Concerns over Kerry in Iraq

[Firespirit]

OK, I've just had a major "paranoid moment" just now. Bear with me on this.

First, I'm not setting myself up for 1/6 to undo what's been done. I do look forward to seeing the repellent pile of sh*t that is the 2004 Ohio election dumped right on *'s doorstep, and the public made aware of it. I've read two insider reports here on DU that there will be a Senate challenge, and none contradicting it, so that's what I'm believing for now.

I don't know what Conyers has. Last month a staffer was quoted as saying that "a lot of what we’ve found so far has been pretty stunning." I don't know what that means. But the only way I see for the best-case scenario to play out is if he has an airtight case that is so clear and irrefutable that the "political suicide" would actually be on the GOP if they didn't go along. I just can't will myself to believe that Conyers has found that. I believe there was fraud and I am almost certain that Kerry was the actual winner. But I can't let myself believe that either Conyers or the CASE team can prove that. I'd love to eat crow on this point. But if I let myself think that, with no evidence either for or against it, it'll be a huge letdown if that isn't the case.

So -- where's all this leading?

If there is a Senate challenge, then it's an historical event and will get some major coverage. The allegations--whatever they turn out to be--will hit the mainstream, and they won't disappear from the public mind just because some Republicans vote against the challenge.

And Kerry will be in Iraq as this aforementioned repellent dung heap is deposited in Bush's lap. While Bush gets bad press, Kerry only comes across looking good. And we know how The Family does business.

Am I totally off base for worrying for his safety? Be honest. Has the stress of the past two months finally cracked me?

Even if--as I think now--the challenge is voted down, I worry for his safety. We need him in the Senate. Whatever your opinions of his campaign, he IS a highly rated liberal senator, and I have an inkling that he would push for election reform, especially if Conyers & Co. manage to bring all this out.

Somebody tell me I just need to get some sleep, or something.....

[Vektor]

1. I worry about his safety...

...constantly. As I worry about the safety of anyone who dares challenge the Neo-con machine. They are a treacherous bunch, and I don't trust a one of them. I'm not sure there is an immediate plan in order to do harm to anyone right now, but would I put it past them?

Nope.

[RevCheesehead]

2. You're not the first to post these concerns.

Many have expressed concerns over the BFEE's fortune with convenient "accidents" which benefit the family.

[Guaranteed]

3. He'll be alright.

Seriously. Get some sleep. :)

[Left coast liberal]

4. Ok, get some sleep. But, I sure wouldn't put it past them.

Let's hope Kerry has lots of real friends, allies and bodyguards around him.

Honestly, I think it is brilliant for him to be in Iraq just now. Just think how tense it would be if he was there on the 6th. I think he's playing this well.

[New Earth]

5. you are not alone

but i worry about his safety all the time, even while he is here in the U.S. These are serious times and i wouldn't put it past some nuts to try to endanger his life. I worry about his safety if he were to become President. I worry about his safety if he doesn't and remains a Senator. The most evil always go aftere the best, and he is one of the best, and it scares the shit out of me. We all just need to pray that he stays safe and has some kind of physical protection at all times.

[Firespirit]

6. I'm remembering Wellstone

Conjecture, but that was just too convenient.

:scared:

Thanks for the comforting words, everyone.

I guess it would be just too brash, even for them, to arrange "something" as all this was going down. And I don't think they have any control over the Iraq situation anyway.

OK, I'm going to talk myself out of a conspiracy theory. Still... Iraq.

[LittleClarkie]

7. I'm in your boat

We'll just have to start a prayer thread when he goes.

If yer not the prayin' kind, then just send positive energy, good thoughts, chant, whatever floats your boat.

I'd like to send him off with our good thoughts behind him.

But yeah, I hope he's got bodyguards on hand.

[zann725]

19. I think JK worries about it too. When he kept using the phrase,

"I've got your back." And liked people saying it back to him during the campaign. Even though it was a sign of good-luck, every time he mentioned it, it made me worry about him again. And the number of times he repeated it in the last few weeks of the campaign, I think reflected his own concerns. Once he becomes President, he'll have Secret Service again.
And while I worry about his safety, at the same time I truly believe it is STILL his destiny to be President. And I feel he's going to be 2-term. Let's send him protective thoughts.

[Senator]

8. It may well be the safest place to be.

I don't know his itinerary or when he's due back, but while he's overseas he's being protected by layers of professional, military security. Not impenetrable, but far better than anything here.

It's also occurred to me that one reason for the frustrating silence we're getting from some is that they're waiting to get back to the relative safety of the district (which currently operates as a quasi prison/police state - it's sad to see how much these cowards have surrendered to their raging paranoia).

So Kerry may be far safer under the protection of Assad in Syria than under the fatherland insecurity apparatus he'd have here.

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[EuroObserver]

9. I think you'd want to trust your military,

and security, given the right information, to do the right thing.

