:

[Quakerfriend]

22. Very nice! Thank You JJ!

BTW, my hubbie told me that CNBC announced that bloggers were "the people of the year" tonight! Did anyone else catch this btw. 7-8 pm EST?? Maybe they know that we are not going to go away!

[Straight Shooter]

23. I don't remember Freeper bloggers being called C.T.'s, do you?

The media jumped on the Buckhead dissection of the Rather memo like a starving dog who's been tossed a meaty bloody bone.

Conspiracy, indeed. It's time to defang that overworked word. I believe there was a conspiracy, if you define conspiracy for what it is; namely, two or more people who agree to engage in illegal means to achieve an end. BFD. It happens in all sorts of venues, every day.

[Quakerfriend]

24. Yeah you got that right!

I think KKKRove spreed the "CT" meme to discredit bloggers.

And, I think we must do away with tin foil talk all together!

[glitch]

25. "Conspiracy Theorists" and "Liberal" are totally defanged as derogatives

now. The terms are so overworked, the people who use them now are outing themselves as utter repeaters.
They really need to come up with new slurs against us, if only for their own dignity. Oh, yea, well, skip that last bit.

[Straight Shooter]

28. People call me "liberal," I say, "That's right, I'm generous."

Then I get that blank deer-in-the-headlights stare.

About that tinfoil hat label, it ain't a tinfoil hat, it's a BS detector.

They can stick their derogatory labels in their pipe and smoke it, because I'm a liberal who talks back :P

[glitch]

31. Me too - I tell them I am liberal and progressive, and a proud member of

the 'Bite Me' wing of the Democratic Party.
Takes care of the topic real quick.

[hootinholler]

26. Disappointing...

I wonder how much the author didn't use? JJ wasn't even close to hitting his stride in that.

I like the NEWSWEEK name on it, but it's a "Web Exclusive." Does that mean it won't be printed on paper?

-Hoot

[Dancing_Dave]

29. Jesse intends to make this a big movement like the Civil Rights era

Happy Martin Luther King Day, everybody!

I think he's a little off base in expecting anything from those "random" recounts...hmmm what date was this interview actually conducted anyway? He's absolutely right on the need for forensic investigation of the machines.

Rev. Jackson will bring a tremendous energy to our voting reform movement. He can really bring people together! :yourock:

[Melissa G]

30. We Will NEVER Give Up! Blast to Senators!

We know Big Fat Lies and Theft when we see them!
Thanks for the post! Media blast it to all the Senators who want MSM corroboration!

[johnaries]

32. I still say that because of Voter Intimidation, Vote Suppression, and

"switching" of votes ("Bush" was the default? :wtf: ?), a recount will NEVER be accurate! Ohio needs a re-Vote! Anything less is still FRAUD!