Not so damn fast about New Mexico!

[RoadRunner]

Results for: Statewide Results Number Of Voters: 697983
Results as of: 11/4/2004 4:29:52 PM

Candidate or Issue Party Votes Percent

PRESIDENT AND VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES
JOHN F. KERRY and JOHN EDWARDS Democratic 341632 49.5%
GEORGE W. BUSH and DICK CHENEY Republican 340250 49.3%


This is from the official website of the NM Secretary of State:

http://65.160.159.96/County0.htm

[glitch]

1. Cool - Now I don't have to boycott New Mexico! nt

[aquart]

2. Is this the final or just an ongoing total?

[RoadRunner]

I don't think they're done yet

but it has flipped by about 10,000 votes in the last hour or so as the absentee ballots are counted.

[George_S]

30. Oops, legit

EDIT: scratch that.

[Wickerman]

3. Very nice, RR

and good to see you!

:hi:

[RoadRunner]

6. Hey LB!! No way we're going red.

:hi:

(heard you guys been busy lately!)

[nadinbrzezinski]

4. my, my interesting

[slackmaster]

5. Also from the NM Sec'y of State's official site...

RESULTS WILL NOT BE OFFICIAL UNTIL NOVEMBER 23, 2004.

Not so fast, indeed.

http://www.sos.state.nm.us/

But seriously, what difference could NM's electoral votes make when Bush already has 274 not counting NM (according to CNN)?

[Hello_Kitty]

7. I want to know. I want every vote in every state counted. Period.

[slackmaster]

12. I agree every vote must be counted

Important information for historical records but it won't change the outcome of the election.

[Carolab]

22. What do you MEAN

If the votes are counted and the totals are different how could it not change the outcome?

[slackmaster]

32. Counting will likely not change the winner, but keep up the fight!

Overturning the election would require a lot of long shots to come together.

I respect your right to keep hope alive.

:toast:

On edit: If my state was in dispute I'd be fighting as hard as those of you who are.

My hat's off to you all.

[lefthandedskyhook]

39. You mean like in a democracy???

What a great idea! I still can't believe it would be any other way.

[nadinbrzezinski]

16. What have they declzared OH, as in certified it

or is this CNN projecting?

Look if they count EVERY damn vote and OH also turns as well as Florida (We are watching) you know who will become president now don't you?

I say wait, they are not done counnting this is what they want you to believe

[jmowreader]

50. These are projections

Read this:

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/11/05/voting.problems.ap/index.html

[jobycom]

20. A little here, a little there, another recount in another Bush state...

Keep it coming, let's not quit until it's done. If we lose, let's not let it be because we quit.

[Ducks In A Row]

24. it gives him less than 270

and time to count ohio and maybe maybe get florida's mess straighten out.

[slackmaster]

33. How do you figure that number?

n/t

[bloom]

31. According to Dick Morris (not that I agree with his conclusions...)

"So, according to ABC-TV’s exit polls, for example, Kerry was slated to carry Florida, Ohio, New Mexico, Colorado, Nevada and Iowa, all of which Bush carried. The only swing state the network had going to Bush was West Virginia...."

http://www.thehill.com/morris/110404.aspx


I would say all of those states are up for recounts.

[lefthandedskyhook]

38. If nothing else

It makes a huge difference to (all/some?) of us who worked on the campaign here.

[bushisanidiot]

8. Yahoo sez AWoL won NM 370,475 to 362,239

fuckhead nader got 3,967

on edit: wait, that's with 2 precincts left to count, plus i guess they're still counting absentee and provisional. we could pull this one out.

[whosinpower]

9. That is only one county in NM

sorry.....

[MidwestTransplant]

11. Says Statewide

[AimeeMM]

14. No, its Statewide, just labeled funny

the state has a total population of around 1.8 million, so the voter totals make sense that its statewide.

[Lefta Dissenter]

10. COME ON!!!

We're counting on you, New Mexico! Audit the damned count and confirm it! Then we need just one more little state to resolve some issues... or I'd be willing to take something not-so-little, like OHIO! :D

[West Coast Democrat]

13. These totals are lower than those on Yahoo or CNN

I don't understand.

[lefthandedskyhook]

40. Trust the secretary of state here

Everything else is suspect. I admire her courage.

[punpirate]

15. Here's the latest unofficial results as of 4:44 pm

PRESIDENT AND VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES
JOHN F. KERRY and JOHN EDWARDS Democratic 342802 49.5%
GEORGE W. BUSH and DICK CHENEY Republican 341605 49.3%

~1200 votes now.

Cheers.

