Anybody willing to give Bush a chance?

[HFishbine]

I know we have every reason to believe that this may be flight of fantasy, but what is the best case scenario?

Maybe Bush will find something in himself, or perhaps for the purely political purpose of positioning the party as the populist party in 2008 he'll surprise us all. Perhaps:

SAME-SEX MARRIAGE
Bush really does mean it when he says that the issue of civil unions should be left up to the states. Maybe we do end up with several states recognizing same sex-marriages in the next four years, and the Bush administration not moving against them.

The likely counter attack by fundamentalist, who Bush is now obligated to placate, will be a Constitutional amendment. Bush probably knows it safe to say he supports this, because he knows it will never pass. Even at this nadir of Republican power, there are simply not enough Republican-controlled state legislatures to give a constitutional amendment a thumbs up from two thirds of the states (Damn! Thank you Thomas Jefferson -- or was it Monroe?). For the next four years, gay marriage will remain a state issue, and we may even see some small progress state by state.

Of course, this issue is also likely to be greatly affected by George W. Bush's supreme test...

THE SUPREME COURT
This is where we discover what Bush is made of. Will he attempt to cast the will of his ever-so-slim majority onto the rest of us, or will he, in a moment of enlightenment, recognize that he will only drive a lasting wedge into America if he manages to appoint an ideologue? He promised he wouldn't apply an ideological test to judges.

Of course the weakened Democrats in the senate will have a say. Having had a number of pieces taken off the board, the Dems need to castle around a core set of values, and first among those should be to make sure Republicans don't push ideology onto the Court. If they stick together, then can keep an objectionable nominee off the court.

I'll add that if the Democrats fail to defend a number of core issues, it will be the end of the party. There will be nothing left but disparate pockets of self-interests if the Dems start to roll over for the Republicans. They should work with Bush on issues for which there is bi-partisan support, but they shouldn't trade away the things we just fought so damn hard for. With Daschle gone and newcomer Obama coming in, I have high hopes.

CABINET APPOINTMENTS
If 51% of the country is right, and correct, Bush is a man of conviction who means what he says. Maybe he really means it when he says he wants to bring the country together, and he'll actually do something meaningful to bring some healing. Could Wes Clark replace Colin Powell as Secretary of State? How about Michael Powell with Howard Stern? Any other possibilities for a Democrat in the administration?

Those are a few possible good outcomes. The senate is our stalwart against what we all fear may be the impending lunacy, but maybe some good will befall us, despite our current gloom. Of course, it all depends on whether or not president George W. Bush is a man of his word.

[Kierkegaard]

1. Short answer?

FUCK no.

[Carla in Ca]

76. Here is the RW answer , though not as eloquent

In an article today by The Guardian, the RW wants their agenda addressed immediately, as pay back for *'s (re)election. This paragraph absolutely stuns me...

"It's crucial that the Republican leadership not forget this - as much as some will try ... Liberals, many in the media and inside the Republican party, are urging the president to 'unite' the country by discarding the allies that earned him another four years."


Now, what these supposed 'Christians' are saying is: unite, my ass! We don't want to unite, we want to dominate!
How Unchristian this is! These people believe in greed, not God. What are we going to do when they make their demands?

[indigo]

131. A question on payback

Well, what are the 'Christians' going to do if he doesn't give them everything they want?

Analogy: Howard Dean supporters backed Kerry, the more 'electable' (allegedly) candidate because we couldn't get our own guy over the top. Of the 48% ABB voters, only some fraction are original Deaniacs just as of the 51% "majority" only some fraction are fundies.

If Bush proves to be too moderate for them, what are they going to do? They can't put up their own guy in 2008 b/c the 51% won't go for it.

[Carla in Ca]

133. A good question, indigo

I don't think he can keep all his promises. The stunner, for me, was his approval of civil unions just a few weeks ago. What was that all about?
The good news is we only have to wait two years, not four, to have another chance to get some congressional seats back from his missteps. I'm counting on that!

The RW is a group of hypocritical thumb-sucking 6 year olds that want to be tucked in every night and read a bedtime story, yeah, that one, by this pompous ass.
And now, they promise to kick and scream and throw a tantrum if they don't get their pay-back legislation passed by springtime!

When the repug implosion starts, 2008 will be a whole different ballgame.

[Dinger]

142. In The Words Of Kucinich:

"I'm still hoping for a miracle."

[daa]

101. Sorry I agree totally eom

[question everything]

106. My sentiments, exactly

First, heard on ABC that there is one member of Congress - not sure whether an old one or a new - that wants the death penalty for those who perform abortion.

