OK, so what STINKS the most?

[pauldp]

There's been some back and fort about whether this or that piece of evidence is a smoking gun, but you don't need a smoking gun to justify a full scale investigation or a contest of electors by members of Congress . The question is: are there facts that don't pass the smell test?

Here are my top 3 stinkers:

1. The death of HR 2239. The Voter Confidence and Increased Accessibility Act of 2003.
A Bill to amend the Help America Vote Act of 2002 to require a voter-verified permanent record or hard copy.
http://thomas.loc.gov (type in HR 2239 at the top of the page).

Introduced in May of 2003 by Rush Holt this patch for the fatally flawed HAVA would have provided that elusive paper trail. It had wide support from both Democrats and Republicans in the House. It kills me to read the impassioned pleas Rush Holt and many others make (including a former SOS from Ohio) to members of the House.

This bill was referred to committee and the Republican leadership (Hastert and Delay) never allowed it to be brought to the floor.

This is a FACT and it STINKS!

OK let me get this off my chest...WHY THE F*CK DID THEY KILL THE PAPER TRAIL IF THEY WEREN'T GOING TO CHEAT!?

2.Those amazing Exit Polls! Call me crazy but I think all the statistical analysis by Dr. Freeman, and many other respected academics and statisticians (including DU's own TIA), plus the informed comments from Zogby and many others actually do amount to something.

AND The fact that the corporate MSM refuses to release the raw exit poll data 2 months after the election REALLY, REALLY SMELLS OF SH*T!


3. The political/religious affiliations of Diebold, ES&S, Sequoia, Triad. Aw jeez I don't have to provide links for these stinking fascists do I?

I know there are many other critical pieces: The voter suppression, voter intimidation the Berkley study etc. etc. etc. the point is we are talking about the stench of an open landfill next to an animal rendering plant.

So what smells worst to you?

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

1. #3

I'm not sure how it's possible to trust voting machines made by companies that whole-heartedly admit they want a particular candidate to win.

[Junkdrawer]

2. Related to #3 - The incredibly lax standards that regulate voting machines

The lax standards, the non-enforcement of these lax standards and the incredible lack of understanding of the dangers by Democratic voting officials was an open invitation to fraud.

I mean, you leave the doors to Ft. Knox wide open, and then you're SHOCKED when the gold is gone.

[pauldp]

5. We should use the Bank check machines instead to count paper ballots.

Banks already have the technology we need.
they can process and verify thousands of different documents at a rate of 30 per second with machines that read the info on the document and sort them into different bins and at the same time make a verifyable microfiche copy. Diebold makes these fucking things and we can't get a paper reciept?!!!

[glitch]

3. It's so hard to tell. The stinks all merge together into one gigantic

STENCH.

[Ryder911]

4. Three (more)....

20 Amazing Facts About Voting in the USA
by Angry Girl
http://nightweed.com/usavotefacts.html

Did you know....
1. 80% of all votes in America are counted by only two companies: Diebold and ES&S.
http://www.onlinejournal.com/evoting/042804Landes/042804landes.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diebold



2. There is no federal agency with regulatory authority or oversight of the U.S. voting machine industry.
http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0916-04.htm

http://www.onlinejournal.com/evoting/042804Landes/042804landes.html



3. The vice-president of Diebold and the president of ES&S are brothers.
http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/private_company.html

http://www.onlinejournal.com/evoting/042804Landes/042804landes.html



4. The chairman and CEO of Diebold is a major Bush campaign organizer and donor who wrote in 2003 that he was "committed to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the president next year."
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/07/28/sunday/main632436.shtml

http://www.wishtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=1647886



5. Republican Senator Chuck Hagel used to be chairman of ES&S. He became Senator based on votes counted by ES&S machines.
http://www.motherjones.com/commentary/columns/2004/03/03_200.html

http://www.onlinejournal.com/evoting/031004Fitrakis/031004fitrakis.html



6. Republican Senator Chuck Hagel, long-connected with the Bush family, was recently caught lying about his ownership of ES&S by the Senate Ethics Committee.
http://www.blackboxvoting.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=26

http://www.hillnews.com/news/012903/hagel.aspx

http://www.onlisareinsradar.com/archives/000896.php



7. Senator Chuck Hagel was on a short list of George W. Bush's vice-presidential candidates.
http://www.businessweek.com/2000/00_28/b3689130.htm

http://theindependent.com/stories/052700/new_hagel27.html



8. ES&S is the largest voting machine manufacturer in the U.S. and counts almost 60% of all U.S. votes.
http://www.essvote.com/HTML/about/about.html