[West Coast Democrat]

17. Look at CNN; How come they have higher totals?

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/NM/P/00/

[punpirate]

19. Dunno...

... it could be that CNN has people in the counties, and they're reporting totals before they've been transmitted to the Sec. of State's office.

They may have someone also checking absentee ballots separately in Bernalillo. Early voting in NM is often done on absentee ballots, and the percentage of absentees (because of the high number of retirees in the state) is always fairly high, proportionally, as compared to the popular vote on election day.

Cheers.

[cubsfan forever]

29. Hmmm NM SOS report

versus CNN, what do you think? Just asking.

http://www.sos.state.nm.us/

Professor 2

[democrat_patriot]

18. Kick. NM 'switching' could be the pebble that starts a landslide.

Anyone have info on where to send resources for OH, FL?


5 states with 5 EV cancels out florida or Ohio.

[Ducks In A Row]

23. and it happens quietly without media hysteria

which I beleive was the plan with kerry conceding

remember conceding is not binding. he can still be given those electral votes

and bush is happyily digging his hole deeper with these press conferences



now it's time to count the military vote, and I think it will be for kerry (hey I can dream)

[txindy]

62. Sounds about right!

Avoiding the media circus while getting all of his ducks in a .... Hey, wait a second!

Seriously, I do think that sounds like it might be the way it is supposed to work. It's an excellent strategy. Particularly with the provisional ballots still to be counted.

[Joylaughter]

21. OKAY

Thats 256 for JK right? SO WHEN OHIO IS DONE COUNTING - Kerry will have 276, right? Then he will be pres. RIGHT?

[Ducks In A Row]

25. YES! (because conceding isn't binding)

just a crazy smart move on kerry's part

[never_get_over_it]

27. Iowa and NM are still undecided

that is a total of 12 EVs - I think NM is 5 and IA is 7 If Kerry got both of these he would have 264 - OH would take him to 284 and Bush to 254 but the SOS of Ohio is NEVER going to let Kerry take OH...

[crimson333]

26. it says it is only 1 county reporting in the state wide

never mind:crazy:

[RoadRunner]

28. KRQE (Albuquerque) News 13 "breaking news"

KRQE just said:

Sec of State just posted a lead for John Kerry.

Republicans claiming Sec of State "backed out" the votes from some counties and that's why the vote totals on the Sec of State website disagree with AP totals. No explanation from Sec of State. (Possibly to update all totals for absentee ballots?).

Also, said still about 18,000 provisional ballots yet to be counted.

One of the reporters said it may be another week before we know the final total.

[Wickerman]

34. Thanks RR - this is huge!

:thumbsup:

[alittlelark]

56. I worked w/ election protection in Alb. The lawyer at the site told me

That touchscreen machines were used in early voting (1/3 of voters) and that there was an 11th hour decision, on Nov 1, to switch to the old optical scanners.

Can anyone verify that? I have posted it all over the place.

Gov. Richardson (ex Clinton cabinet) may just have a quiet BBV or fraud card up his sleeve.

[Digit]

61. Has anyone found WHERE they used the optical machines in NM??

Send the data to Bev when you get it.

[alittlelark]

64. State - wide on election day.

I'll get the info from NM in the AM and send it.

[NYC Liberal]

35. 7:46:31 PM Results

PRESIDENT AND VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES
JOHN F. KERRY and JOHN EDWARDS Democratic 355471 48.9%
GEORGE W. BUSH and DICK CHENEY Republican 362951 49.9%

[schawkfan]

36. CNN @ 7:21 PM EST

I believe CNN gets their results directly from the AP which is getting results directly from the counties. This is why CNN is more up to date than the Sec of State.

Bush(Incumbent) 370,706 50%
Kerry 362,340 49%

[Pacifist Patriot]

42. Counties are reporting to AP before their own Sec of State?

I'm sorry, but there is something really really wrong with that.

[schawkfan]

47. No

No, but the AP is quicker with the updates than the Secretary of State.

[Pacifist Patriot]

49. Gotcha, thanks.

[newyawker99]

52. Hi schawkfan!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[kennetha]

37. Something Odd is happening in NM

Can't figure out what's going on there. As of 7:56 local time the tally is:

JOHN F. KERRY and JOHN EDWARDS
Democratic
353263
49.1%

 
GEORGE W. BUSH and DICK CHENEY
Republican
357162
49.7%


That's fewer votes for each ticket than when I went to bed last nght.

Anybody got an explanation? Maybe they are counting and re-counting for some reason.

[DUreader]

41. fraud?

