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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-05 01:41 PM
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we've got the power -- we are a MOVEMENT -- here's why (and how)
Regardless of what happens in the next couple of days, the toothpaste is out of the tube.

The lack of legitimacy and transparency in the presidential election is spawning a grass roots movement the same way the denial of facilities at UC Berkeley for civil rights activities spawned the Free Speech movement.

We are demanding the proof of the legitimacy of the democratic process. It’s our right as citizens. The probability that another election was stolen has radicalized casual political observers at a time when a whole slew of powerful organizing resources have became available. We sit at our computers and do our *work,* listening to internet streams and satellite radio. We check the message boards. We update our blogs. We plan actions. We network and bitch. Hot damn, ya’ll, we can reach out and activate people remotely -- from the wilderness of Alaska to kitchen tables in Kansas, to board rooms in D.C.

The Election Fraud Movement demands proof of Bush’s legitimacy. That’s all. It’s like getting carded. Remember the first few times you got carded after you turned 21? How you got a little offended. It’s like that. Who knew it was an act of radicalism to demand proper identification? After a few election cycles people will get used to it and even get offended if you DON’T ask for ID.

Not a bad fire to keep burning. Election Fraud reminds everyone that the Republicans are big, smelly hypocrites if Florida 2000, the Ukraine and the Washington governor’s race warrant outrage and Ohio, Florida and New Mexico don’t.

There’s been a lot of ink about a splintering of the Democratic party -- I see the opposite. I see community that is like a like an all-day virtual salon (albeit, with teenagers running in and out from time to time). DU and many other bloggety-haunts, combined with a dew-clawed broadcast scene (including satellite and internet offerings), provides us a base of operations, and some real rising stars. We have a target. We must freeze the target; personalize the target; and polarize the target.

Otherwise unabashedly drunk with power, the Bushitler Brigade is running scared on Election Fraud because they see we’ve established a beach head and planted a flag. There is no way to defend that buying and selling of the vote. There is no way to defend the war in Iraq. There is no way to defend the Theo-Con takeover of our government. We have the the rhetoric. We have the power... the numbers.... and now we have the tools.

And it keeps getting better, with them making one boner after another since November, starting with Bush’s bizarre Napoleon moment -- having “political capital” he intended to spend (because that’s what he does). He’s such an easy target you almost feel sorry for him. Sometimes it’s okay to point and laugh at retards -- especially when the booger-flicking moron has his Cheetos-smeared fingers on the “button.” It makes you angry wondering who is in charge here?

Oh yeah, we are. It’s our country. We are taking it back. Make them prove they are legitimate. Make them prove they aren’t hiding something. To all those who would respond with thread after thread of “give up, it’s hopeless... they own the system... blah blah blah,” why not take some of that energy and pick up the phone and get involved. Dial (877)762-8762 and ask for a senator -- any senator. Think of it as political Crank Yankers. Just do it. It's fun. Maybe you are like me and hate the phone -- write an email.

It won’t be over tomorrow or Thursday are even next weekend. This is only the beginning.

Here's our strengths:
We are bigger than we appear. For every poster here, there's 10, maybe 100 lurkers.

We have the experience. For every political neophyte, there's a mentor right here at your fingertips.

The opposition cannot and will not live up to their own rules leaving the open to ridicule.

The opposition is fat and happy and ANY challenge to their authority easily removes them from their comfort zone, again providing for an opportunity for ridicule. They are so off message right now, flip-flopping on the tsumani; bleeding staff; and putting ot fires as the worm turns in Iraq.

Ridicule is your most effective weapon. Want to do something constructive? Write and send that acidic email or post you've been working on. Make a poster. Bumperstickers.

There's the ability to keep the pressure on way beyond the this week and next. Issues of legitimacy are long-lived. Constant pressure sustains action.

Push a negative hard enough and it will become a positive. We were robbed -- keep pushing it. It's our sharpest weapon.

Cultivate your base of operations. We need places to hang and exchange information. Help keep DU home base. Use the new tools at your disposal. Listen to Sirius. Radio Power. Blogroll. Pick up the phone. Email. See how fun this can be?

The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative. We've got plenty of those. Investigate. Re-vote. Standardize. De-privatize. It's like shooting fish in a barrel.

Who is your BOOGIEMAN? Personalize this. We have established an abstract Boogieman (illegitimacy). Now we have to put a name and face to it. Who's the bastard? You know when you've identified your Boogieman when the opponent sends out their proxies to attack (Coulter, et al.).

Pick the target (legitimacy). Freeze the target (by any means necessary). Personalize the target (Blackwell). Polarize the target (make the Republicans either embrace him or reject him). An enemy properly goaded is our greatest asset.






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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-05 01:42 PM
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1. I keep telling people we are at the basement
of a new Civil Rights Movement, quite frankly
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-05 01:53 PM
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2. for me it's where it all comes together -- civil rights for all Americans
we didn't stay on top of the progressive swell of the 60s and 70s. i remember in the 80s, at a meeting of the New Student Movement, one caucus had to do with the need to recognize and incorporate queer issues into our platform. This was before AIDS went mainstream. We were just beginning to get the body count. The movement was charged! Gay issues? Where the heck does that come from? We were focused on the Arms Race, Environment, Apartheid -- it was really hard to see what gay rights had to do with that.

It's plain as day now. It was the gay marriage amendments that brought out the faithful vote. Where there's hate, there's fire.

We might have been in the basement before the election. Next stop Mezzanine. After that, it's thru the roof!
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Dream of the Flood Donating Member (63 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-05 03:40 PM
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10. I'd be curious exactly how many strong we are
If 1 in 5 people according to one post-election poll I remember hearing about believe, at some level that something wasn't quite right that day, then that is 20%. That's alot of people, wouldn't you say? This movement must be reckoned with regardless of whether anyone officially takes up on its behalf.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-05 08:12 PM
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11. 20% know this, 20% could be convinced, the rest will
come along for the ride....
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zann725 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 04:07 AM
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42. I like to think of our 20% as being the rudder of our "political" boat...
A rudder doesn't have be that large (in proportion to the boat) in order to turn it around.

And WE can. I agree that for every blogger here, there are clearly many who lurk...but are too timid yet to join the dialogue. That's okay, eventually they will.

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pointsoflight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 07:11 AM
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45. Great way to think about it. n/t
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-05 02:01 PM
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3. with apologies to Alinsky (Rules for Radicals)
:)

i can't help bringing out these dusty old books!

we are so far down the road! so much stronger as a movement than (say) twenty years ago (or 30 years ago when Alinsky was writing), we would have loved having the mediums of communication we have now. We were able to mobilize folks in the mountains of east tennessee and western viginia with nothing more than paper and stamps and phone calls.

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mdb Donating Member (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-05 02:28 PM
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4. "You have the power!"
H. Dean campaign message.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-05 02:52 PM
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6. funny too -- i was an early dean supporter
sent a bunch of money. went to meet-ups. but when he lost the nomination, i wasn't crushed. i didn't really think about much as the campain went on.

but on november 2 -- after i voted. i kept hearing a voice in my head -- 'we are taking the country back.'

i tried to push it down. then the exit polls rolled and my republican co-workers got all depressed. "We're Taking the country Back." the voice got louder.

then it hit me -- it's not about kerry or dean or anyone. it's about us taking it back.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-05 03:34 PM
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9. nashville_brook, yeah, I feel that, too...
...it's not about leaders. The bad guys just assassinate them, if they're too effective, or smear them to political death, or wear them out, or corrupt them--or the leaders just fink out. We keep LOSING leaders. And what held us together through the campaign?--it wasn't Kerry really, it was an idea of democracy. It was a democracy movement--inspired by Dean and others. I really loved it when it said he was going to dismantle the big media giants. It cost him the election--but it was great to have someone be as clear as WE are as to what the problems are. As clear as WE are.

It was OUR decision to put differnces with the Dem leadership and with Kerry aside, and elect Kerry. Our decision. Our energy. Our small donations adding up to big campaign chest. Our passion.

This grand coalition of the grass roots and the Dem leadership that elected Kerry might fall part--is falling apart--because of, 1) the BushCon election theft itself, very demoralizing, 2) the DEAFENING SILENCE of the Dem leadership on election fraud, our right to vote, the fate of our democracy and, 3) noises on the Dem right and center that we'd all better be nice and shut up.

How can you work with such wusses and bubble dwellers? I'm beginning to see, more and more, that the Kerry win was MOSTLY the work of volunteers and grass roots. The Dem leadership had actually given up on the election a year before, and it was only the energetic rebellion of the grass roots--and the Dean candidacy (mainly)--that got them to perk up.

We seem to be approaching a watershed moment on Jan. 6. Who still believes in democracy, who doesn't? The line forms over here. Wheat from the chaff.

We might have some rough political times ahead--as divisions get sharper, people defect from the Dems to punish them, etc.--but we will win in the end, because America is an inherently progressive nation, and we are the majority!

Local:

a) paper ballots
b) hand counts

or at least

a) a paper receipt for every vote
b) open source code.

A must do. Priority no. 1. Can't expect Congress to do anything but bad right now--must do it state by state.

