Just met a "Republican for Kerry" and I was floored!

[sportndandy]

He was not shocked when I brought up electoral fraud. In fact, he already seemed to think Specter would stand up against the election on Jan. 6. Needless to say I am still picking up my jaw off the ground. A lot of people are aware of the fraud and that includes thinking republicans.

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[Jo March]

5. Why would it be a joke?

Why don't you say what you mean, crunch?

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[Jo March]

18. Um, at the POLLS having their votes stolen

or haven't you been paying attention??

Put the kool aid down and pay attention now! :hi:

[merh]

50. LOL - Hey, you know they have hang over medication that

contains activated charcoal, just like they use in the hospital for overdose patients. (CNN did a story on hang over remedies for the New Year - that's important you know, nothing else going on in our world.) Maybe we could get a bunch of those and slip them to our friends who drink the kool aide!

[Jo March]

56. Friends don't let friends drink Kool-aide.

It's a sad, sad thing when it happens. Lives and families ruined. Won't somebody please think of the children?!?

[merh]

58. My family won't put it down - is there a support group, like

Alanon? :shrug:

:think: Well, of course there is, it is DU!


What are they hiding? :shrug: What are they afraid of? :think:

[Jo March]

61. My family loves it! They can't get enough of it. nt

[merh]

73. So, this is our Koolanon!

If I could find their damn source, I would put an end to it!

[Jo March]

92. One day they'll be in the gutter and I'll recognize them as I walk by

"Mom? Moma, is that you?"

She'll be on the street because she has no savings and depends on SS which * will privatize. Also, she had her overtime cut out by * so she wasn't able to save on her own. She'll have a tin cup and a sign, "Help me. I voted for * and all I got was this lousy grate."

And she'll still support *!

[hootinholler]

70. They weren't stolen....

The results were ajdusted according to divine will.

-Hoot

[Jo March]

93. LOL! Too funny! nt

[hootinholler]

96. Wasn't a joke. N/T

-Hoot

[txindy]

79. I know quite a few of them who voted for John Kerry

They're too intelligent to vote for Junior simply because he's labelled himself a republican. The real republicans know that their party is in serious jeopardy. Small government? Under Junior? Yeah, right. :eyes:

Real republicans voted for John Kerry. Here in Texas, too.

[stlsaxman]

89. and I'll betcha dollars to doughnuts that one of them was Pat Buchanan n/t

[Indiana_Dem]

no joke! I frequently go look on the

[e-mail]. I never post there because I'm a registered Democrat and they don't like anyone other than Republicans to post. I tried to post something there once and said I was a Democrat but they never posted it! But they are almost like the Greens with this voting issue!

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[Jo March]

28. Whatever! :)

:hi:

[Peace Patriot]

55. Many Republicans for Kerry

Arnebeck, in one of his first interviews, mentioned Republican precincts in southern Ohio, I believe, where Republican votes for Kerry were changed or deleted or something (don't remember the details). And he thought that Republican precincts were a good place to look for BushCon election fraud (because not so obvious as, say, a precinct with 88% Dem registration going for Bush). I haven't read his brief yet. It may be in there. Arnebeck himself is a Republican (obviously of the old school variety--that is, honest and sane).

I've sure read a whole lot of stories of people's Republican uncles and conservative Dads (etc.), or flag-waving neighbors, turning against Bush and voting for Kerry--to the astonishment of the persons reporting it. I have a lot of such stories in my own personal circle. The two main issues always mentioned were the deficit and the war. And I have one friend who reported to me of a very Republican condo complex--retired military, doctors, wealthy folks, etc.--ALL of whom thought Bush was nuts.

I DO think this means something! But until we have transparent election results--which could only occur, it seems to me, at this point, with a re-vote--we may never know for sure. (But perhaps data analysis can ferret it out, re-vote or not.)

