Kerry bashing is alive and well today

[politicasista]

sigh. :shrug: :cry:

[JI7]

1. it's like that everyday

[Laurab]

2. I think it's worse yesterday & today

I found myself wondering if I was on the right website...

[Broken Acorn]

3. Is it bashing or outrage that he hasn't Reported for Duty? n/t

[righteous1]

12. Fraid so n/t

[Laurab]

20. Oh, it's bashing

even using those "famous" phrases we heard from the rethugs, like "flip-flop", "I voted for before I voted against"

Just what the rethugs ordered, I think.

[Pachamama]

4. Rove Co. has stepped up the focus since we are approaching Jan. 6th...

...They want to make it seem unpopular to step up to the plate and hit one home for him....

But, alas, it seems to be a popular sport here lately....I don't believe in blind loyalty, but I'm dismayed and disgusted by how many so called Dems and Progressives and Liberals seem to blow which ever way the wind is blowing....


:eyes:

[Cary]

6. Be fair please, Pachamama

We voted the right way, yet we do still have to live with the dumb, uninformed choice made by the red states.

It's not a matter blowing "which ever way". It's a matter of regrouping, getting back up on the horse, and getting it done in 2006 and beyond.

We're on the same side, remember?

[Pachamama]

15. I'm on the right side...I am being fair, really...

Maybe it was too vague of a description, but there have been an amazing amount of people who were quick to abandon Kerry and talk of abandoning the Dems....I'm not saying that regrouping and thinking about things or wondering about why Kerry did what he did isn't a smart or wise thing, but I am reserving "judgement" if there is such a thing for after Jan 6th when I can witness Kerry and other Senators actions as it pertains to this election. Then, with the new House and Senate in place, I will watch for the first month and see what they are doing and saying. If I see the Dems moving to the right and not fighting for what is "the right thing" for the American people, I will be the first to switch my party affiliation and let them know they aren't ever getting a penny from me again - and I gave very, very generously - the maximum allowable to Kerry from both my husband and I, $10K to the DNC and I fundraised like a mad woman for the GELAC fund for the Dems...Boxer and Feinstein know my name too...If they become lap dogs to the GOP, I'll become a card carrying Green member and fight hard for Progressive Candidates like there is no tommorrow...not that I didn't do that before, but I will take serious action. I just like I said have reserved that judgement for after Jan. 6th and say into February....Let's just call it "who is getting Pachamama's Valentine in February?" Is it the DNC anymore or someone else? I'm a loyal lover, but not to a lover who can't perform anymore, emotionally or physically after many chances and a long, long patient wait, if I can use that analogy...

:hi:

[Laurab]

29. I like your analogy

thanks. I don't have a deadline, but I too am reserving my judgement. I'm optimistic right now, and plan on staying that way for a while. I cannot fathom the entire Democratic party folding up, and I don't believe that's what they're going to do, but if I'm proven wrong, we're screwed.

[Pachamama]

37. You'll know when its time to find a new "lover"....

And make sure we aren't getting "screwed" but instead making love :hug:

[Laurab]

45. LOL

Another great analogy.

:hug: back!

[LittleClarkie]

49. My threshold is even higher than yours

I'd have to find out Kerry barbeques babies for the DLC before I'd drop him.

It's like when I started going to church. I went to a liberal Lutheran one, and yet people I knew on campus would try to recruit me for THEIR church. I'd say that I had mine, and if I ever found my current church wanting, I'd come look at theirs. Their response, "Well, if you think you have *time*" as if I had to be at the right church before the Second Coming or be "left behind."

Well, I still go to that liberal Lutheran church. About 75% Kerry voters too. I was so proud. I am home.

Same with the Dems. I just joined, and I'm just learning how things work now for the first time. I never sat with CSPAN on all day before. If I eventually find them wanting, I'll go looking for a new "church." But for now, I'm home.

[Demit]

5. It will either disappear totally or increase twofold, after January 6.

I've been trying to hold my own counsel until then. I can't blame people getting impatient with "wait and see", it's hard to keep the faith with no encouragement. But it's almost over, the waiting, and we'll see soon.

[Kota]

7. Its to bad.

I voted for him and plan to support him for the next 4 years.Yes it would be great if he was in the whitehouse, but he will fight no matter what.

[Blue_In_AK]

25. Kota, I agree with you

It would be great to have JFK in the white house, but his investigative skills are also extremely useful in the Senate if it comes down to grounds for impeachment of * or whatever. I have great admiration and respect for JFK wherever he is. I trust him.

[LittleClarkie]

51. Yep, no strings

I consider him a good man. Not being president hasn't changed that.

He also knows more about what's going on right now. I don't want him to "Gore" himself needlessly. If he had nothing to lose, that would be different. But we need him in the Senate.

[bobweaver]

8. The repubs. never stop - it's an endless war - Dems should also never stop

[mourningdove92]

9. for the most part, I would have to say that its the Trolls.

Isn't that typical? Kind of like the purple heart band aids ( I still haven't gotten over that). RW'ers just have to show their cruelty.

[FreepFryer]

19. Absolutely spot-on correct.

Psychologically, it's a reflection of the same maladaptation as those band-aids exactly.

And, it's what unites the many different outlooks that make up the Dems. The more evil they spew, the more crimes and misfortunes they endorse, the more resolute and determined we become.

That is how, and why, Liberalism did prevail, and will prevail again. Good post.

[seito]

10. I have said this before and I will say it again...

History will judge John Kerry. There will be plenty of time, after Jan 20th, to reflect on exactly what he did or did not do.

Now is the time for activism. If you have a problem with what John Kerry is doing or not doing, then write to him, call him, fax him, and do the same for all of your representatives.

It is natural that the stress level is going to steadily increase as we approach Jan 6th. It is natural to want to blame someone for what is happening in this country. I will propose just one more wild idea. The enemy might not be John Kerry.

[Pachamama]

22. Amen Sista....Couldn't have said it better myself...the enemy is not Kerry

:hi:

We need to be directing our energies properly...I've been trying to recharge my batteries since Nov. 3rd and am in "hibernation" mode...not dead, not sleeping, but regrouping for the Spring if you will and plan to be so active that it will make what I did pale in comparison....

Stress's have been super high...and people's faith in what the future holds is low....I'm convinced most people (and I see it in the people I know who want to fight for what is right) are just worn down and their feeling defeated....We can't let that happen or else we are defeated....That's why I prescribe and recommend a good diet, lots of sleep, excercise, meditation and yoga, martial arts and lots of lovemaking. Read, stay informed and make daily or atleast bi-weekly phone calls to your Senators, Rep, and write letters to the editors or papers atleast twice a month.

[kerrygoddess]

11. Hey PoliticaSista

There's some news about JK in the Mid East at LUTD Blog - http://www.lightupthedarkness.org/blog/default.asp?view=plink&id=190

Not everyone around here is a Kerry basher.

[sabra]

28. Thanks for the link! n/t

[Used and Abused]

13. I think that the people bashing him now would do a 180 if he was elected/

inaugurated on January 20. I think all of us agree that Kerry should be the new president-elect. Its the early concession that angers people--coupled with the thought of 4 more years of Bush.

[drummer55]

14. kerry bashing?

He talked a good talk but there is no follow up.

Actions Speak louder than words and the actions of Kerry has thus far been one of continual retreat and seemingly out right lies to the people who voted for him.


He's in flippin IRAQ on the 6th of January for gods sake!


I guess what I am trying to say is this isnt about John "I coulda been somebody" Kerry

Its about all of us little people being continually manipulated and used by our so called "leaders". They only lead when they have something to gain and are constantly no where to be found when we are in trouble.

They govern us by our consent and we need to step up and take back the reigns of power.

"Government is not reason and it is not eloquence. It is force! Like fire it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. Never for a moment should it be left to irresponsible action." -- George Washington

"If a society is to remain free, its government must be controlled." -- Ayn Rand

[Der Blaue Engel]

47. Exhibit A

eom

[yinkaafrica]

16. We can't wait for Kerry to save us

He will or he won't. Either way we remain.
I hope we don't allow this ship to drift ruderless
for four more years.

[TexasSissy]

17. It sure is. What IS up with that? Like they think it matters NOW?

Are they afraid he'll make a comeback?