[marcologico]

10. right--don't forget how well the secret service did their job in 1963

[Carni]

29. Not to mention the Mr Bush/CIA of Houston Texas

That was interviewed about events on the grassy knoll in November
(Oh gee, silly me...I forgot they determined that was a different George Bush of Houston in the CIA)

[Alizaryn]

11. I had the very same thought wander through my mind.

Besides that, I'm convinced that his timing to be in Iraq is not in any way a coincidence. (Not sure what the reasons are but...)

[kerrygoddess]

12. my scenario for JK in Iraq

a huge speculative leap, he's going there because he must before jan 20th.

[corbett]

26. Good Call!

After he is inaugurated, he'll go in his capacity as CIC. However, going now allows him to return with the good will of thousands of troops who voted for him but had their vote ignored.

[bunny planet]

13. No Firespirit, you are not the only one. I am very afraid of JK going to

Iraq, even though I know it is a noble, brave and important thing to do. I'm afraid the * crime family will try and take him out under cover of all the chaos that goes on there all the time anyway. I worry about him being harmed by the insurgency too. I just hope he will be well protected (and taking as few small aircraft as possible).

[Wilms]

14. I'm vibin' military's got his back. n/t

[marcologico]

15. Apart from the justifiable paranoia it seems like a good political move

It seems timed to get him out of town during that Jan. 6 vote which would be a lose-lose for him, also bad if no senators contested, and tricky if they did and he didn't. Too bad he didn't manage a visit during the campaign but then the campaign isn't exactly over.

[TexasChick]

30. Wait, guys. I'm confused. I thought he wasn't suppose to go until the

20th or so, not before the 9th? Did he change it the date and I missed it? Thanks!

[burn the bush]

16. normally, i would have said, don't worry, but i've seen reports that

reporters are getting a little suspicious of the number of reporters that have been killed there. They were suggesting that it may not have all been enemy fire. Sorry no link. During a normal administration, i would not be concerned at all, but frankly i can't put anything past these bastards in office now. Would be awfully convenient for them if Kerry was to get suicided, I mean accidently killed there.
My final determination is that as long as the election is not turned, Kerry will not be a target in Iraq and will be pretty well protected.

[FreeCajun]

17. Abstention by Abscentia!

That's what he's saying here. And I am concerned for his safety, but unless things have really changed, a purple heart wins you some respect in some military circles.

[Firespirit]

18. Then let's hope that the people assigned to protect him...

...aren't Swiftie types.



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[FULL_METAL_HAT]

20. The safest place is where he is guarded by Military he trusts.

He has lots of buddies from Nam who are now Generals and the like.

I'm sure they have a lot more love for JK than for *...

[merh]

21. I fear for everyone in Iraq, not just Kerry.

Do you think Kerry has taken all of this into consideration? His wife is the widow of a senator who died in one of those "accidents". That same man was working with him as the repug investigating the BCCI.

I fear for Kerry at all times, but I think he is safer in Iraq. I think he knows he is safe with the military.

[spooked]

22. I can't wait to see what kind of welcome the military gives him!

I wonder if it will get any air time

[lonestarnot]

23. Not to worry. He "volunteering" to go.

:thumbsup:

[CoffeeCat]

24. Your feelings are understandable...

Given the past crimes of the Bush Family, of course you are justified in worrying about Kerry.

I'm worried too.

However, the man is smart. He understands the thuggery of BushCo, even better than all of us. He can take care of himself and I'm sure he's anticipated all of this.

I think it's totally justified to feel the way you do. We all know that BushCo is an amoral group of useless thug sociopaths. It's not a stretch to wonder what their next evil move will be.

I also worry about Colin Powell too, but that's another story...

Edited to add: One more positive aspect of Kerry's Iraq trip...If Kerry was present on 1/6--the focus of the day's events would be on Kerry. Can't you just see the media scrambling to interview Kerry? The day would be about Kerry. The day isn't about Kerry. It's about election fraud, democracy, free elections and the criminal actions of the Republicans. With Kerry gone, the focus remains where it should. Kerry is a smart, smart man.

[keepthemhonest]

25. yes yes

agreed.It is not about Kerry it is about Democracy being saved finally from it's four year hi-jack.

I immediately was concerned for him going over there,but I do think it is strategic and smart.If here was here in the US they would definately be trying to interview him.I worry about him though just like the troops I know they would be back here as soon as humanly possible if Kerry were in, because he values lives besides his own.

[corbett]

27. He's In Danger But It's Good For His Career And Troop Morale

There's no doubt that KKKarl would find it much easier to have Kerry picked off while in the Middle East than on our sovereign soil. However, being there is good for his career, good for troop morale and good for his Phoenix-like return stateside after the election challenge has begun.

[Carni]

28. I think your apprehension is well founded

I think Kerry is nuts to go to Iraq now if there is even the possibility of a challenge to the election.

Let's just hope for the best I guess!

I don't even need tinfoil to think bush and company would kill the opposition if they felt it necessary.

[DemonFighterLives]

31. I was initially worried

But I had a revelation while reading this thread. Maybe it is best that the Commander In Chief in waiting is with his military protection while the Cia and Fbi and remaining military usher out the illegal resident and straighten out the country. God I hope I'm right. The suspense is killing me. :9

[DemonFighterLives]

32. Where'd everybody go?

:kick: