Maybe Kerry conceded because he wanted to live ...

[sunnystarr]

I certainly won't fault him for not wanting to be a forgotten, unrecognized martyr, especially since it would be an "accident" of some sort, like so many before him.

It isn't that election fraud can't be proven. There's no one in government who is powerful enough, who hasn't benefitted somehow in the past (in both parties), or who isn't part of the overall scheme. If election fraud unravels then many other things will unravel. So there's really noone to save us.

After 5 hours of reading the material gleaned from googling Adnan Khashoggi, the connections to election fraud 2000 and 2004 are really clear.

"While there has been no suggestion of it anywhere in the media, the name “Triad” was used extensively by Khashoggi at exactly the same time (the early 80’s) and in exactly the same place (Palm Beach, Florida) as the “Triad Governmental Systems” involved in Ohio’s current election “difficulties.”

Khashoggi owned a number of companies named “Triad.”

Khashoggi owned “Triad International Marketing.”

“Northrop, the Los Angeles-based aircraft and electronics manufacturer, owes Triad International Marketing, S.A., a Liechtenstein corporation controlled by Khashoggi, $31 million in commissions on sales to the Saudi air force,” reported the L.A. Times on August 29, 1987.

Khashoggi owned “Triad America.”

In 1982, Khashoggi owned Triad Farms in Kentucky.

In "The Blue Grass Conspiracy” by Sally Denton, she revealed that the large drug smuggling operation called “The Company,” headquarters were near Lexington, Kentucky, at Triad Farms, owned by Khashoggi.

That’s just about the same time (1983) that TRIAD Governmental Systems was founded…

We also discovered that a strikingly similar allegation of Triad employee tampering was lodged against the company all the way back in 1988…

According to Jackie Beville, a former employee of the Supervisor of Elections in Hillsborough County, Triad workers adjusted the software to clear up a ballot-counting problem shortly before the election, and the machinery should then have been recertified following the work.

When questioned, she was told that Triad workers were just fixing problems caused by a lightning strike.

Triad manufactures punch-card voting systems, and also wrote the computer program that tallied the punch-card votes cast in 41 Ohio counties last November. The company is owned by a man named Tod Rapp, who has donated money to the Republican Party as well as the election campaign of George W. Bush.

Given the broad distribution of Triad voting systems in Ohio, the allegations that have been leveled against this company strike to the heart of the assumed result of the 2004 election.

Khashoggi invested in the Carlyle Group and had Bush 41 join him there.

In one of his last acts as president, Bush (41) pardoned Khashoggi and his co-conspirators, who were key members of Bush's own cabinet. As a result, no case could be made against Khashoggi -- or against Bush himself.

The connections for 2000 election are in the links below. I don't want to make this post too lengthy, so check out Armitage who was a board member of Database Technologies (DBT)/ChoicePoint Inc. ChoicePoint is a partner of the vast 'data mining' company Science Applications International Corp.

"Greg Palast, with Katherine Harris' e-mails and financial documents in hand, reported on the causes of the 2000 election after the event. Recall the chaos in Florida when ChoicePoint, inadvertently or not, "glitched" the votes: "Recent studies say nearly one-quarter to 31 percent of black men in Florida cannot vote ... The state's voter-purge project has critics doubting both the accuracy and the motives of the state's contractor, Database Technologies."

After reading I understood why Kerry conceded. We all should be very scared.

The only encouraging light is Conyers. He's a courageous man but trying to right wrongs in the midst of the enemy.

"On Monday, 24th March Rep. John Conyers, a Michigan Democrat, asked the Pentagon's inspector general to probe Perle's work as a paid adviser to bankrupt telecommunications company Global Crossing Ltd. and his guidance on investment opportunities resulting from the Iraq conflict."

Perle resigned but Rumsfeld asked that he remain a member of the board and continue as a leading advisor to the Defense Secretary.
http://www.variant.randomstate.org/17texts/17seymorehersh.html

Our stolen elections are tied into Iran-Contra, BCCI, 9/11, and many other nefarious dealings. Hopefully Kerry will use his skills to unravel and prosecute in the future. That's the best gift he could give to America.

