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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 09:07 AM
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National exit poll shows Kerry lead over Bush by 3%
This information is obtained from a key link from a post in the Election 2004 Forum:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

I thought that it would be important to post this information here, because the above post has a massive amount of information on it, and this is an attempt to sum up some of the key points. I also think that this is very interesting information, and deserves wide circultation.

I posted this on another forum in the hope of stimulating some interest in this issue outside of this forum, but that was not very successful, so I'm trying it here.

One of the key links is a paper by Jonathon Simons:
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/pdfs/PopularVotePaper181 ...
This paper points out that Kerry's lead in the final national exit poll, with 13,047 respondents, was 2.6%, and that the probability of the discrepancy between this and the official vote tally (2.8% in favor of Bush) happening by chance was close to a million to one. It also provides some of the explanations (but certainly not all of them) why the exit polls are probably a more likely reflection of voter intent than the official vote tally.

Here is the site of the full national exit poll data, updated to 7:33 on Tuesday evening:
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/pdfs/Mitofsky4zonedata/U ...
It shows Kerry with a 3% lead nationally (rounded to nearest percent), and contains 11,027 respondents.

Here is a summary of the demongraphic groups that helped put Kerry over the top. I have four columns in this table. The first lists the Demographic group. The second lists the percent of the poll sample that contained that demographic group. The third lists the spread for Kerry contained in that Demographic group (for example, if 60% voted for Kerry and 40% voted for Bush, the margin would be 20%). The fourth column lists the vote margin provided by that demographic group. That percent is obtained by multiplying columns 2 and 3 (for example, if females provided 50% of the sample, and their vote spread for Kerry was 10%, then the margin provided for Kerry by females would be 50% X 10% = 5%)

Group-------- % in sample----- Spread for K----- Margin for K
Female------- 54% ------------- 9% -------------- 4.9%
Black-------- 11% ------------ 80% -------------- 8.8%
<$15,000 inc.- 9% ------------ 33% -------------- 3.0%
Union house-- 24% ------------ 23% -------------- 5.5%
Postgrad deg. 17% ------------ 18% -------------- 3.1%
Democrat----- 38% ------------ 81% ------------- 30.8%
Liberal------ 22% ------------ 74% ------------- 16.3%
Moderate----- 45% ------------ 16% -------------- 7.2%
Jewish-------- 4% ------------ 54% -------------- 2.2%
Non-Evangel.- 78% ------------ 20% ------------- 15.6%
Occas relig.- 40% ------------ 13% -------------- 5.2%
No relig at.- 15% ------------ 32% -------------- 4.8%
Not military- 82% ------------- 7% -------------- 5.7%
Not married-- 38% ------------ 22% -------------- 8.4%
Gays---------- 4% ------------ 53% -------------- 2.1%
No gun in h.- 59% ------------ 20% --------------11.8%
Dec. last mo. 21% ------------ 15% -------------- 3.1%


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sickinohio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 09:13 AM
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1. The links above are not working
is there a problem with the links? Thanks
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gristy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 09:16 AM
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2. just remove the http:// from the links and they should work
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DeepGreen Donating Member (572 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 09:20 AM
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4. that didn't work for me either eom
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sickinohio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 09:22 AM
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6. that didn't work either; for some strange reason the links
went down really fast!!

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DeepGreen Donating Member (572 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 09:17 AM
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3. Could you check your scoop links ?
Edited on Sun Jan-02-05 09:28 AM by DeepGreen
I am getting 404 - file not found errors on them. Could be
the server(s) are down for maintenance or the pages don't
exist anymore?

The night of the election, I had a number of sites up
watching the precentages. I saw the change happen within
a very short period of time. I don't remember the exact
hour/minute but until 6:00 or 7:00, Kerry was being
shown with a 51% to 49% lead then the data switched.
There have been reports on this. The Berkley report
was very good. Very odd, and the almost statistically
impossible. If you don't get a lot of response, it could
be that this info is (or flavors of it) known, which
is why there have been and will be fraud protests.

Thanks
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 09:21 AM
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5. Time for change: Here's how to fix the links...
Edited on Sun Jan-02-05 09:27 AM by Junkdrawer
You did a cut-and-paste of some long links from the original post.

To fix, edit your post and overwrite the links by right clicking on the original link, select "Copy Shortcut", and then paste over the bad links.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 09:42 AM
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7. I think these are the links...
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 10:14 AM
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8. Thank you Junkdrawer
Those links work for me.

Also, I think that the summary in my original message is interesting information by itself -- at least to me it is.
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DeepGreen Donating Member (572 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 11:50 AM
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9. Thanks Junkdrawer
They work for me too!
Savin' them.
:)

Does anyone know how many Universities have
done similar analysis and shown the same or
type of results?

How can the Democratic Party "our so called Party",
not run with this ?? Are they afraid of the repugs,
the evangilists, or what ?
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