Second, it is really not up to Bush. The movers and shakers of the Republican party were looking for a pretty face with the right connection to run and to carry their agenda and they selected Bush Jr. Thus, even if he, personally, wants to "unite" and wants to be nice, they won't let him.

We cannot give Bush a chance any more than we can give any puppet one.

[Maat]

115. Coburn..newly-elected wingnut from OK...

and my nutty relatives helped elect him.

By the way, none of them ever did anything to give a child a home or alleviate the world's population problems.


They just want control over a woman's body, and the economic status of the family.

They want cheap labor.

[question everything]

118. Also, moderate Republican Arlane Specter, who is expected to chair

the Senate judiciary committee, tried to say that a woman's right to choose is secure, and then had to backtrack, after some threats that he may not get that seat.

[ithacan]

144. that's EXACTLY what I was about to write!

great minds think alike.

Why the HELL should we give him any chance?

He blew any chance over the last four years.

Leopards don't change their spots.

It's gonna be a nasty four years, and the Dems must stand up and fight.

Fuck unity, fuck bush.

Fight for a civilized society!

[Kierkegaard]

159. We shouldn't give him any slack at all.

No conformity. No cooperation. It would only validate his presidency.

Why should the world turn upside-down? Does this idiot have any idea what his party did to Clinton for 8 years? He should feel lucky to have avoided imprisonment.

I hold out hope that someone in the house will stir up enough shit that *Stupido won't be able to get a single good night's sleep over the next 4 years. Kerry for minority leader? Where is our Ken Starr?

Please, somebody pick up a bat and start swinging!

[Avalux]

2. Not on your life

Don't EVER ask me that question again. :mad:

[everythingsxen]

3. NO

[Eurobabe]

4. are U for real?

[aquart]

5. Are you being deliberately stupid?

Every one of your "facts" is a complete distortion of the truth, especially the "51%."

There are NO good outcomes of a Bush presidency.

[metis]

6. NO!

[wysi]

7. That was...

... funny, in a non-funny sort of way, if you get what I mean.

[Kire]

8. I thought about it.

But I decided against it.

[ET Awful]

9. To hell with Bush. He had a chance to be a man of his word

and for four years failed abjectly to do so.

He's a liar, a manipulator, a con-man, and a man who profits off the misery of others.

Bush had a chance for four years and blew it, what makes you thank giving him a second chance will have a different result?

[brettdale]

10. no

Meanwhile back on earth.

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

11. Please, Fish...

No magical thinking. Not now. That would be the last step before complete insanity for us.

I am trying hard to figure out a constructive way to tamp down the pain and fear too. I hope you are feeling better than me.

[shamrock]

12. NO

** is EVIL

[NMDemDist2]

13. No n/t

[Democat]

14. You should submit your article at this link

http://www.theonion.com/

:)

I wish you were right, but no way is that going to happen.

[HFishbine]

48. Thanks!

That's a compliment. Thanks!

They don't accept unsolicted material.

[freetobegay]

15. No!

[dave502d]

16. No way in hell.n/t

[Dookus]

17. no

we know his record. It won't change.

[Nimrod]

18. ANOTHER chance?

How many does he need, anyway?

[burythehatchet]

19. hell no

[HFishbine]

23. Uh, damnit people

19 responses in 3 minutes? After you respond to the headline, get back to me.

[burythehatchet]

43. I read it. You write well.

Your last sentense was "it all depends on whether or not president George W. Bush is a man of his word."

..'nuff said.

[HFishbine]

47. Well, yeah

And I'm not making the case that he is.

[Obviousman]

20. youve gone mad

im sorry, but even if bush turned into howard dean for his second term i would not get behind him for what he has done to this county

[HFishbine]

52. How would he do that exactly?

Would that be some complex surgical swap of facial features, like in "Face Off"? That raises the troubling question of what I'd think of Howard Dean if he became George W.?

[Obviousman]

75. lol

i meant if he adopted all of dean's stances i still wouldnt back him.

[reprehensor]

Hello? You were supposed to unmask on Tuesday night.

Get with the prog.

[MuseRider]

Nah.

No way.

[Generator]

21. This is what happens when your reality is messed with

[HFishbine]

27. Hey, I'll grant you

that may be one explaination. I sure don't feel too steady on my feet right now -- just trying to infuse a little hope.

[a new day]

22. No (n/t)

[bowens43]

not for love, fame or money......

no. absolutely not. We must oppose that little creep in anything and everything that he does.

[oldtime dfl_er]

24. no and it sickens me

even to read this

[HFishbine]

33. Did you?

"...and it sickens me to read this."

Did you?

