Do You Think The Current Fight Against Election Fraud...

[Blue Christmas]

is the most important struggle that has been undertaken in your lifetime?

Since I'm a relative newcomer to this planet (born 1974), and since I'm currently pumped full of cold medicine (but still can't sleep), this seems like a no-brainer to me: yes - the current fight against election fraud (and, more specifically, the stolen recent elections) is the most important struggle of my lifetime.

More seasoned earthgoers, I suppose, would have a tougher task in answering this question due to other incredibly important struggles that were enacted during their time here.

And maybe it's a stupid enterprise anyway to try and quantify human struggles and their relative importance. The only reason I'm even thinking about quantifying it (besides too much Nyquil) is because this time this struggle seems to be about almost EVERY American citizen. It seems to me that we are ALL disenfranchized when our votes are stolen.

Ah, well - perhaps I shouldn't be posting when I'm sick and (relatively) cognitively impaired, but please don't get me wrong here: every struggle for justice and equal rights has been in most ways an equally important and holistic part of the whole of our democratic history.

It just seems to me that we can best continue the work done and won in previous battles only if we win against this current scourge. Am I being too melodramatic and naive here? Or is this the most important fight of our lifetimes?

Discuss (I suppose I don't have to write that on a message board, heh).

And regardless of whether you agree or dis... I hope to see you in DC on the 5th and 6th. And the 20th, for that matter. Peace all, and keep fightin' the good fight!

[autorank]

1. DXM or not, you make a lot of sense!!!! Welcome to DU!!!

Election reform is the predicate issue since all others flow from that; you can't make changes unless you get your folks elected. I don't understand why this is even controversial. Even without a good Jesuit education, I can figure out the logic of this!

[Virginian]

2. There were other important issues,

such as Civil Rights and ending involuntary servatude, but if we don't get our "problems" with voter fraud fixed, we will be in a dictatorship and those issues will no longer be allowed to be issues.

[LearnedHand]

3. It's at least PART of it.

Welcome to DU, Blue Christmas. :hi:

Certainly, what's happened to our country over the last 4 years -- including election fraud -- is the biggest, scariest struggle in my lifetime. Until 4 years ago, I had NO IDEA how the Nazis could have caused the German people to behave as they did. Now I understand -- completely.

The election fraud and irregularities seem to be just a part of the whole, suddenly very scary tectonic shift in the soul of our country.

[HomerRamone]

4. I was just barely too young for the Vietnam draft

but I would say yes. Heard about McCarthy, survived Nixon and Reagan, but I never before felt like all the progress of the last 70? 700? years could be destroyed...

[understandinglife]

5. I'm 57: saw and experienced plenty; this is the closest our...

...democracy has come to being destroyed, not just in my life time but since Jefferson Davis said his goodbye to the US Senate.

We either halt that process on the 6th of Jan 2005, seek out and prosecute all involved, or we are no longer "America" -- we're a totalitarian superpower: unbound, unelected and unaccountable.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

[Machiavelli05]

13. Jefferson Davis wasnt threatening democracy

He just was saying he didnt want to be a part of it.

[understandinglife]

16. Well, I think his actions went beyond just leaving the room ;-) (n/t)

[Pithy Cherub]

6. This struggle represents orders of magnitude greater than this election.

America has said what it stands for but will it continue under the same premise? Disenfranchising people is a remnant of a past that shames America. For it to continue in the 21st century undercuts America's claims about freedom and democracy to the rest of the world. If your word is no longer credible as a person, a government a nation, what is left?

[slay]

7. Brainwashing by the media, and government most important - election fraud

is up there though, and an excellent place to begin to fight. Eventually though, people are going to start waking up and realize that we don't need others to tell us how to live and we will reject the worldview the government and the media have created for us. Scott Peterson is not news. We are told what is news, what is right, what to care about, and how to live. Most people's thoughts are not truly their own. We are constantly being told how to live by society, religion, government, which we then share and reinforce between each other. What was the score of football game, actress soandso is now dating actor genericguy. One day, we will need none of it. Our entire lives are mapped out for us. But only if we play their game. It's not Bush. Bush is only a problem because of the power and money he has. I know many otherwise good people who voted for Bush. Don't hate the players, hate the game - it brings out the worst in some, and the best in others. But the game as it is today is truly flawed - in favor of the rich, the powerful, and widespread corruption.

[Blue Christmas]

8. Thanks for the welcomes, and...

just to add a little to what I posted above (things come a bit more slowly to me through my non-prescription drug haze) - well, you all have already stated it better than I could, but here goes anyway: without the fundamental foundation of our representatives actually representing who (and what) we voted for, it becomes ever more difficult to further the progression of the other fights.

I know Will Pitt got a little bit of guff for his "It's a great time to be alive" thread, but in this way I completely agree with him. Because fighting on this front seems to be so vital toward the continuance of all the great struggles that came before me - those which I did not have the privilege to join.

[slay]

12. Well said

I am truly honored to be fighting the good fight alongside all of you good people. :toast:

[RevCheesehead]

9. Yes, I do.

to keep it short and sweet:

Watergate was disillusioning to many, who couldn't believe that politicians, in our government, would lie and cheat. (I was young then, about 10). But election fraud has shown just how corrupt these a**holes really are, and how they believe they are "above the law."

[Amaryllis]

10. Yes! I was around for Vietnam. And the civil rights movement. If they have

our elections, they have the courts, congress...the executive, legislative and judicial branches, or in other words, the entire federal government. I have often thought this must be what it was like in Germany during Hitler's rise to power for those who could see the writing on the wall.

The difference is that they didn't have the internet in Germany. Thank God for the internet! It allows us to be our own media, to organize, coordinate, communicate, create, to inspire each other, and to mobilize within hours. This gives me hope that working together we can change the direction of our country.

Keep the faith, you wonderful fellow travelers!

[Alizaryn]

11. It is the most important fight of our life time because...

Any and all power that we as individuals have comes from our voices which speak through a simple vote. I believe that this is the breaking point. If we allow things to continue uninterrupted, our votes will be nothing more then a piece of paper given to us by smiling faces to do nothing more then placate our desires to feel hear.

The political/corporate/religious (I hate calling it religious because it is FAR from reflecting the wisdom of any holy book) powers will continue to run the elections with their machines, attaining the results that they desire. How they see as best for themselves.

[Greybnk48]

14. civil rights cont.

I'm 56 and what I'm seeing today is vaguely familiar--vaguely familiar since I'm white. Our freedoms are being taken away, we are told to watch what we say (or we're traitors), Chimpy McAwol will decide who has rights and conversely who does not, etc., etc. He reminds me of the stereo-typical southern sheriff. Some people have lived their entire lives in areas of this country being treated this way and feeling powerless.

The majority of the people who were disenfranchised on Nov. 2 were Black (African Americans, et. al.)at least in Ohio. I don't think this is anything new in this country. What is new is that the net has been expanded and has affected many of us who are not accustomed to being treated this way--beginning in 2000 in Fla. What bothers me the very most about this election is the blatant racism that took place and the power the neocon's now have to get away with it. I may be wrong, but I can't shake the feeling that we are being taken over by a group that could accurately be labeled "white supremacists" among other things.

[Old Mouse]

15. This is the most important fight in human history

Never before has such technological power - economic, environmental and destructive - been under the command of a small criminal group with so retarded a sense of moral obligation... A group whose greed so outweighs their common sense as to be fantastic.

Every moment this cabal maintains their illegal grip on power mankind inches closer to annihilation.

[Blue Christmas]

17. kick, because...

a) I'm still interested in other peoples' answers to this

and

b) the replies in this thread have really psyched me up for Jan 6th and beyond (as if I needed any MORE motivation ;))! Hope they do the same for you. Peace, everyone.