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dzika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 03:13 AM
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Christine Todd Whitman breaks party silence - B* has lowest margin ever

Sunday, January 2, 2005; Page A09

It's Her Party and She'll Cry If She Wants To

By Mike Allen and John F. Harris
Sunday, January 2, 2005; Page A09

Christine Todd Whitman, the former New Jersey governor who was President Bush's first administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency, is violating the omerta of Bush alumni with a memoir that touts the importance of moderates to the future of the Republican Party and flays Bush and his team for ignoring the country's middle. Whitman charges on Page 3 that Bush's three-percentage-point margin in the popular vote is the lowest of any incumbent president ever to win reelection.

"The numbers show that while the president certainly did energize his political base, the red state/blue state map changed barely at all -- suggesting that he had missed an opportunity to significantly broaden his support in the most populous areas of the country," Whitman writes. "The Karl Rove strategy to focus so rigorously on the narrow conservative base won the day, but we must ask at what price to governing and at what risk to the future of the party."

Whitman was a bit of a misfit in the Bush Cabinet, coming in as a supporter of abortion rights and taking a job that is not a quick route to popularity in a GOP administration. She left in June 2003, clearly unhappy.

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A41511-2005Jan1.html
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 03:17 AM
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1. So in essence, the red staters are a finite number and he can't
get more than he's got. We have the potential to outnumber his butt in the long run.
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fearnobush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 03:36 AM
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8. We already have out numbered him... Them.
All they have to do is steal with in a 5% margin. As our urban areas expand and as our suburban areas become urban, they will become more Dem. In time, they Republicans of the future will be like the Dems of today if they want to keep their Elephant a bit more than lean.
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FreepFryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 03:18 AM
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2. smile - despots make enemies.
this story just gave me a nice smile.

Thanks! :)
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dave123williams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 04:44 AM
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17. Don't get too happy; despots cling on to power...

Look what we had to do to Berlin, Dresden and Tokyo to make some other despots give up their power...yes; I'm comparing Bush to other depots, for the lurking freepers amongst us. If the shoe fits...
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Jack_Dawson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 03:18 AM
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3. Where was she before the election?
Oh that's right...towing the line.

:eyes:
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fearnobush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 03:39 AM
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9. Thats right. As I read her nasty quotes to POTUS from O'Neill's book
"The Price Of Loyalty." Queen Whitman was towing the line for the Chimpster her in NJ.
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 03:20 AM
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4. A woman with guts
Bush has now shown his colors as an extremist especially against women's rights and the environment. As inept in these areas as he is in all other areas of governing, more and more decent Americans will dare speak up against his radicalism.
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Melissa G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 03:33 AM
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5. Kick!
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shawcomm Donating Member (877 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 03:36 AM
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6. I'm assuming
'margin' is code word for intelligence.
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dzika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 03:36 AM
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7. ha!
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 03:44 AM
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10. Haven't most of them?
"violating the omerta of Bush alumni"

How many books already? Not all "Bush alumni," but O'Neill, Clarke, Woodward. It seems people can't wait to spill. I hope their life insurance is up-to-date, though.

Also, I hope Colin's colon urges him to write a book.




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dzika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 03:56 AM
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13. "flays Bush and his team for ignoring the country's middle"
She sounds angry.

When will the real Republicans start fighting to get their party back?
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 03:59 AM
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14. I hope for it daily.
I would be pissed.
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Daisey Mae Donating Member (654 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 03:46 AM
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11. Good for Christine Todd Whitman!!!
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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 03:51 AM
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12. She is still reenforcing the idea that he won.
I didn't read the article but basically even someone who appears to have a bone to pick with Bush is saying how brilliant Rove is and that even though she disagrees with their methods, Bush won. Don't like it.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 04:01 AM
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15. by hook or crook Bush did win!!
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Raksha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 04:30 AM
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16. Mostly by crook. n/t
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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 06:32 AM
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20. Thank you. n/t
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 04:54 AM
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18. Whatever. Whitman is a 90's relic. She's as obsolete as the "Macarena".
This is not the Republican Party of Bob Taft, Dwight Eisenhower and Gerald Ford that Christie Whitman once felt at home in. Hell, it's not even the party of Newt Gingrich anymore...it's worse.
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andjustice4all Donating Member (57 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 05:37 AM
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19. Exactly.
Is that Abe Lincoln I hear rolling over in his grave? (again?????)
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 08:05 AM
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26. Good point, but it appears that's exactly what she's saying.
At least from the snippet, can't vouch for the whole book obviously.
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sled Donating Member (430 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 06:41 AM
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21. DICK MORRIS: Have Tricks, Will Travel - RE: Exit Polling & Ukraine
Read on down...the next piece is about Dick Morris. Interesting that they put these two pieces together...


(snip)

Morris's involvement in Yushchenko's campaign even bore several
signatures of the tactics that he made famous when he was working by
Clinton's side in the 1996 reelection campaign: clandestine meetings,
an emphasis on polls and even an attempt at "triangulation," which is
the consultant's fancy word for how politicians should capture the
political center.

In an interview, Morris said an acquaintance from a previous overseas
campaign put him in touch with Yushchenko's campaign manager. Morris
did not actually go to Ukraine. Because of security concerns, he said,
his meetings with campaign officials took place in an East European
capital he declined to name.

The consultant, who when working for Clinton was so poll-driven that
he took surveys about where the president should vacation, said his
main contribution to this campaign was to urge exit polling on
election day. By immediately publicizing the results, Yushchenko's
campaign would draw supporters into the streets to celebrate -- thus
presenting Ukrainian authorities with an angry mob if they tried to
tamper with the vote.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 11:25 AM
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30. Interesting, indeed--particularly Morris urging election day exit polling!
Apparently in the United States, our own exit polling must be maniuplated to achieve the "proper" outcome--Dubya being coronated again!
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roenyc Donating Member (824 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 06:49 AM
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22. Whitman is feeling guilty and trying
to make amends for saying the air over the WTC was just peachy. go ahead and breath deep everyone! your lungs are safe! bitch! she is just as bad as the devil she served.

she left or was fired because she couldn't take it anymore. but never came forward with the info. the fire fighters had to get sick before an investigation was done. so whatever she says now is just a bit late.

and how does one put the Governor of NJ in charge of the EPA. ha ha ha. sorry still a bit sensitive about the 9/11 cover up thing. and she is one part of it.
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catgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 07:17 AM
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23. What did she do for the environment?
NOTHING.
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Tony_Illinois Donating Member (590 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 07:58 AM
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24. There's a lot of reasons for that. She or nobody else under GWB will
do anything for the environment--except to roll back the regulatory protections that were in place when GWB took office. Over 300 rollbacks of environmental laws took place within the first three years of this administration. The goal of GWB is to remove the restrictions on corporate profits that are represented by environmental and wildlife regulations. Here is a sample--far from complete--list of the administration's record:

  1. The Superfund went bankrupt in 2003 after GWB refused to renew an environmental tax on the chemical and oil companies.
  2. GWB has introduced policies that allow greater use of many dangerous pesticides, greenhouse gasses, and deadly chemicals.
  3. The program that adds animals to the threatened and endangered lists has been defunded.
  4. GWB has made it easier to fill wetlands and streams.
  5. Wetlands, coastal areas, rivers, and public lands have all been affected by the removal of in-place protections by GWB.
  6. This administration employs Orwellian language to disguise the intent of its programs by giving them phony names. The "Healthy Forests" initiative which allows logging and clearing in old-growth forests. The "Clear Skies" program which is basically a rolling back of the Clean Air Act.


I too was angry with Christine Whitman for not doing more, but I now understand that she was not allowed to do more. I would have preferred she resign as soon as she got the message, but at least she is speaking out now.

Happy New Year :party:
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 08:04 AM
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25. What could she do for the environment?
NOTHING. That's probably part of why she left. Her job was meaningless and she was a rubber stamp.
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HockeyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 11:17 AM
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29. Ground Zero Air
I shudder to imagine what that air must have been like at Ground Zero and the general area. Three days after 9/11 the winds shifted and it came out here to Long Island - 50 miles away. We had people calling police precints, radio stations, asking what the hell was that horrible stench. We were told it was from Ground Zero. It burned your eyes and throat and made you cough after only a very very short time. We were told NOT to take the schoool kids outside for recess.

Remember, this was 3 days later and 50 miles away. I can only imagine what it was like around Downtown Manhattan.

And by the way, there are a number of lawsuits starting over all this with people getting sick from breathing that air.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 11:33 AM
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33. and christine lied to those working ground zero about the air
and Chrisinte lied to nyer's about the air , and she lied to the first responders about the air ..she is nothing but a damn liar!!

how many young and old people lungs have been destroyed by that blitches lies??
i can't stomach her..and i am a born jersey gal...and a just retired american airlines 33 yr flight crew..ny based...2001 ny AA flight attend of the year ...

i will tell you Christine is a lair a bold faced liar...

all the dogs that worked ground zero are now all dead...what does that tell you about "Christine"...she is filth..she sold her soul for this admin..but she sold the lungs and hearts of all those who cared and worked so hard , because they were good americans , and good souls...
i hope Christine rots in hell!!
fly
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sorechasm Donating Member (48 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 08:13 AM
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27. Karl, where was Christine's a medal of freedom
To keep her quiet?

I hear * will now have to start ordering these medals wholesale to keep all the CIA defectors from writing kiss-and-tell books.
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bklyncowgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 08:57 AM
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28. I'd take Christie's new found criticism with a grain of salt.
There's going to be an open Senate seat in Jersey when Corzine runs for governor. Dissing Shrub can only help Whitman in Jersey where we like our Republicans to be moderate country club types.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 11:25 AM
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31. "Whitman was a bit of a misfit in the * cabinet ..."
Translated, that means she wasn't a bobblehead.

Actually, the * administration is a misfit in American society. Eat that, WaPo.
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 11:28 AM
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32. I may start liking her, again.
She screwed new jersey, but maybe she's growing a heart. Like the grinch.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 11:36 AM
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34. please don't!
think of corroded lungs and hearts of the people who worked in ground zero that she destroyed their lives by her lies to cover for bush...
please..she is working for redemption she does not deserve!!
she is a liar and a pig!
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 11:36 AM
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35. now let me tell you what i really think!! lol...n/t
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VTGold Donating Member (438 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 12:23 PM
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37. They fail to mention Whitman was a RANGER level donator to Bush in 2004...
...this donation came in after she resigned. s'up with that?
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bunny planet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 01:25 PM
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38. Yeah, too bad for Christie, she left NJ's finances a mess when she left
to take her 'yesman' gig at Environmental Protection. I'm glad she's speaking out now though. Moderate Republicans have got to wake up. They are just as much an endangered species as Democrats if they don't fight back.
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