[oldtime dfl_er]

46. I did

I'll repeat part of what you said:

"If 51% of the country is right, and correct, Bush is a man of conviction who means what he says. Maybe he really means it when he says he wants to bring the country together, and he'll actually do something meaningful to bring some healing."

There's nothing in that paragraph that has any reality in it. Where have you been living the last four years?

[FlaGranny]

81. How about his TV performance today

where he said he wanted to bring us together and cooperate with those who agree with him, or some such nonsense, with snickers and giggles interspersed. Those aren't the exact words, but the sentiment is there. He'll cooperate if you agree with everything he says. I could think of better deals.

[Maat]

116. amen.

n/t

[napi21]

25. NO!!!! I don't trust him. I don't believe anything he says!

I gave some very serious thought to what he could ever do to get my support. I can't think of a single thing. You see, I just don't like the guy!

[LiberalAndProud]

26. NO

[complain jane]

28. Bush said the same horse shit this speech as he did in '00

about being "everyone's president", yada yada yada, and he's absolutely totally 100% as full of shit now as he was then.

He does NOT give a crap about anyone or anything besides himself and his elitist right-wing neocon base.

No president runs a bottom-feeding, lying, intelligence-insulting, disgusting, underhanded, scumbag campaign the way he did and actually has a shred of integrity.

So, short answer is, no.

[Fridays Child]

29. Does * deserve another chance? I don't know. Hey! Here's an idea...

Let's poll the surviving friends and family members of all of the people he's murdered. Diebold is not invited to tally the votes, by the way.

[skylarmae]

30. I really don't like these threads that are out ther to just piss us off

just 'for laughs and giggles'.

[Sparkly]

31. He's had far too many chances

Beyond his policy decisions, the way he ran this campaign -- or, excuse me, the way BushCo ran this campaign -- was so disgraceful, so beyond filthy, so far past any measure of civility, he will NEVER be trusted or accepted by me.

[benburch]

32. Are you crazy???

Not a chance. He stole his office not once but twice and deserves constant attack from us.

[HFishbine]

45. Could be. Maybe I phrased the quetstion wrong

Too many good points here about why Bush doesn't deserve an immediate investment of our goodwill at this time, but I guess what I'm wondering is if there are things he can do with at least some consideration for the other half of the country? I'm just saying that if Bush grows as a man, a leader and a human being, any moderation would be a pleasant surprise.

[Branjor]

34. Another chance...

to kill another 1100 troops and 100,000 civilians?

[footinmouth]

35. Just no!

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[4_Legs_Good]

36. I'm willing to give him a chance - to rot in hell, that is

When he walks on water over the Atlantic and ressurects the 100,000 civilians he's slaughtered, then maybe I'll give him some other kinds of chances.

david

[NurseLefty]

108. Well Said!

[Not Me]

37. In re: Same gender marriage

He has pushed hard for the Federal Marriage Amendment, while recently saying that he could support states-rights to civil unions.

The current version of the FMA states:

"Marriage in the United States shall consist only of the union of a man and a woman.

Neither this Constitution, nor the Constitution of any State, shall be construed to require that marriage or the legal incidents thereof be conferred upon any union other than the union of a man and a woman."

The bold section noted above would bar the states from creating civil unions.

Again, the two faces of bush*.

[thoughtanarchist]

38. Hell NO! Chimpy has already shown that ...

he's intent on making things worse. In *'s first press conference, he basicaly said F*ck yourself to anyone who does not go along with the PNAC master plan...

WASHINGTON Nov 4, 2004 — Contending Americans have embraced his conservative agenda, President Bush pledged Thursday to aggressively pursue major changes in Social Security, the tax code and medical malpractice awards, working with Democrats if they are receptive and leaving them behind if they're not.

"I earned capital in the campaign, political capital, and now I intend to spend it," Bush said a day after a decisive victory that made him the first president in 68 years to win re-election and gain seats in both the House and Senate.

"I'll reach out to everyone who shares our goals," said Bush, who 24 hours earlier had promised to try to win over those who voted for his Democratic opponent.


http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=227725

[HFishbine]

56. Yeah, I know.

He's not off to a very promising start, is he?

[Skip Intro]

39. "it all depends on whether or not...Bush is a man of his word" - ???!!!

wtf man?

We already know, without a doubt, over and over again, the answer to that question.

Are you running a fever?

[BillZBubb]

40. You mean like Kerry trusted him on the IWR vote?

You know, no war until it was the last possible resort?

Or how about the millions trusted him on WMD? Or maybe his promise to be a uniter?

Maybe this can help answer your question: Has Bush* ever told the truth on one major policy issue? ONE?

[Zero Gravitas]

41. No

I don't think fascists should be "given a chance". I do not use the term "fascist" as hyperbole, it is, I believe, an accurate description of what Bush is.

And where does this "51% of the country BS" come from? 51% of the 59% of registered voters who showed up at the polls voted for Bush. Thats every single right wing evangelical so called "Christian" and a bunch of fearful, ignorant people.

[hangloose]

63. Yes good point this is far from a mandate

[billyoc]

42. No. n/t

[pleiku52cab]

44. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[uhhuh]

49. I read every word of your post

And the chimp has already declared that he has a mandate and will be aggressively pushing his agenda.

He announced that there will be a one question rule in press conferences.

He has announced that he will strongly push for SS and tax policy reform, even harder than last time.

He has lied about everything for 4 years. He spouted this same tired bullshit after the 2000 election, and in that one, he didn't have the rigged popular vote.

He will say one thing and do another, just like the last four years.
SCOTUS appointments will be RW nuts. Cabinet appointments will be cronies. The press is being re-leashed by new restritions to access. U.S. forces are being prepared for a full assault on Fallujah.

I hope you are just trying to hold out hope that things aren't as bad as they are, but they are. Get ready to fight to do something about it.

[HFishbine]

58. Sure

Beleive me, I know it looks bleak.

[liberalmuse]

50. FUCK Bush.

The man is a PHONY. He's fooled a lot of people, but he'll NEVER fool me. If I weren't an atheist, I'd believe he was the antiChrist. I hate this fucker with every cell in my being. We are going to be the most hated generation in human history because we kept this piece of shit scumbag in power. FUCK BUSH and all his dipshit, murdering followers. I hope they all burn in their self-created HELL.

Does that answer your question?

[HFishbine]

59. Loud and clear. (eom)

[mhr]

51. HELL NO!

eom

[demodonkey]

53. NO CHENEYING WAY!

Oh, he was SUCH a great UNITER the last 4 years, wasn't he???

[CelticWinter]

54. Not in this lifetime ty n/t

[meg]

55. I already gave him a chance in Texas when he was

governor. He's way past having a new chance! Like Jon Stewart said, he is an abuser. You don't give them another chance.

[Minstrel Boy]

57. Dream on, Dr Pangloss n/t

[judaspriestess]

61. Not just NO but

HELL FRIGGIN NO!!
Never, never, never, burn in hell first!

[NV Whino]

60. HELL NO!

[bhikkhu]

62. WTF? NO!

n/t

[GreenPartyVoter]

64. Justices Roy Moore and John Ashcroft are enough reason for me to

scream NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

-----------------------------------------------------------
FIGHT! Take this country back one town and state at a time!
http://www.geocities.com/greenpartyvoter/electionreform.htm

[katinmn]

65. NO!

[PretzelWarrior]

66. F*CK NO. codependent no more. look into it.

that sick fuck stared into our eyes like a psychopath and ran right over the top of Dems who dared to attempt any form of cooperation with his evil and overarching plans.

[GoblinToe]

67. HELL NO!

I will never unite with the Chimp Administration. It's WAR from here on out.

NO MERCY.

[bloom]

68. Repukes are happily advocating WWIV.... so no... eom

[Vadem]

69. Buck Fush!!!! and the horse he rode in on!......n/t

[KT2000]

70. A Chance?

to kill more people; to continue bankrupting the nation; stop lawsuits against corporations; increase the pollution that we breathe and drink; make sure more peopl get thrown off insurance; more sick children

Your question is too stupid for words

[fishnfla]

71. of course he gets a chance (2nd) do we have a choice here?

how stupid are the replies? Shit, even a blind hog finds an acorn once in awhile. I mean didn't even Goldwater support Clinton at the end?

Who knows? I'll give the guy a chance. I 've no other choice, now

[tandem5]

72. What the hell is this 51% of the country stuff...

This meme has to be crushed. Let's be clear - its 51% of the people that voted and even that figure is highly suspect!

[tandem5]

82. almost forgot: NO WAY IN HELL! n/t

[puddycat]

73. uh, let me think carefully and long about this....NO

you know what I do? I pray to God to please don't let * fuck us as much as he is capable of doing. That is the extent of the "chance" I give to *

[bushisanidiot]

74. Double Fuck, NO!! He has stolen the presidency TWICE now.

he can burn in hell as far as i'm concerned.

[Digit]

85. I feel he has stolen it twice as well. That is what consumes me.

[stlsaxman]

77. Short answer: NO and...

what's more; Bush will not give his supporters a thing. He doesn't need anyone anymore-

Part of your fantasy stated "The likely counter attack by fundamentalist, who Bush is now obligated to placate, will be.... " ignored. He's done with them. It's all about shattering the economy now. Greed and more greed, war and more war, power and more po- oh, that's right- he HAS all the power now.

Why should we give him... anything?

[The Wielding Truth]

138. He'll pull them up when he needs them like Osama.Your so right

they are just part of his game plan. Do you think that there is i anyone that really knows the whole plan?If anyone does maybe we could stop it.

[acmavm]

78. Get any draftable kids in your family? You want to gamble that he told

the truth when he said 'no draft'? Because you know that was a damn lie. He's piling up the dead Iraqi civilians as we speak and they're talking about expanding the 'war on terra'. Excuse me, who do you thing he's gonna get to fight his war? Ken Lay's kids? PPPPLLLLEEEAAASSSEEE.

All of us who've been paying into Social Security for decades are now going to be ripped off. That's my money, your money, all our money, and he's gonna use it as he sees fit. He's gonna bankrupt the system and fuck everybody else. I PAID INTO THAT FUND FOR DECADES and I don't want some sticky fingered psychopath using it to cover his ass because rich people aren't going to have to pay their taxes. Rich people and the huge corporate machine out there. No, they've figured out a way to develop their own little welfare system and it sure as hell doesn't include the poor, the old, the jobless, the homeless... I'm sure you get my drift.

Like the guy in Skull and Bones said about bush*, he was born mean. Don't even begin to try to tell me this election humbles him in any way, I'm not that stupid. And being a Christian and a man of convictions and of his word, there's only one word that I can think of as a retort to that statement. BULLSHIT!!

[Not_Giving_Up]

180. No! No! No!

No number one was for when he elected governor of Texas...The general consensus was "He f*cking won?"...We have ozone level alerts nearly every day during the summer in the Houston area now...The shrub let his oil and chemical friends totally f*ck up our air.

No number two was the 2000 election. I just couldn't believe it. no need to go into what the last four years has been like, we all know.

The last no came as I watched the election coverage. Not again.

As to the draft issue - There may not be a draft in place yet, but there is a back door draft in place. Tours are being extended, and people are being retained past the time they committed for.

I have a brother currently deployed on a sub...I just hope he's somewhere safe.

[MoonAndSun]

79. Not only NO, but HELL NO!!

:mad:

[Carni]

80. No, he can fuck off

And so can the "red states"

[Vogon_Glory]

83. I Judge A Man's Word By Walking the Walk, Not Talking the Talk

I'm not willing to give George Walker Bush the benefit of the doubt. His actions during the last five years speak far more loudly as to the worth of his say-so and his character than does anything coming from his mouth or pen.

I judge a man's (Or a woman's) word by their behavior, not by their say-so. I grew up in an family strongly affected by alcohol, and I learned very early not to trust other people's promises or say-so without sufficient corroboration or ample evidence of follow-through.

George Walker Bush has spent the last four years breaking his promise that he would be a uniter, not a divider. I do not believe him to be trustworthy or a man of his word.

[Digit]

84. I can already tell he is going to be worse!

So, as * would say, here is my one finger salute.

[George_S]

86. NO!

[Catherine Vincent]

87. Hell No!

Fuck Bush!

And his supporters!

[goclark]

95. Never, never, nevef will I view

him as the President.

He is the scum of the earth.

[NYC Liberal]

88. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Oh, my. Now THAT is funny! LOLOL!

[Chili]

89. NO

...fucking way.

[BootinUp]

90. HFishbine...can I have a hit of what yer smokin?

Just sayin. :)

[gratefull4u]

91. R U NUTS? NEVER !, NO WAY , I don't have a president.

I'll support him the way they supported Clinton.

[DeposeTheBoyKing]

92. You're kidding, right?

What part of HELL NO don't you understand?????

[Gyre]

93. Bush is going to screw alot of people in many, many ways.

Give him about a month.

The freepers are trying to push a "honeymoon". Fuck that! A "honeymoon" is a getting to know you period. We've already got the chimp's number in spades.

Gyre

[lakeguy]

94. BUCK FUSH

[Flammable Materials]

96. Bush II legacy: Obliterate the left. n/t

[robbedvoter]

97. A what again? based on what? 2 thefts?

[Overseas]

185. I agree-- And now that they can steal elections with impugnity

and media blast that the Dems should just "get over it," and the leading Dems actually seem willing to accept the gangland voter suppression techniques as an honest fight, what incentive does the RW have to chart a new course toward unity and moderation ?

[Jasper 91]

98. NO , NO , NO , NO , NO , NO , NO , NO , NO , NO , NO , NO , NO , NO

Oh , did I say NO ?

[LTR]

99. Tell ya what

I'll give Bush the same chance that Republicans gave Bill Clinton in not only his first term, but his second.

I'm sure you know what to read into that.

[bread_and_roses]

100. NO (n/t)

[freeplessinseattle]

102. I want some of what you're smoking!!

why on earth would he suddenly develop a conscience? do you think if became born again yet again it may do the trick this time?

[Carl Yasutomo]

103. Do we give other proven mass murderers a "chance"?

No. We lock them up for life or we (unfortunately) kill them.

[ILeft]

104. "He says he won't hit me so hard next time. He's a good man."

George Bush is an abuser on a massive scale. We need to call the cops and get into a shelter. This bastard will kill us if we don't.

[freeplessinseattle]

109. yeah, all he needs is an anger management class, tho the remission

rate is very high. once an abuser always an abuser. but he has the will of the people behind him so obviously they like it a little rough, look how happy Laura is all the time. S&M can be fun, or so I'm told.

[T Bone]

105. 3 words

NO FUCKING WAY

[NurseLefty]

107. HELL FUCK NO!

Did you see *'s press conference today? He basically said he'll work w/ democrats WHO AGREE WITH HIM. And, a paraphrase: The people have spoken, according to *, in his view the American people want his agenda.
Over my fucking dead body will I ever have one ounce of respect for this lying sack of shit traitor, who has spent the last 4 years wrecking my country, and who will spend the next 4 years finishing the job.
I hope that he rots in hell.

[Triana]

110. I'll give him a chance...

..to burn in Hell

[kwyjibo]

111. Because I have no choice, I have hope.

I don't really know if giving Bush a chance is the right question, because.. what choice do we have? He's there, he's not going anywhere, he will do what he will do, and we can't keep him from it, short of assassination or impeachment. I am in no way for assassination, and for impeachment to happen something fucking huge needs to come up. I would welcome it gladly, although it seems improbable.

Bush is never going to win my heart or my support, but I will breathe a sigh of relief if he appoints a reasonable judge and cabinet.

I am trying really hard to be optimistic. I will allow for the possibility of Bush surprising me by doing something that I didn't expect, and possibly agree with. If I don't, then I'm just going to be a miserable asshole for the next four years and nobody needs that.

[Comadreja]

112. I'll get behind Bush all right

and I'll be wearing steel-toed engineer's boots...especially if he's standing at the edge of a tall building. We other half of this nation are just the betrayed vanquished bodies that he and his Mafiosi pals have to step on, step over, or step around on their way in to start the next round of plundering.. This time they'll be plundering the next five generations with the debt that they'll gleefully run up.

[Bride of Cthulhu]

113. not just no but hell no!!

n/t

[kestrel91316]

114. Er, NOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.......................furthermore......

I happen to be of the opinion that any collaborators should be taken into a dark alley and shot.

[Catchawave]

117. Nah...4 years was enough for me....Next and n/t

[cyr330]

119. FUCK NO

We wouldn't even be in this situation if Bush hadn't stolen the election in 2000.

[Big Blue Marble]

120. Are you suffering from Stockholm Syndrome?

Identifying with your captors?

[smirkymonkey]

121. ARE YOU MAD????

FUCK NO!!!!

[Vadem]

122. It is obvious that your post was to attract more responses.....

We see through it! There is no way in hell that we would EVER give that thief, and war criminal, who belongs in the Hague for war crimes, any kind of nice response!

[BrightKnight]

123. No

[marlakay]

124. Give him a chance? Every word I want to say of

what I want him to do is a four letter word. The tv is off. If it was up to me I wouldn't look at his face the whole four years.

[Anakin Skywalker]

127. Same Here!

I will not watch bushit's tv appearances and his mindless pre-screened cheerleading sessions.

[britpopper]

125. Must be a joke...

Hell no, I will never trust the pResident in Thief

[Anakin Skywalker]

126. "Maybe Bush will find something in himself"

Yeah. An even smellier heap of crap in lieu of his brain!

[Ktulu]

128. Right

He allready says he has a mandate. He and his fellow rightwingers dont give a fuck about you and me. Voting does no good anymore, this country is so screwed up that its time to start talking about getting armed and being prepared to fight for what you believe in.

[TXDemGal]

129. "Move away from the crack pipe!"

I don't know what yer smokin but you better stop.

Fuck no I'm not willing to give BushCo a chance. They're gonna take this country even farther to the so-called "right" and it's not going to be pretty.

[tedoll78]

130. If the Dems let me down on USSC nominees, I'm through.

I'll tolerate a TON of disappointment. I'll tolerate bad tax law, and bad Social Security and Medicare programs.. but Supreme Court nominees last DECADES - and people are only living LONGER now.

I'll make it abundantly clear to the Democratic Party: if you fail to fight against more Scalias on the court, I QUIT.