[abbiehoff]

77. Republicans for Kerry in Butler county Ohio.

I know a number of Republicans for Kerry in southern Ohio. Here in Butler county all local politics are Republican politics and as a result some people are registered Republican just to be taken seriously politically. Many of these people not only voted for Kerry, but actively campaigned for him as well. I also know people who have never voted for a Democrat in their lives who voted for Kerry this time. I think Arnebeck is absolutely correct to be looking at southern (especially south-western) Ohio for vote switching. Just from my totally unofficial polling, Kerry should have done much better than Gore in Butler county.

[Chimpanzee]

59. Whatever you say!!

:smoke:

[sportndandy]

7. no joke

saw his bumpersticker so I started a quick conversation. He was way ahead of me.

[Pacifist Patriot]

21. I don't think so because I know one IRL too.

[JoMama49]

36. I am a member of RepublicansforKerry 04, and they are a great

group. They have been talking election fraud since they realized the election was stolen late the night of November 2nd!!! We should embrace these folks, especially since Jomama is one of them!

[merh]

54. JoMama49

:hug: I embrace you and thank you for all of your efforts! :grouphug: A belated welcome to DU! :hi: Damn glad to greet you!

[Liberty Belle]

60. Yes, I have a friend in Republicans for Kerry, and he agrees

this election was rigged.

[glitch]

67. And MarkusQ - I haven't seen her around lately though. Consider yourself

embraced!
:grouphug:

[bunny planet]

71. Great to have you here JoMama.

[stlsaxman]

90. A question for you Joe-

Are there any "activist" members of RFK? I guess I just want to know how much, if any, work they're doing in this cause. Don't mean to quantify or insinuate anything, just curious.

Reading your post has warmed the cackles of my heart. Thanks.

[emcguffie]

99. hugs and some laurels to you! n/t

[gotitans2]

2. Oh sure

I was talking to a friend who knows someone who knows someone in D.C., who said that Bill Frist will be the one :).

[Jo March]

13. Bill Frist is a cat killer. Can't see him standing up for civil rights.

Can't see him doing much of anything but keeping the fascist dream alive for *.

BTW, your post was just hysterical.

[Straight Shooter]

17. Don't feed the trolls.

It only makes them uglier.

[sportndandy]

19. are you insinuating something?

[Straight Shooter]

31. No, I'm coming right out and saying it.

Sarcastic responses to genuine posts, with remarks like "ha ha" and "I was talking to a friend who knows someone who knows someone in D.C., who said that Bill Frist will be the one," it seems to me that such posters are solely interested in squashing the notion that a Repub would vote for Kerry. That type of response is indicative of a troll who doesn't care to learn the facts.

Five of my good friends are Repubs, and they all voted for Kerry.

[sportndandy]

49. Oh. sorry

For some reason I thought I was being called a troll for starting the thread. I couldn't understand it and I thought it was my post number.

[merh]

57. Welcome to DU, sportndandy!

It takes a bit to get used to the format of the thread here, but once you do, you can't stand the other forums. Look in the upper right and you will see the post number that the DUer is responding to. It may end up under your post, but that does not mean it is in response to your post. You both replied to the same post, you first, then Straight_Shooter followed.

A hearty welcome :hug: Enjoy the discourse, but keep in mind, their are some very passionate, intelligent, witty and opinionated folks on DU. Welcome & Enjoy! :hi:

[Straight Shooter]

65. sportndandy, I never look at post counts in that light

But one of the posters who responded to you is crawling from thread to thread, leaving traces of slime in its wake.

Sometimes it just looks like we've been targeted by a post. In that instance, just in case, check out the "reply to #" at the upper right hand of the poster's message box, and it will show you who they're actually responding to.

I like your post; I think it makes a great point, and I'm sorry for not mentioning that it's good news to hear of a Repub who is aware of the fraud issue.

Welcome to DU! :hi:

[gotitans2]

100. self delete

[gotitans2]

101. I was trying to make a point.

I was not saying that no Repubs would vote for Kerry. In fact, I know two who did just that.

[Jo March]

39. I forgot! :) I try so hard to be good

and not feed them but they are so cute and fluffy!

[Straight Shooter]

68. Cute and fluffy?

Compared to trolls, a rabid skunk is cute and fluffy :D

[Jo March]

94. It's a reference to "Lilo and Stitch" LOL, you can tell I have kids nt

[Jo March]

3. I'm not surprised. Many, many people can't stand * and like Kerry

It's not a surprise to me. I'm glad to hear your story, though, because it underscores what we've been saying all along:

* did not win this election. No way. No how.

[ashmanonar]

42. well...

my grandpa, a STAUNCH republican, voted for kerry...bc he liked his views on healthcare and social security better...(my grandma voted for bush tho, so they kinda cancelled each other out)

[Jo March]

44. I like to think that I cancelled out the freeper in my office

That makes me smile just thinking about it.

[joeunderdog]

88. Bush is an ANTI-Democrat, not a republican

For whatever votes he did actually get, he rode the coattails of blind, entrenched hatred of the Liberal views. His platform is not Republican at all. His constituents are defined by anger and opposition.

[TexasChick]

4. If he is a "Republican for Kerry" person, he MIGHT belong to this group:

http://www.republicansforkerry.com. Another DUer said that they were all over this fraud thing.

Of course, I went to their forums now and again, and they had the biggest freeptard troll posting all the time over there telling them that they weren't true Republicans, yada, yada, yada. You know the drill.

[Jo March]

8. Much love for Repubs for Kerry!

It makes sense - * is not a repub. He's a fascist!

[sunnystarr]

51. When I clicked on your link it took me to Kerry's website.

So is there is still a www.republicansforkerry.com?

[TexasChick]

63. There were too links. The one above which I think is now gone, it looks.

The other one was: www.republicansforkerry04.org

It looks to be not updated anymore. Read the "Farewell" in the top, middle section when you first go to the site.

I think there was a www.republicansforkerry.org. Try that one. I may have gotten the .com and the .org messed up.

[electropop]

6. I have met or spoken with many Repubs for Kerry.

Thinking Repubs are apalled at the way their formerly honorable party has been hijacked by Fascists. Many became as passionate about defeating Bush as we are. I was surprised when phone-banking, how many Repubs were planning to vote for him.

[Jo March]

9. Again - this just proves that * did not win the election

Kerry reached out and touched a lot of people. They heard his message and liked it.

I just wish that Kerry wouldn't listen to the MSM!!!

[BurgherHoldtheLies]

11. We do exist. Not all Republicans drink the Koolaid. nt

[Jo March]

14. Amen and welcome to DU

:hi:!

[BurgherHoldtheLies]

20. Thanks for the welcome.

:D

[Jo March]

41. You're welcome for the welcome!

LOL!

[sportndandy]

24. Thanks it has been my refuge since Nov 2.

[Jo March]

43. I lurked for a long time and finally joined up

Now I'm hooked!

[AtLiberty]

12. I know dozens of Republicans who voted for Kerry...

...the most compelling evidence that Kerry won.

[Jo March]

Yep. There were many many repubs who I know who

voted for Kerry. :)

* did NOT win the election.

[sabra]

15. I know a few myself...

Voted * in 2k, Kerry in '04. IMO there many more out there...

[gotitans2]

22. Sadly my wife voted for * in 2004.

She voted for Gore in 2000. She was a "security mom". She already has buyer's remorse.

[TexasChick]

26. Really? What's causing her to have buyer's remorse, gotitans2? Is it

just a feeling she's getting or is one of Chimp's policies affecting her now?

[gotitans2]

38. Wife is coming around

She hates him with a passion, but felt that we were safer with him than Kerry. Her argument to me was that nothing else mattered if the US was not safe from attack. She said after 9/11 that if we were not attacked again she would vote for *. It almost wrecked the marriage so I am not going to gloat now that she realizes she may have made a mistake and that it is only by a miracle that we have not been attacked on our own soil again.

