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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-03-05 10:12 PM
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Gore won the 00 vote, lost the election. JK won the 04 vote, lost the
election. There is nothing new here, and I'm afraid there's nothing new we can do about it. It's nothing to do with who votes, it's who COUNTS the votes. I don't have the solution, I'm just sayin'...
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Gato Moteado Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-03-05 10:13 PM
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1. i see a pattern
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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-03-05 10:17 PM
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2. And what an interesting pattern it is...
Now if only we could come to a consensus as to WHAT the pattern may or may not be...

:crazy:
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meisje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-03-05 10:17 PM
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3. Can your show me proof that Kerry won?
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-03-05 10:20 PM
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4. No, I cannot. But nobody has 'proven' to me that Bush won either.
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KaliTracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-03-05 10:24 PM
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5. how about 10 reasons why we should investigate Ohio (part one of two)
Edited on Mon Jan-03-05 10:53 PM by KaliTracy
on Edit... from The Free Press (Link at bottom of post)

"The presidential vote for George W. Bush does not compute.

By examining a very wide range of sworn testimonies from voters, polling officials and others close to the administration of the Nov. 2 election; by statistical analysis of the certified vote by mathematicians, election experts and independent research teams who have conducted detailed studies of the results in Ohio, New Mexico, Florida and elsewhere; from experts who studied the voting machines, tabulators and other electronic equipment on which a fair vote count has depended; and from a team of attorneys and others who have challenged the Ohio results; the freepress.org investigative team has compiled a portrait of an election whose true outcome must be investigated further by the Congress, the media and all Americans -- because it was almost certainly not an honest victory for George W. Bush." <snip>

First sentence in each point 6 and 7 are the full points:

"1. More than 106,000 Ohio ballots remain uncounted. As certified by Blackwell, Ohio’s official results say 92,672 regular ballots were cast without indicating a choice for president. This sum grows to 106,000 ballots when uncounted provisional ballots are included....

2. Most uncounted ballots come from regions and precincts where Kerry was strongest....

3. Of the 147,000 combined provisional and absentee ballots counted by hand after Election Day, Kerry received 54.46 percent of the vote....

4. Turnout inconsistencies reveal tens of thousands of Kerry votes were not simply recorded....

In Franklin County, where Columbus is located, Kerry won 346 precincts to Bush’s 125. The median Kerry precinct had 50.78 percent turnout, compared to 60.56 percent for Bush. Kerry’s lower numbers are due to local election officials assigning more voting machines per capita to Republican-leaning suburbs than the Democrat-leaning inner city – a political decision and likely Voting Rights Act violation. If Kerry-majority precincts in Columbus had a 60 percent turnout, as recorded throughout the rest of the state, he would have netted an additional 17,000 votes.

5. Many certified turnout results in key regions throughout the state are simply not plausible, and all work to the advantage of Bush....

6. Due to computer flaws and vote shifting, there were numerous reports across Ohio of extremely troublesome electronic errors during the voting process and in the counting...

7. In Miami County, two sets of results were submitted to state officials. The second, which padded Bush's margin, reported that 18,615 additional votes were counted, increasing Bush’s total by exactly 16,000 votes. Miami County’s turnout was up 20.86 percent from 2000, but only had experienced a population increase of 1.38 percent by 2004. Two Miami County precincts were certified with reported turnouts of 98.55 and 94.27 percent. In one of the precincts this would have required all but ten registered voters to have cast ballots. But an independent investigation has already collected affidavits of more than 10 registered voters that did not cast ballots on Nov. 2, indicating that Blackwell's officially certified vote count is simply impossible, which once again favoring Bush.

In Warren County, in southern Ohio, an unexplained Homeland Security alert was cited by Republican election board officials as a pretext for barring the media and independent observers from the vote count. In Warren and neighboring Butler and Clermont Counties, Bush won by a margin of 132,685 votes. He beat Gore in these counties in 2000 by 95,575 votes, meaning an implausible pickup of almost 40,000 votes.

But Bush’s numbers meant 13,566 people who voted for C. Ellen Connally, the liberal Democratic candidate for Ohio Supreme Court Chief Justice, also voted for Bush. In Butler Country, Bush officially was given 109,866 votes. But conservative GOP Chief Justice Moyer was given only 68,407, a negative discrepancy of more than 40,000 votes. Meanwhile, Connally was credited with 61,559 votes to John Kerry's 56,234. This would mean that while Bush vastly outpolled his Republican counterpart running for the Supreme Court, African-American female Democrat running for the Supreme Court on the Democratic side outpolled Kerry. By all accounts such an outcome is inconceivable. Again, it indicates a very significant and likely fraudulent shifting of votes to Bush.

8. Democratic voters were apparently targeted with provisional ballots.

9. Ohio's Election Day exit poll was more credible than the certified result, according to intense statistical analysis.

10. The Ohio recount wasn’t random or comprehensive and may have involved serious illegalities. "


http://www.freepress.org/departments/display/19/2005/1065


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