[FreepFryer]

18. Don't let it get you down - it's a great sign!

Next step - we win.

Overwhelmingly likely it's not Jan. 6.

Maybe it's '08. Probably '12. Necessarily '16. Definitely '32.

But we win. Believe.

"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they attack you, and then you win."
- Mohandas Gandhi

[Walt Starr]

21. Kerry lost

time to figure out why and learn from the mistakes.

[seito]

23. While I disagree with you...

If I had to blame anybody or anything, it would have to be the corporate media.

That definately put within the margin of fraud.

[Walt Starr]

27. I see Kerry having made a ton of mistakes

#1 was hiring Shrum.

#2 was Mary Beth Cahill

These are my opinions on the matter.

[Snivi Yllom]

31. my favorite moment....

Was Shrum on election night "May I be the first to call you 'Mr. President'?"

An all too perfect symbol of misguided opinion and advice in an imperfect campaign.

[Walt Starr]

34. BINGO

There is more of incompetence in a few than a conspiracy of the many in this previsous election.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

42. The incompetence lay with the exit polls

says conventional wisdom.

[FreepFryer]

30. hi Walt!

Nice to see you trying to quiet an EFG thread down again :hi:

Good to see you're doing it respectfully.

[Walt Starr]

33. Hi Freep

Nice to see you playing it up in another thread.

:hi:

[FreepFryer]

35. Not playing anything up

Just a healthy encouragement to discuss the issues, I hope. See you around!

[Walt Starr]

36. Anything you say, Freep

Playing it up as always. What a joker you are!

[FreepFryer]

38. And there we go - Walt goes personal again (sigh) n/t

[Walt Starr]

39. Sorry, I thought you were making a funny, Freep

instead of making a personal attack.

My bad, I guess you meant to attack me personally, Freep.

[FreepFryer]

40. Now you're just being incoherent

which, as I said yesterday, is kinda cute. :hi:

[Walt Starr]

41. Now THAT'S a personal attack, Freep

Nioce to see you know the difference. :hi:

[FreepFryer]

43. Actually it's not.

Saying someone's behavior is 'bad' or 'good' isn't a personal attack.

Calling them a loser is (I think that's the intelligent comment you posted, might be wrong but I'd rather not waste the nanoseconds to check.

Have a nice day. :hi:

[Der Blaue Engel]

48. Oh, is Walt here?

I'll take your word for it. :hi:

[justice4all]

44. We'd like to but

Katherine B. keeps obstructing

[mom cat]

24. I just called Kerry's office. They couldn't get me off the phone fast

enough. It was almost as bad at Kennedy's office. Senator Byrd's office was cordial..almost friendly...If Kerry does not want us to feel betrayed, perhaps he could speak out about election fraud and perhaps instruct his staff to be less dismissive. Like all of you, I worked my heart out for this election... and we won it damn it. Of course I feel betrayed when the Democratic party is virtually silent.
I just called and e-mailed the DNC stating that if they didn't make a stand on this one that they no longer deserved my support.

[merh]

26. All classes of people post on DU.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x229715

[Firespirit]

32. No kidding.

Something bad happens, and he's the immediate punching bag.

I guess people have to vent, but it's getting a bit old.

Kerry could kill this whole Senator thing by doing what Gore did and making an explicit request for no one to object. He's bound to know what's up. Hmmmm... I don't see that happening just yet. (If you're by some strange chance reading this, Mr. Senator, you'd better not go there if you want any chance in 2008. Even I won't defend you on THAT.)

And I have no problem with his being absent on the 6th. Some people just don't seem to get it. Kerry could not contest. It would doom the objection. But if he didn't contest, that would also doom it.

[Vektor]

46. Oh christ.

I just got online. What did he do this time?

[troubleinwinter]

50. Honey, honey, it is your favorite thing. It's what you love best.

Edited to add: Get off it.

[FreepFryer]

52. The bashing of Kerry is only one of many

ways to divide a group with diverse opinions. And they're out in force with the crap this week.

As I mentioned above, DU'ers - let it inspire you - don't fall for it.

Unite. Realize Our Collective Power!

Undo the Coup!