[TexasChick]

48. Thanks. Well, I don't know if you agree or not, and that's okay because

we all have different opinions. I think these neoCONS in the WH were behind 9/11. Doesn't she realize that Osama and the Bushits go way back? Of course, there's more on why I think they were behind it, but too long to go into detail.

I still don't realize how she thinks she made a mistake if she said if we weren't attacked again, she'd vote for the Chimp. Isn't that the reason she voted for the PNAC/neoCON? We haven't been attacked so, doesn't she feel safe? Why feel like she made a mistake now? Hmmm, I think your wife may be a bit confused. I'm glad it didn't wreck your marriage though. :hi:

[Verve]

53. Gotitans, I had a similar experience, yet my hubby voted for * in 2000

and came around (on his own) right before the IRAQ war. He now can't stand Shrub and wholeheartedly supported Kerry.
I've learned it's best not to talk about politics with my hubby. Shrub is such an idiot, I'm sure many of his supporters will have voter's remorse soon. Hopefully, they'll remember that in 2008 when Jeb tries to run.

[BurgherHoldtheLies]

29. As a "security mom" Republican, I voted for Kerry....

Why, you may ask: Terrorism is fought through information gathering and credible intelligence. How does W's policy of p*ssing off the rest of the world lead to better intelligence to combat terrorism?!?!? I found Kerry's pledge of restoring relationships with key allies a much more intelligent approach to fighting terrorism.

[SueZhope]

52. excellent point ModRepubinPA

I never understood the many
that bought the were safer with bush kool-aid
It defied reality and logic.

[sabra]

33. I know a few of those too

One "security mom" was telling me that how Sadam, OBL, it's all the same thing, and how she was scared for her son...

Never the less, I would say I know more cross over's to Kerry than moms for *.

[Chimpanzee]

62. Scared for her son? When's he get to draft age?

[sabra]

72. That's what I said...

couldn't get her to understand that... The juice wasn't worth the squeeze on that one.

[Der Blaue Engel]

80. And the divorce is final when?

Sorry. Couldn't help myself. :evilgrin:

Welcome to DU; and start hiding her Kool-Aid. :D

[Woodstock Liberal]

23. As much as I would love to see Sen. Specter

stand up and contest the Ohio delegation I doubt he will. Look as what hell he had to pay when he mearly suggested that Judicial nominees need to be moderate.

[sportndandy]

27. Oh I agree.

Spectre has no reason to. He just got six new years, he has every reason not to. But the fact that a republican thought he would floored me because I didn't expect him to be so well informed on the issue.

[Chimpanzee]

64. Maybe he's not done getting even!

[CoffeeCat]

69. I agree with you that Specter is a long shot...

...but it's interesting to ponder about Specter. He became a Republican chew toy after making his "supreme court nomination" remarks.

Specter wasn't asked to retract outrageous statements. He was forced to denounce his own heartfelt, long-held opinions.

I actually felt sorry for Specter, making the media rounds--contradicting his common-sense beliefs--for which he is well known.

Specter was brown beaten into selling his soul. That was the price he paid for remaining head of the Senate Judiciary Committee.

Specter must be seething. He must hate those bastards with a white-hot passion of a thousand burning suns.

It's interesting to wonder if all of that will come into play on the 6th.

Specter said that the sky was blue. The Republicans were aghast, insisting that the sky was purple with pink polka dots. They forced Specter to state--repeatedly and on every media outlet in the solar system--that he never believed that the sky was blue and that it truly is purple with pink polka dots.

That's got to have an effect on a person.

[No Exit]

25. I live in a "red" state, and

I assure you, there are many, many, many people who are/were not what one would call liberal or democrat, who WANT THESE SUCKERS (Bush-Cheney) GONE!

I was never a republican, but I admit to having voted for them sometimes. I was never a democrat...yes, have voted for some of them, too... Which will I choose from here on out? Democrats--EVERY time! And/or the Greens, who have been very impressive throughout this post-election ordeal. And we must give credit to the Libertarians, too, they were part of making things happen.

So 3 parties seem to remember that they actually have constituents (um, that would be, PEOPLE), and are actually trying to respond to their constituents. Republicans, on the other hand, seem to ignore the fact that there are actual PEOPLE out here. Republicans need to be removed from our national political scene forever. I can never forgive them for all the evil they have done us.

In case you didn't already know, most of these "red" states aren't half as "red" as the powers-that-be want you to think!

One thing about your post did surprise me, though... SPECTER?!?

[ashmanonar]

47. this blue state/red state stuff is ridiculous anyways...

an artifact of the electoral college...i'd much rather see the popular vote be the only thing that mattered, then we wouldn't have people cursing "red" states, or blue states, which in all likelyhood, all are pretty purple...

[No Exit]

66. It sure is. It's a media creation, and

the "red-blue" crap is of course being eagerly seized upon by politicians whose strategy is DIVIDE AND CONQUER.

[Peace Patriot]

78. Yeah, I agree. And we don't KNOW how the "red" states voted, really.

I make no judgments about so-called "red" states--until we have a verifiable election. I think, based on the evidence we have, that it's very likely that some of them went for Kerry. Also, close to half of the voters in any state that went for Bush, even in the given election "results," voted for Kerry.

It used to be that, when a president was elected, he then began to represent ALL of the people--maybe just in lip service, maybe just symbolically, but more often with some genuineness. That's what a president is FOR. The office was a substitute king--with extremely curtailed powers (originally)--representing the land, the people and their welfare, and the unity needed to act as a nation.

The BushCons don't seem to have a clue about this. They have no desire to represent us all, and no concept of "consent of the people" except as a total farce and dumbshow (like Bush's vetted crowds during the campaign). They are not even "political," in the sense that "politics is the art of compromise." You could also say that democracy itself is 'the art of compromise." And they don't get it. It seems quite alien to them.

Our democracy has never been in so much danger--with people running every aspect of it who don't believe in democracy, who aren't really political, and who have no interest in the welfare of the people as a whole.

[art3]

30. sent him

sent letter to wyden via thedeanpeople.com free fax

[Pam-Moby]

32. Possibly

We may see some true patriotic Republicans stand up because of all of the suppression that took place. That would be AWESOME!!!! :headbang:

[nadinbrzezinski]

34. That is becuase this is not a party issue

those who love their country are Americsans, not republicans or democrats or left handed widget

We are patriots, in the truest sense of the word

[AmerDem]

35. Specter will never ever contest.

I'm stuck with this guy and Santorum and neither one of these repukes would ever consider doing something like that. Specters head would be placed on a stick.

[mattclearing]

37. Specter was on the Warren Commission. He's a team player.

eom

[stlsaxman]

91. Was he really? I thought that Gerald Ford was the last living member

of the Warren Commission?

[mattclearing]

97. No, I'm pretty sure he was in it.

Not one of the actual commissioners, though.

"The chief architect of the 'single bullet theory' was the Warren Commission's ambitious junior counsel, Arlen Specter."

This was the third result when googling "arlen specter warren commission."

updated for added info.

[BurgherHoldtheLies]

40. As a fellow PA resident, I agree with you. nt

[Lugnut]

95. Agreed

Specter got a firm slapdown that put him immediately in his place. I'd faint if he contested.

[AmerDem]

45. Mr. One Bullet Man

The murders drew up the scenario and smooth talking Specter delivered the message.

edit; oops this was suppose to be a reply to a statement above.

[Nothing Without Hope]

46. Here's what Conyers said about Repub congressional support

in an interview published Dec 21at Salon.com, which somehow seems a very long time ago. At that time he was still saying publically that he wasn't certain that he would challenge the vote Jan 6, though he may already have made up his mind privately. What he says about his Repub colleagues in this interview is consistent with some Repubs opposing what happened with the election fraud and/or racist voter suppression, but being nervous about being open about it.

We need to keep our minds open to the fact that there is potential support from some Republicans of integrity and not automatcially classify them all together as dead losses to be reviled when they're not being ignored. That's a mistake that will turn away people we need to join us in our fight to uphold democracy and the rule of law in the country.

Here's the link for the Conyers interview:
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2004/12/21/conyers/index_np.html

I'll bold what Conyers says in this exerpt; the unbolded text is the interviewer's questions.

(snip)
You haven't exactly enjoyed a groundswell of support from other members of Congress. Are there Democrats in Congress who support what you're doing but won't come forward and say so publicly?

Well, there are Republicans who support what I'm doing who haven't been willing to come forward. Look, calling for fair elections is not the most radical thing in the world. We're not positing some revolutionary theory here. We're asking that the people who complained be given a fair hearing.

Have any Republicans actually told you that they support your efforts?

I'd rather not comment on that.

Are you surprised that none of them have said so publicly?

No, not really. If you had a majority leader like theirs, you'd probably think twice about it yourself.
(snip)

[Quakerfriend]

74. Yes, the converts are most definitely out there

You'll all be tickled to know that I got my response from Rick Santorum. Here are a few choice quotes for your reading pleasure. Try not to:puke:

"I was pleased that voter fraud did not play a significant part in the election's outcome."

"I am pleased that Congress took the approp. steps to reform our voting system. I am confident that the Congress will protect the rights of the voting public by ensuring equal opportunity...bla, bla, bla.

I had half a mind to write back to him and ask if he had found a LEGAL way to educate his children yet!!

OK I'll try to calm down now.;-)

[BurgherHoldtheLies]

82. Did you expect more from that man? I didn't even get a reply from him

I called his DC office re: his Penn Hills scandal in December and was told by his office that I would receive a letter explaining his position...got ziltch. He has got to go in 06...keep the issue of STEALING money from poor Penn Hills alive in his Senate campaign. I make sure to share this story with family/friends and will remind them of the scandal as the election gets closer.

[EC]

75. If Hastart, Delay and Bush/Chaney

threatened him with the old "you'll never be voted into office again" routine, they've been pulling and Specter knows they can do that because the vote is rigged...he just may want them outta there badly enough to stand...He did look very pissed when retracting his judges will be put to a litmus test bit....and he looks like the type that believes in vendetta....

[Vektor]

76. I met a Republican for Kerry...

When I worked for my local Dem office. He walked in the day before the election and stated "I'm a Republican - FOR KERRY!" I jumped up and started applauding, and the whole office followed suit. He said "wow...Republicans are not nearly as nice as you guys..."

[txindy]

81. LOL! I can just picture that.

Thanks for sharing that, Vektor. :hi:

Unfortunately, that man is right, IMO. The good thing is that, now, he realizes it.

[Vektor]

83. It was very cute!

I think he's converted for life. We gave him candy just to make sure. :-)

[flashsmith]