Go, team!
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-05 08:43 PM
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12. i hear you saying we've got 2 counts of demoralization --
from the election and from the lack of leadership. AND 1 count of alienation within our own party. that these things will fracture the party. essentially (?) everyone is telling us activists to go bugger off.

I don't know if theres enough evidence to support a pruning just yet. right now the black caucus has the spotlight. people are staying out of their way. but we don't know why that is. i don't, anyway. maybe they are flying under the radar. maybe they are trying to find the message. maybe they are getting hammered off the coast of nantucket with william buckley.

my guess tho, is that there's a tug of war. and our part in that is to get our message out.

given the basic tactic of Target, Freeze, Personalize, Polarize -- we target election fraud. freeze the system of representation in our sights, by holding our elected officials to account (personalization), and polarize the opposition (the Republicans, not the Dems).




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keepthemhonest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-05 02:38 PM
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5. nashville brook I really
likes your message it was very positive. I'll keep an eye out for your posts in the future. As for this,

"And it keeps getting better, with them making one boner after another since November, starting with Bush’s bizarre Napoleon moment -- having “political capital” he intended to spend (because that’s what he does). He’s such an easy target you almost feel sorry for him" I really did think his cocky statements after getting selected who going to help undo him, however i am not to the point yet when I feel sorry for him. That might happen when he actually has to serve time for something.

Thanks for the take on this, keep up the good fight.


HOW LONG CAN THEY HIDE IT?
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-05 02:56 PM
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7. i've held off doing too much ridicule on him in writing or in conversation
Edited on Tue Jan-04-05 02:57 PM by nashville_brook
b/c it's just too easy. then i got turned on to patton oswalt and i realized it's okay to make fun of retards.

that's a long way to go, but the sentiment is true -- it gets old hat and you have to re-new your hairy eyeball. he IS sub-intelligent. he IS retarded. he DOES have all the power.

Remeber the Comedy Central show "That's My Bush" with the star of The Last Picture Show (whatshisname), it was too gentle. matt stone and trey parker were way too easy on him. he is a spoiled retarded child with nuclear weapons.
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keepthemhonest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-05 03:14 PM
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8. he certainly is
"he is a spoiled retarded child with nuclear weapons. "
Very scary. I hate spoiled children and he is so dumb and in charge of the what used to be the greatest nation in the world. Oh very scary indeed.

i could not believe my ears when I heard bush say " My Dad is the President and I can call him any time i want to." To me that said it all.


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Fly by night Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-05 08:57 PM
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13. Brook, will you be with us tomorrow at Alexander's/Frist's offices?
If so, you'll get to see the embodiment of how broad-based the support for free and fair elections is and how rapidly people coalesce around this issue. We've gone from two people here in TN wanting to support the 51 Capitals action on 12/12 to a statewide email list of thousands and over 200 active volunteers working to save our democracy in less than three weeks. (Hot damn -- it felt good just to write those words.)

So join us if you can. PM me if you need more info. And look me up when you're there. It will be nice to shake another Orange State DUer's hand.
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Helga Scow Stern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-05 09:02 PM
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15. That is so cool! How scary is that to go into that den of evil? We must be
strong. I hope you tell us all about it.

I heard Frist on NPR today saying he wasn't going to uphold last Congress's rules. Of course.

At least Reid got in a few jabs about piss-poor tsunami support. Go Reid!
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-05 09:55 PM
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19. I can't go to the Frist Museum. i know i should, it's great
i love the building, blah blah blah -- that NAME! ack!

we used to have such wonderful senators! gore/sasser. those were the days.
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Fly by night Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-05 10:14 PM
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26. Speaking truth to power is pretty exhilarating -- try it, you'll like it
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-05 10:42 PM
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31. lazlo toth -- i don't know why, but lazlo toth comes to mind...
we spend our whole freaking lives not speaking up. we work in cubes. our bosses are evil robots.

set the existential vacuum on high pile and suck up some life!
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-05 09:46 PM
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17. i'll be near alexandar's office for a short meeting at 11:30
after that i'll be there!

reading those words was pretty wonderful!
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Fly by night Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-05 10:11 PM
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25. I'll PM you with the details -- we'll rally at Alexander's office at 11:00
and then at Frist's Senate office in Nashville (not the Frist Museum) at noon. I hope to see you one place or the other.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-05 10:59 PM
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32. just got the email/infor -- here's the nashville/tenn poop for tomorrow
:) i'll meet you guys on white bridge road -- oh, i can't wait! i'll be wearing orange fleece with "We Are Being Lied To" sticker on my back :) -- i'm going to try and get my husband's lunch crowd to come! software developer geeks for democracy!

________________________________________________

More from Bernie on tomorrow's rallies:

One suggestion out of our third Gathering To Save Our Democracy yesterday (Sunday, 1/2/05) in Nashville was to stage simultaneous rallies in front of all local offices of Senators Alexander and Frist across the state on Wednesday, 1/5/05. We would love to do this in every Tennessee city where these Senators maintain local offices, and to generate local press coverage for those rallies.

We already have the rallies organized for Nashville and Jackson but would like to have them happen in Knoxville, Chattanooga, Memphis, Blountsville and the Tri-Cities area also. So if you're a Tennessean and can take a long lunch break on Wednesday, please PM me with your email address and I'll send you the details and hook you up with others from your city who want to join with you.

Our plan is to show up simultaneously (at 11:00 am CST Wednesday at Alexander's offices and at noon CST at Frist's offices) with pro voting rights and anti-election theft-related posters, orange ribbons and with the local media in tow. We also want to come prepared to hand to the local offices signed petitions asking Alexander and Frist to stand against accepting the Ohio electoral college votes and supporting a full inquiry into the 2004 election theft. A copy of the petition is attached. Please download and print a copy, collect signatures among your own communities, and then bring three copies (one original and two xeroxed copies) of your signed petitions to the rally (one for Alexander, one for Frist and one for us to fax to all our U.S. Representatives.)

While we know that this is a LONG shot to get our Senators to do the right thing (particularly for Frist), the chance to get local and statewide media coverage for the election theft is well worth it. And I expect it would be a bit unnerving for the Senators' Washington offices to get calls and faxes from ALL of their Tennessee offices on the election theft at the same time on Wednesday.

So if you live somewhere other than Nashville or Jackson, please write me back if you're up for facilitating a little statewide strategic street theater on Wednesday, and spread this message to other listservs and activists in your local area to create your own local response to the election theft. (I have attached another document that lists the locations of all statewide local offices for our Senators.) We will have a big crowd in Nashville and a very savvy group are handling things in Jackson. (If you live near Jackson, get in touch with Diane Brown at flowersmart@charter.net for details on Jackson's rally.) How about it, eastside and westside -- let's do this thing up right, all across the Orange State!!

More details on the Nashville rallies:

I hope that every one of you who lives near Nashville can take an early lunch hour on Wednesday, January 5, to join us for our rallies in front of the offices of Senator Lamar Alexander and Senator Bill Frist in Nashville. We will rally at Senator Alexander's office first (at 11:00 am) and then will proceed en masse to Senator Frist's office. If you are unable to be with us at Senator Alexander's office, please join us at Senator Frist's office at around noon. (Wait for us if we're not there precisely at noon.) Be sure to bring lots of election fraud-related signs and wear your orange ribbons. Please pass the word among your co-workers, friends and family to join us there also.

I will work to get continued press coverage for these rallies and to support similar rallies in other Tennessee cities where our Senators have field offices. I will ask those cities in East Tennessee to start with Alexander's office at noon Eastern time and Frist's office at 1:00 pm Eastern time. The other cities in the Central time zone (Memphis and Jackson) should follow our Nashville timetable. If we are able to pull this off, our Senators will receive simultaneous phone calls and faxes from ALL of their Tennessee field offices that there are lots of concerned believers in the democratic process who will be watching their actions on January 6.

Here are the Nashville office addresses where we will be rallying:

Senator Lamar Alexander: Nashville
3322 West End Avenue, #120
Nashville, TN 37203
Phone: (615) 736-5129
Fax: (615) 269-4803

Senator Bill Frist: Nashville
28 White Bridge Road, Suite 211
Nashville, TN 37205
615-352-941
615-352-9985 (fax)
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Helga Scow Stern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-05 08:57 PM
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14. I love it nashville_brook! Wow. I get the drift, but am still learning
those steps. The main thing is to keep saying it, and quit being so nice.

BTW, I saw that Comedy Central show the night before the election when they drug out the few episodes that were made before it was cancelled back in 2001. It was too soft, but it was funny. I used to love Parker and Stone until I saw Team America. I felt like I had been slimed by a neocon infomercial. I even notice that freepers use lyrics from that movie for sig lines. Now I can hardly stand to watch Southpark.

I read that they are Republicans and friends of Rove.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-05 09:53 PM
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18. yeah, south park has been a big let down lately
we like Drawn Together!

the first south park movie was a masterpiece of satire -- even bought the soundtrack. i had heard team america was going to be satire-ganda so i decided not to see it in the theater. what a let down.

when the heck is the Daily Show going to be new?!!
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mirrera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-05 09:28 PM
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16. I think I love you...n/t
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-05 09:56 PM
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20. awwwww -- that's a first -- nice words in *this* forum
:)
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FreepFryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-05 09:58 PM
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21. RIGHT ON!
I learned much and have much to consider from your post.