[Nicole]

132. No

He blew his last chance, he doesn't deserve another one.

[jobycom]

134. We did, and he murdered 100,000 people. How many more does

he get to kill before we draw the line?

Sorry, I generally feel that one murder, you're out. 100,000, I start to suspect a pattern.

[hecate77]

135. I will do everything in my power, little as that is, to help him fail.

I consider myself to live in an occupied country and I see bushco as the occupier. Sorry, not only would I not help him, I will do whatever I can to sabatoge him and his cronies. Boycotts, whatever. I will not spend any money in any red states, nor buy from any companies in red states, or buy from any companies that supported chimp. I will not do business with anyone I know to be a republican.

[nomatrix]

136. You wanta buy some Enron stock?

U.S. about to hit 7.4 trillion debt ceiling. Borrowing from China & Japan while giving tax break to the very rich, unreal defense contracts, while our loved ones are stuck in the mess in Iraq. Bin Laden brags he'll bankrupt the U.S. the same way he did the soviets.
Social Security bankrupt, no health care for veterans......

You ever hear of the thieves that read obituary notices to rob the deceased home while the mouners are at the funeral?
They are "trick or treaters" compared to these pros.

[Dem2theMax]

137. I don't need to read past the subject line. I don't need to read any of

the other replies.
"Anybody willing to give Bush a chance?"

He had his chance. All four years. He screwed this country, he screwed the world. FUCK *. PERIOD.

[fujiyama]

139. I already gave him

the benefit of the doubt. It was after 9/11. That was the one time when I supported him, hoping he would do the right thing.

Within two months though I felt betrayed, just as Al Gore once said.

Nope, the future is looking dim. I can only look forward to new Scalia clones on the supreme court. We can look forward to higher defecits. More money for defense contractors, whose equipment will be used to kill more innocent people around the world. A lame duck George Bush with a percieved "mandate" in the form of a popular vote majority is really the worst thing we could got.

[The Flaming Red Head]

140. I hate him more with each passing hour

fuck bush, fuck cheney, fuck rumsfield, fuck asscroft, fuck ridge, and fuck these rigged elections.

[LosinIt]

141. Lick Me, Out Loud, and I mean it!

got it?

[Pacifist Patriot]

143. No. Look what happened to Germans who gave Hitler a chance.

[Bridget Burke]

145. No way.

Never.

[bullimiami]

146. NO..............................nt

[chelaque liberal]

147. NO! He has had his chance.

[sazemisery]

148. Trust him twice?

Shame on US

[Mike03]

149. He had his chance

And he screwed the pooch. He told us straight to our faces that he intends to pursue his agenda, without remorse. This will not be a story of "redemption."

[RobertDevereaux]

150. We are to fight him every step of the way...

...no quarter!

[AlinPA]

151. ....whether he is man of his word??? What??? Hell no.

[demokatgurrl]

152. Bush can go straight to hell as far as I am concerned-

and you know what? He will. And he's taking us all with him.

[Roxy66]

153. Are you kidding me?!! Hell No!

[silvershadow]

154. NO. If there was fraud then we have an illegitimate government

This is the great undoing of what used to be the greatest democracy in the world.

[Ms.Victory]

155. Eh.....

NOT!

[cubsfan forever]

156. Hell No! Impeach! n/t

Professor 2

[spanone]

157. Fuck No. Four years taught me all I need to know.

He has no intention of 'bringing the country together'. What utter horseshit.

[lefthandedskyhook]

158. That's an insane idea. Let's resist instead.

Resist with cunning, not emotion.

[Union Thug]

160. Um, ah.. hmmm... NO. No unity, only class war, 24/7

[hatrack]

161. With all due respect HFishbine, what are you smoking?

He's had four years of chances to "reach out" and "unite" and "heal America" and all of that happy horseshit.

After a convincing negative 540,000-vote "mandate" in 2000, he ran hard to the right and stayed there. He pissed in our faces for four solid years. And now we're supposed to give him a second chance?

No way. No fucking way.

[LibertyLover]

162. Not willing

I am not willing at all to give Bush a chance. I've seen what 4 years of his programs have done to this country at home and abroad. He's already promised us more of the same, with a few extras like redoing the tax code and privatizing Social Security. Give him a chance? Just remember Aesop's fable about the scorpion.

[ordinaryaveragegirl]

163. Um, NO.

After what he's said and what he's done over the last four years? Look at his record, that's proof enough. The only thing I'll support that has to do with him is getting a better balance of power in the '06 midterms (read: get Dems back into office), so that he can't unleash his agenda full-force against this country without a fight. There's no way in hell that I could ever support * or anyone like him and still have a clear conscience.