84. I'm an old Republican and I voted for Kerry

I am a registered Republican in NJ. I believe that people who work for a living shouldn't have to pay for those who don't and this is all I asked of my party. I would have voted Republican in 2004 but my party didn't put forth a candidate. Instead, the Fascist party put forth GWB and called themselves Republicans. After viewing the FBI torture memos, I believe I have been mistaken and it was actually the Nazi party that put forth GWB. In history class, I learned about the Nazi's and the big lie. How, if lies are repeated long enough and loud enough, people will believe them. I remember thinking, "How can people be so dumb?" I never thought I'd see the day it would occur in America. Bush, in conjunction with Fox news is now accomplishing the very same thing. Prior to the election, I would ask anyone who volunteered that they were voting for Bush what channel they watched for news. Everyone single one replied Fox. Thank god I can't stand Fox news or I too would have fell victim.
I've asked many people why they voted for Bush and many replied "Bush will protect us" and I had to ask why they thought that. Didn't they see Richard Clarks testimony in the paper or TV on how Bush let the ball drop? To paraphrase a quote from Monica Lewinsky, Bush is the kind of friend who pushes a piano out the window, runs downstairs, and pulls you out of the way in the nick of time. I suspect that the Richard Clark story was either not reported on Fox or they painted him as someone wearing a tin foil hat.
In NJ, we have a concept known as being Florio'd. Jim Florio was a NJ governor who actively campaigned against raising taxes, but a few weeks after taking office enacted a state income tax. So, if a candidate reneges on a promise, that's just politics, but if he/she does the exact opposite, you've been Florio'd. After election in 2000, if Bush did anything at all about a campaign promise, he did the opposite so the whole country was Florio'd. People in NJ are sensitive to this which is one of the reasons Kerry did so well here.
At some point, and I can't tell you when it happened, I went from believing Bush was innocent but incompetent to believing he was corrupt and shrewed. I now believe instead of bringing tax relief, he was actually buying votes. I believe he deliberately caused the 2004 downturn to become a recession. He was afraid the economy would bottom out too late in his term to recover by election time so he hurried it along by giving a speech in Kalamazoo, MI declaring the economy is going down the toilet, creating a self fulfilling prophecy. I wonder why 9/11, a plan years in the making, was executed on a day Bush wasn't in the White House. I wonder if 50 million people would have died if the Brits hadn't stepped in at the last minute to stop that flu vaccine from shipping. I wonder if the Bush doctrine of preemptive strike is bringing about WW-III, something my generation has feared it's entire life. I wonder why Bush is deliberately contaminating an entire food group(fish) with mercury. causing brain damage across the planet. I wonder why Bush thinks the water needs more arsenic. I think Bush is actually the Bushinator. He will not rest, will not stop until each and everyone of us is dead.


And that is why I voted for Kerry.

[katinmn]

85. You're right about the Bush team being fascists

I also believe that Moderate Republicans are truer to the original beliefs of the GOP. These new conservatives, neocons and theocons, are diametrically opposed to historical Republican ideas.

I like this article "Just What is a Moderate Republican?" http://redtory.tripod.com/id1.html

If you read through the list of beliefs, they are ones I wish our eelcted officials from both parties would aspire to:

A passion for civil liberties;
A disdain for conformity and suspicion of authority;
A belief that the Constitution is a living, breathing document with timeless values that must be made relevant in a modern age;
A commitment to protect the environment and not engage in mindless exploitation of the nation's natural beauty. A spirited case must be made for reusable energy sources like solar power. Modern technology provides many options before the earth is harshly, brutally, and needlessly pillaged.
A strong belief that diversity -- gender, racial, social, sexual, ethnic, and religious -- should be celebrated because it gives the United States moral strength. Diversity -- in the long-term, encourages respect, understanding, and a greater sense of community;

and more..

I could live with a Moderate Republican, but not a fascist.

BTW, Welcome to DU!

:hi:

[joeunderdog]

86. Your Nazi connection is not pure speculation

http://www.nhgazette.com/cgi-bin/NHGstore.cgi?user_action=detail&catalogno=NN_Bush_Nazi_2

http://www.hereinreality.com/familyvalues.html

These people are evil.

[Quakerfriend]

87. Welcome to DU flashsmith!

Happy to greet you!;) We are happy to have you. I, too, was once a mod republican. Have been becoming more and more left every day with this crew in the WH. Together we will overcome! Hang on for the ride!

[JoMama49]

98. Also, check out the Republicans for Kerry04 website --

They posted a farewell, but have not yet taken down the site. I believe they were going to take it down, but now because of all the fraud allegations, they are leaving it up and staying active!

http://www.republicansforkerry04.org/

And, thanks for all the welcomes, DUer's. I'm so glad I found this group!