Keep the unity coming!

Believe, DU... America will emerge victorious from this current loss of morality.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-05 11:02 PM
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33. i love your avatar!
studied philosophy/poly sci/soc in college. was interested in peace movements and then postmoderism. this stuff is right up my alley. i was born for this moment.
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FreepFryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 01:16 AM
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39. And I, Binky, Love yours. Not to mention that dream house! :) :)
Edited on Wed Jan-05-05 01:46 AM by FreepFryer
And if you believe, we were ALL born for this moment. How fortuitous that is!

I'm grateful you're here!
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 07:17 PM
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47. You sure were, Nashville.
Great posts.

Your insights into the way young lads must feel and think (your encounter described in another thread), and your empathy with them was uplifting to read. Maybe you should think about going into politics as a leader, whether as a Congresswoman or a policy-maker.
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Kashka-Kat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-05 10:03 PM
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22. CAN WE CALL IT A Pro-Democracy Movement?
"Fraud" movement sounds so limited, and limiting, does not capture all the other aspects which could conceivably fit under the umbrella of "pro-democracy," ie voter suppression, election reform, campaign reform, etc. Go orange!!!









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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-05 10:15 PM
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27. i really like that. it says it all!
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Sick_of_Rethuggery Donating Member (853 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 12:02 AM
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35. ProD, for short! :-) n/t
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Dancing_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-05 10:09 PM
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23. We've got Jesse Jackson, so we are a movement!
He thinks this is this most important movement cause since the Civil Rights Movement...bless his heart and bless his silver tounge!
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-05 10:20 PM
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29. he's right. this is such a moment in history.
it feels like movement too b/c people are needing to be together -- here on DU and everywhere else you can find a spot.
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-05 10:10 PM
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24. IT IS OUR MORAL OBLIGATION TO DEFEND AND PROTECT!
Thank you for that much needed eye opener! We've got them on the ropes!
Keep them on the defensive...Yowza!!!:spank: Naughty little repugs!!! Look what you've gone and done NOW...:hurts:

WHAT ARE THEY HIDING???:think: :think: :think:
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seito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-05 10:17 PM
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28. Excellent nashville
My greatest fear was that we, the people, would be so de-moralized that we would give in to the "we are doomed" scenario. The silent revolution has begun my friends. I sense that it will only continue to grow in power and numbers. The American people showed up in record numbers this past election. We all know that the people did NOT wait 6+ hours in line to vote for "more of the same"

There are millions of us, and our numbers will continue to grow. The movement does not end Jan 6th, no matter what happens. Before 2004, I had written one letter to my Senator...ONE I still have it. Care to guess how many I have written since Nov 3rd? I have lost count.

I know that I am not alone. It is time for the people to wake up and realize that this is our country and we have the right to demand that our elected officials represent us. I know that this awakening has already begun.

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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-05 10:27 PM
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30. we used to debate endlessly about which was better,
revolution from within
revolution from without

basically, do you target each blade of grass or the whole meadow. i think we've got both from this unfortunate series of event. it has changed each of us and US as a whole.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-05 11:52 PM
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34. kick
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 12:13 AM
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36. Excellent Post!!! nashville_brook.
This is about as realistic appraisal of strategy and tactics as I've read. It's all new ground now. Thanks for the insights.
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 12:57 AM
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37. Yes, we do have the power and we will use it too. Thanks for
your post. Well said.
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 01:11 AM
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38. Wonderful post, Nashville. n/t
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Silver Gaia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 01:43 AM
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40. This is a GREAT thread...
You've articulated it all so well, Brook. The energy here is high and boy, do I need that, too. I've been shouting this for a long time now--that this is a grassroots movement, and it's growing, building. I can feeel it, and have for some time now. Don't give in to despair, people. Brook and the others here are right. This is just the beginning. I feel it in my bones. We are going to raise a storm.
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Silver Gaia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 01:46 AM
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41. BTW...
I used to live in Tennessee... spent 20 years in Middle Tennessee near Smithville. I'm glad to hear that Tennessee folks are getting energized around this issue!

:bounce: :toast: :bounce:

This is a good thing to hear!
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 07:00 AM
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43. That was a great piece.
Thanks for posting it.
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pointsoflight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 07:10 AM
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44. Excellent post. n/t
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 11:53 AM
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46. kick n call!
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