[movie_girl99]

164. HELL F'EN NO!! n/t

[Siyahamba]

165. When Jenna and Barbara enlist

Then, yes, I'll give him a chance.

[Chang Chup Dzadzey]

166. Not only no...

...But HELL NO!

We're stuck with another four years of a cognitively impaired dry-drunk with his finger on the trigger and on a mission from God.

[AtTheEndOfTheDay]

167. Are you high?

[Crunchy Frog]

168. This is Bush*'s answer to that suggestion.

[The Wielding Truth]

169. HE HAS HAD 1,408 DAYS TO SHOW HIS COMPASSION.!!!????

[kwolf68]

170. HELL No

Next ?

[dbonds]

171. Exceeded expectations

In 2000 I knew he was going to be a bad president, but I didn't realize how bad he could be. He has had his chance, it would take a set of extreme measures just to get him on neutral ground.

[amerikat]

172. Bush is a con man, not a man of conviction.

He'll get nothing but resistance from me.

[mcg]

173. NO

[Carolab]

174. The real question is

Is Bush going to give US a chance?

[aquart]

175. Bush had his chance. He fucked up.

Anyone who believes there will be a change for the better is delusional and in need of serious medication.

[Crispus Attucks]

176. So what would you say the consensus of the board is?

[Karenca]

177. NEVER

NO :puke:

[CountDmoney]

178. Fuck No n/t

[Pooka Fey]

179. F**k me once, shame on you. F**k me twice.........

You took all that time to write that? Who is paying you??

[Groggy]

181. Been there, done that..NEVER AGAIN!! n/t

[TexasChick]

182. He needs to be impeached for lying to Congress about WMD. Clinton

got impeached for lying about a blow job. This chimp comes along and takes the WH illegitimately, and lies to all of us about WMD, gets us into the most timely, costly, deadly war and he's still in the WH? My God, America, where are our priorities!

[genieroze]

183. Heck NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If the next four years are anything like the last, we are in deep doodie.

[InkAddict]

184. And Jesus said to the thief, to paraphrase cause I wasn't there

This day you'll be with me in paradise.

That's a good thing cause just my thoughts alone right now would head me off toward the other place and I won't have to put up w/him there! SHOUT HALLELUJAH! /sarcasm off

[grace0418]

186. I remember about this same time four years ago

I thought "Well, how bad can he be? I sure as hell didn't vote for the guy and I think he's an idiot but, really, how much damage can he do in four years?"



I've since learned never to ask that question, even to myself.



I cannot think of one example where I thought he did the right thing in the last four years. Some people, Dems even, talk about how he was a good leader after 9/11 (at least until he started talking about bombing the wrong freaking country) and I laugh at that. At best, AT BEST, he did the bare minimum of what anyone would do in the same position. He made a few speeches (which his speechwriters wrote), he looked appropriately solemn (most of the time) and he got misty-eyed at memorials. Big deal, who wouldn't have done at least that? Most people I know were breaking down in tears at the slightest provocation. Most people I know were writing long, impassioned notes to their loved ones to express feelings they didn't share often enough. Because Dumbya resembled a humanoid on 9/12 while occupying the oval office he should get a medal or something? He didn't actually stop the terrorists, even though there was nearly an hour and a half between the first plane being reported as hijacked and the fourth plane hitting the Pentagon. He certainly didn't make us any safer in the subsequent three years. In fact, his actions have made us even more hated in the Muslim world and less likely to be assisted by our allies (except maybe Poland, I haven't forgotten them).

And while we were occupied with The War on Terror and other ridiculous excuses for war profiteering, BushCo was quietly wreaking havoc all over our country. He cut taxes for the rich and social programs for the poor. He protected his friends in big business and exposed our environment to the elements of greed and corruption. He racked up a crushing deficit, ruined our economy and made our educational system even more of a laughing-stock. He restricted our freedoms, crushed our civil rights, silenced anyone who might disagree with him, and turned the media into his propaganda machine. He didn't just ignore the separation between church and state, he actively made the state into his church's bitch. He used his "faith" as an excuse to condone bigotry, mysogeny, and racism and turn us against one another.

And through it all, he's lied like no one I've ever seen in action. Whether it's playing stupid (which he does very well), or avoiding questions, or just plain denial of statements he's made on national television as if no one could possibly produce video evidence in a matter of minutes, he lies so consistently and so willingly that I wonder if he even knows what the truth actually is anymore.

So the short answer is NO. I gave him a chance in 2000 (not that I had a choice) and he proved my original opinion so spectacularly correct that I cannot EVER give him another chance EVER.

Is there really any question at all whether or not GWB is a man of his word? Only if his word is "liar."