http://www.onlinejournal.com/evoting/042804Landes/042804landes.html



9. Diebold's new touch screen voting machines have no paper trail of any votes. In other words, there is no way to verify that the data coming out of the machine is the same as what was legitimately put in by voters.
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0225-05.htm

http://www.itworld.com/Tech/2987/041020evotestates/pfindex.html



10. Diebold also makes ATMs, checkout scanners, and ticket machines, all of which log each transaction and can generate a paper trail.
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0225-05.htm

http://www.diebold.com/solutions/default.htm



11. Diebold is based in Ohio.
http://www.diebold.com/aboutus/ataglance/default.htm



12. Diebold employed 5 convicted felons as consultants and developers to help write the central compiler computer code that counted 50% of the votes in 30 states.
http://www.wired.com/news/evote/0,2645,61640,00.html

http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/10/301469.shtml



13. Jeff Dean was Senior Vice-President of General Election Systems when it was bought by Diebold. Even though he had been convicted of 23 counts of felony theft in the first degree, Jeff Dean was retained as a consultant by Diebold and was largely responsible for programming the optical scanning software now used in most of the United States.
http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0312/S00191.htm
http://www.chuckherrin.com/HackthevoteFAQ.htm#how

http://www.blackboxvoting.org/bbv_chapter-8.pdf



14. Diebold consultant Jeff Dean was convicted of planting back doors in his software and using a "high degree of sophistication" to evade detection over a period of 2 years.
http://www.chuckherrin.com/HackthevoteFAQ.htm#how

http://www.blackboxvoting.org/bbv_chapter-8.pdf



15. None of the international election observers were allowed in the polls in Ohio.
http://www.globalexchange.org/update/press/2638.html

http://www.enquirer.com/editions/2004/10/26/loc_elexoh.html



16. California banned the use of Diebold machines because the security was so bad. Despite Diebold's claims that the audit logs could not be hacked, a chimpanzee was able to do it! (See the movie here <http://blackboxvoting.org/baxter/baxterVPR.mov>.)
http://wired.com/news/evote/0,2645,63298,00.html

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4874190



17. 30% of all U.S. votes are carried out on unverifiable touch screen voting machines with no paper trail.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/07/28/sunday/main632436.shtml



18. All -- not some -- but all the voting machine errors detected and reported in Florida went in favor of Bush or Republican candidates.
http://www.wired.com/news/evote/0,2645,65757,00.html

http://www.yuricareport.com/ElectionAftermath04/ThreeResearchStudiesBushIsOut.htm

http://www.rise4news.net/extravotes.html

http://www.ilcaonline.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=950

http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0411/S00227.htm



19. The governor of the state of Florida, Jeb Bush, is the President's brother.
http://www.tallahassee.com/mld/tallahassee/news/local/7628725.htm

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A10544-2004Oct29.html



20. Serious voting anomalies in Florida -- again always favoring Bush -- have been mathematically demonstrated and experts are recommending further investigation.
http://www.yuricareport.com/ElectionAftermath04/ThreeResearchStudiesBushIsOut.htm

http://www.computerworld.com/governmenttopics/government/policy/story/0,10801,97614,00.html

http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/tens_of_thousands.html

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/1106-30.htm

http://www.consortiumnews.com/2004/110904.html

http://uscountvotes.org/

[sueh]

11. Ryder911...thanks for your post.

Very valuable and time consuming to put together. I appreciate you taking the time to do this.

[pauldp]

12. Thanks. That list is really stinky. n/t

[TruthIsAll]

6. What really stinks is Naysayers, Dems, MSM ignoring all this!

And then claiming we have not proved anything.

[pauldp]

7. Yep. Peee Eww!! n/t

[pauldp]

8. Lets remember Johnny Cochrane.

He convinced a jury that a mountain of evidence including DNA was inconclusive.

[sueh]

10. A new concern of mine re: MSM

is that if a senator does stand up and challenge the vote, the story from the MSM will be "partisianship on the part of Democrats", NOT the fraud that stole the election for BushCo. x(

[Old Mouse]

9. 4 years of Bush using all of the resources of the US government

to help him campaign for reelection and no one attempting to stop the horrible abuse of power.

[marcologico]

13. People tried, and they got flattened

The California Secretary of State (Kevin Shelley) refused to certify this junk and what do you know, he got brought up on campaign ethics violations which, what do you know, turned out to be baseless but ruined his career. This also happened to several county officials who blew the whistle.