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SueZhope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-01-05 11:24 AM
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Vote challengers accuse Blackwell of trying to let 'clock run out'
http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050101/NEWS09/501010374/-1/NEWS

Article published Saturday, January 1, 2005

Vote challengers accuse Blackwell of trying to let 'clock run out'

By JAMES DREW
BLADE COLUMBUS BUREAU CHIEF

COLUMBUS - Partisan activists contesting the presidential election results in Ohio said the state's highest court appears willing to "allow the clock to run out" so that the Electoral College results become official on Jan. 6.

Cliff Arnebeck, an attorney who filed the election contest on behalf of a coalition of activists led by the Rev. Jesse Jackson, said Secretary of State Ken Blackwell has chosen to not appear at a deposition to answer questions under oath about the Nov. 2 election.
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madison2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-01-05 11:26 AM
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1. Next paragraph says it all--
"If George Bush indeed won this election, there would be no one with a greater interest in proving that to be the case," Mr. Arnebeck said at a news conference yesterday. "They want the clock to run out. They want to win by default."
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-01-05 11:28 AM
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2. Isn't this contempt of court?
"Rev. Jesse Jackson, said Secretary of State Ken Blackwell has chosen to not appear at a deposition to answer questions under oath about the Nov. 2 election."
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TexasChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-01-05 12:26 PM
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9. Yeah, but remember Ian, this is Katherine Blackwell. You know, the one
who thinks he is above the law. You know the one said is a high elected official, so he doesn't have to answer to the peons?
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-01-05 11:32 AM
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5. Me too!
But you type faster than I do. See below. Happy New Year. Let's get 'em! :)
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-01-05 11:30 AM
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3. They can't hide this forever. Conyers throws down gauntlet!
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-01-05 11:31 AM
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4. Love this paragraph:
"If George Bush indeed won this election, there would be no one with a greater interest in proving that to be the case," Mr. Arnebeck said at a news conference yesterday. "They want the clock to run out. They want to win by default."

WHAT are they hiding?
What ARE they hiding?
What are THEY hiding?
What are they HIDING?

(Sorry to crib your phrasing Straight Shooter, but I really like that!)

Also, please note: they only refer to it once as "President."

The crap continues into 2005. Nothing stops because we changed the calendar.


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Kashka-Kat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-01-05 11:38 AM
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6. question
excuse my ignorance about things legal, but what exactly is a deposition, and is not appearing at one a violation or criminal offense.
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SueZhope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-01-05 11:47 AM
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7. This link might help explain what a deposition is
Edited on Sat Jan-01-05 11:48 AM by SueZhope
http://www.lectlaw.com/def/d041.htm

DEPOSITION - The sworn testimony of a witness taken before trial held out of court with no judge present. The witness is placed under oath to tell the truth and lawyers for each party may ask questions. The questions and answers are recorded. When a person is unavailable to testify at trial, the deposition of that person may be used. Part of the pre-trial discovery (fact-finding) process.


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Pithy Cherub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-01-05 12:21 PM
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8. Partisan activists now in 2005.
Guess that is a step removed from dissidents. Love the line about * should want to prove he won!
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zimba Donating Member (148 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-01-05 01:36 PM
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10. I liked dissident much better.
During the cold war being a dissident in Russia was the highest honor you could bestow on someone from that country. Well, now it's true for Amerika.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 07:55 AM
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20. I almost forgot about "dissident"! Interesting that they backed off
of using that term. I remeber being shocked when it was floated. Anyone notice when they dropped it?
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rehema Donating Member (184 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-01-05 01:56 PM
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11. Blackwell response in recent court suit said
There was no violation of the constitution by not having "adequate voting machines."
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corbett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-01-05 02:44 PM
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12. The Accusations Are Correct
The bad news is that Blackwell has a great deal of power to do as he pleases. The good news has two parts:

1) For weeks now, Blackwell has broken the law multiple times. He really has stepped in it.

2) The Ohio challenge process does not need to be complete in order for Congress to set aside its electoral votes! Mr. Conyers is counting on that and knows that the truth is on his side. Blackwell can stall but he cannot hide the MOUNTAINS of empirical evidence of fraud which have emerged from Ohio!
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liam97 Donating Member (406 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-01-05 02:49 PM
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13. 2 qns, corbett
so in order for "Conyers to prevail" we needs Repub senators to vote to set the Ohio results aside?

If they do, then?
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corbett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 07:26 PM
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21. Without The Other 2 Angles
If we take Representative Conyers' challenge on its own, yes, we'll need a simple majority in both Houses in order for his challenge to prevail. I firmly believe that will happen because of the strength of the evidence which he will provide to all Senators and many Representatives beforehand.

However, with the other two angles involved, he won't have to work so hard.
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berniew1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-01-05 02:52 PM
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14. Has someone looked into indictment of Blackwell; clearly guilty of malfeas
malfeasance. Lots of documentation of this. Why hasn't someone followed through?
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KerryOn Donating Member (899 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-01-05 02:55 PM
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15. Blackwell is a Chicken!
We at the Du are calling ou out Mr. Blackwell.
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roenyc Donating Member (824 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-01-05 03:02 PM
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16. wonder how one feels after
one sells their soul to the neocon party?

When this first happened i remember the freeper types on other boards telling me "he's black you know he wouldn't hurt his own people"

that just shows you how dense these people are. i tried to explain that the shade of skin has nothing to do with what is in a persons heart. of course they couldn't understand that. because they are a bunch of freaking racists. ugh i am so disgusted. their people (conservatives) actually wrote articles using the fact that Blackwell is black as a reason why he wouldn't disenfranchise black voters.

they are lucky their base is doesn't think for themselves.
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s-cubed Donating Member (860 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-01-05 08:12 PM
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17. Here's some poetic justice for the real Katherin Harris:
Edited on Sat Jan-01-05 08:13 PM by scubed
From the Sarasota Herald-Tribune, May 8, 2004

"Election officials notified Katherine Harris, ..., that the absentee ballot she cast in a March 2004 local election in Longboat Key did not get counted because she forgot to sign it."
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bemis12 Donating Member (594 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-01-05 08:15 PM
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18. LOL!
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roenyc Donating Member (824 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 07:49 AM
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19. HAHAAHAHAHa
:bounce: :bounce: :bounce:
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 10:26 PM
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22. Ahhh...
Revenge is a dish best served cold. Sweet justice...

Though, no one's vote should go uncounted. Even Cruella's.
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berniew1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 10:43 PM
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23. Someone has compiled an indictment case for Blackwell's indictment

and also has a petition to be signed regarding it:

To: Ohio Voters

"We The People" hereby request and formally demand Franklin
County, Ohio prosecutor Ron O'Brien to open a grand jury
investigation into the publicly-presented election fraud allegations in connection with the 2004 U.S. Presidential Election. The criminal
allegations, affidavits, evidence and eyewitness testimony can be
found at:

http://homepage.mac.com/studioron/Menu4.html

"We The People" also request the Criminal Division of the
Southern District of the U.S. Attorney's Office, and Ohio's county
prosecutors to open grand jury investigations and all other
applicable agency investigations into these matters.

If you voted or attempted to vote in the Nov. 2nd, 2004 U.S.
Presidential Election in the state of Ohio, and believe your vote
was not counted, please sign this Petition To Open Grand Jury
Investigations Into The 2004 U.S. Presidential Election.

Sincerely,

The Undersigned

View Current Signatures

http://www.petitiononline.com/indict1/petition.html




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