[Mixxster]

43. Currently:

Results for: Statewide Results Number Of Voters: 728984
Results as of: 11/5/2004 8:53:45 AM Counties Reporting: 4

Candidate or Issue Party Votes Percent

PRESIDENT AND VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES
JOHN F. KERRY and JOHN EDWARDS Democratic 352786 49.0%
GEORGE W. BUSH and DICK CHENEY Republican 358487 49.8%

[EMP]

44. Changed again...

They're going back down for both candidates...what the hell.

PRESIDENT AND VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES

JOHN F. KERRY and JOHN EDWARDS Democratic 349910 49.2%
GEORGE W. BUSH and DICK CHENEY Republican 352503 49.6%

[BQueen]

45. gone back up

Results for: Statewide Results Number Of Voters: 723117
Results as of: 11/5/2004 10:20:24 AM Counties Reporting: 4


JOHN F. KERRY and JOHN EDWARDS Democratic 350475 49.2%
GEORGE W. BUSH and DICK CHENEY Republican 353196 49.6%

confused -- really only 4 counties reporting? I guess the numbers are low enough...

[bushisanidiot]

46. NM is going through the auditing process. The are much better at getting

accurate results than states like wyoming, FLA and Ohio who certify votes in princincts without verifying accuracy. (i.e. total of votes is 120% of total registered voters, as was the case in WY).

[PatsFan2004]

48. The SOS apologized for the confusion....

By law, the final totals have to be entered by precinct. The original numbers were entered by country to get a "quick" result. Now they have to re-enter their results precinct by precinct. This will result in a flunctuating count for a while. But apparently, it will be similar to what was there before save the uncounted ballots. So the AP numbers plus the uncounted ballots should be reasonably "accurate".

[bear425]

51. What's happening in NM?

Yesterday, I wrote down that with 12 precincts reporting, * had 348125 to Kerry's 341186

Today I check and it says there are 13 precincts reporting and the presidential numbers are the same?!

WTF?

[bear425]

53. Ok , now I'm really concerned about New Mexico

Can this be correct?
Please read my post above... Now with 17 precincts reporting, * has gone down 3 votes and Kerry's look like they've been transposed?!

This morning it was * 348125
and Kerry 341186


PRESIDENT AND VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES
JOHN F. KERRY and JOHN EDWARDS Democratic 341168 48.9%
GEORGE W. BUSH and DICK CHENEY Republican 348122 49.9%


Again, WTF?

http://65.160.159.96/County0.htm

[txindy]

60. They just keep changing them until they get what they like

:eyes:

Still, it sounds close enough for a recount. Um, any paper trail in New Mexico? :shrug:

On Edit: Answered my own question. My, my, what a shock. Op-scan machines, touchscreens, and Sequoia's AVC Advantage machines.

http://verifiedvoting.org/verifier/map.php?&topic_string=5std&state=New%20Mexico

Does anyone familiar with New Mexico know anything about the demographics in the counties in the above link? I'm kind of curious as to the make-up of the counties with op-scan machines. There are 10 counties and they run along the state borders, both east and west.

[lessthanjake]

54. Bush won NM in the end

Bush 372,153
Kerry 364,240

[hippiechick]

55. Right, but by less than 7,000 votes ?

Sounds like recount territory to me ....


:hippie:

[noiretextatique]

57. absolutely...

perhaps Nader or Cobb can request one there also. boy...this is getting GREAT!!!

[loudsue]

58. My activist friend in NM just told me that the NM SoS has been an obstacle

from the first...even though she is "Dem". She's evidently HEAVILY in bed with Sequoia voting systems.

We should have Governor Richardson SERIOUSLY looking over this person's shoulder.

New Mexico's population is 2/3 minorities. The whole state is 1/3 WASP, 1/3 Mexican, and 1/3 Native American. Even though the republican party is VERY active in NM, this election saw a whole slew of new, activist, motivated minorities, and another whole slew of environmentalists. I really cannot believe that bush would carry this state for this election.

:kick::kick::kick:

[alittlelark]

59. I talked to her!!! I was collecting info on recount costs, req...

I kept getting pushed up the ladder. When I spoke to her (I assume it was really her) took the position that I was a nutsy conspiracy theorist - and all I did was ask questions! She said she was unhappy with the election outcome, but that NM's election was perfect.

[harpo]

63. now its 48.9% vs. 49.9%

Results for: Statewide Results Number Of Voters: 703719
Results as of: 11/8/2004 8:10:04 PM Counties Reporting: 17

Candidate or Issue Party Votes Percent

PRESIDENT AND VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES
JOHN F. KERRY and JOHN EDWARDS Democratic 341168 48.9%
GEORGE W. BUSH and DICK CHENEY Republican 348122 49.9%

[99Pancakes]

65. Damn!

Snagged from us afterall!