These are the links I went to and they have a plethora of supportive links within them. I'm sure there are more sources and many of you may have them. Also many of you may be aware of things I have just begun to learn about. If so, excuse my post, but there may be others like myself who aren't aware of just how deep it goes and who's involved.

http://www.madcowprod.com/01042004.html
http://slate.msn.com/id/1006609/
http://www.rense.com
http://www.questionsquestions.net/docs04/khashoggi-911.html
http://www.questionsquestions.net/docs04/khashoggi-911_2.html
http://www.politicalfriendster.com/showPerson.php?id=174
http://www.ciajfk.com/KASH-.html
http://www.umsl.edu/~skthoma/khashoggi.htm
http://thewebfairy.com/911/constantine/part1.htm (go to each link in Index)

[MadAsHellNewYorker]

1. GREAT POST!!!!! n/t

[FreepFryer]

2. Maybe Teddy Kennedy won't stand up because he misses his big brothers.

Who will be avenged in justice someday.

Your kind of post is one tiny step in that direction. Great job.

Democrats, find your courage!

Resist! We Shall Overcome!

[BamaBecky]

42. Or, they promised him his life, if he would "play the game"...n/t

[purduejake]

3. I'd personally rather die free than live in fear...

I used to think Kerry felt the same way.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

32. What if people besides himself would be "hurt" should he speak up?

What if another 9-11 just happened to be in the wings should things not go the shrubs way... I am not saying I BELIEVE this to be true, but I do not rule anything out. Hard to rule anything out given all we have seen and lived through.

[pbartch]

76. I think about those threats often. "These people" will stop at nothing

nothing to get what they want.

The Kennedy brothers.......

Another JFK killed early before his time.

Repukes are evil.

[Vektor]

4. Also, he did conceed on Nov. 3....

Not much had been gathered by then, - he probably really thought he lost. He had tears in his eyes during his concession speech. He was genuinely saddened and, I'm sure, believing he just plain lost the vote.

[politicasista]

6. He was really crying?

I know he had gotten choked up. It's just sad he couldn't hold out a little longer. Everybody would be happy here.:cry:

[Vektor]

7. he was teary eyed...

...he wasn't BAWLING hysterically like I was, but he sure wasn't happy.

[BamaBecky]

44. and his voice cracked when "thanking his supporters from the bottom of his

heart.

[txindy]

16. No, they wouldn't

Some people are never happy and they appear determined to remain that way.

[spooked]

31. No, remember his NERVOUS LAUGHTER as he said

he was sorry he was "a little bit late, a little bit short"

His nervous laugh told me he didn't believe for one minute that he REALLY lost.

[Vektor]

49. He might definitely have suspected...

but at that point, no investigations had been done yet, so he wouldn't have been able to know what we all know now - at least not the extent of how "fishy" it was going to get.

[elshiva]

73. I saw the concession speech...

he was crying on the inside totally. From the salute to the God Bless America he was ready to bawl and Momma T looked like she was about to crack too. Of course, I could hardly see through the tears. No, it's better that he chose life so to speak and conceded, go on being a senator. If RFK lived and lost, he could have still done a lot of good. Kerry can still be a great senator.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

33. I think he had tears in his eyes because he knew he was screwed

due to what, we do not know.

[CoffeeCat]

68. I think he knew that WE were screwed, as well.

I think Kerry knew he had it in the bag. All polls were trending toward a Kerry win. The exit polls gave Kerry the election.
Even the Newsweek article had Kerry and his staff believing that he was the President--up until 7 p.m.

The man knew he was robbed. He knew when the election shifted, what was going on. Kerry's people were polling up until the first vote was cast. They knew they were going to win.

I think Kerry fell in love with the people of America during his campaign. He met millions of us who loved him and had undying loyalty and faith in him.

I feel that he knows Democracy and our electoral process is dead, and it hurts more--after being touched by so many of us.

He must feel like the captain of the Titanic.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

75. I have had similar thoughts...

Remember when he gave the concession speech, he mentioned a little boy who had come to a rally, and brought along a bag of money he had earned, and gave it to John Kerry for his campaign. Kerry was obviously choked up over that...

SOmething awful is going on, and I just know this must be unbearable for him not to be able to tell us what is happening, or fight like he said he would. I know this man has integrity, and that he would not go back on his pledge unless something major was keeping him from doing so.

I often think of his daughters, and wonder what they know, and think how difficult this must be for them to see their father go through this. Alexandra didn't even show up when he conceded. Perhaps she couldn't bear it.

I just hope with everything I've got, that the "reign of witches" really will end soon...

[righteous1]

5. ROFLMAO, this is the most amusing post i have read since Clint

Curtis's dog was rubbed out by the Fla chapter of the VRWC.

[Vektor]

11. Nothing amusing about rubbing out a dog.

I happen to like the furry little critters quite a bit myself, and though I sometimes take issue with the death penalty, (on occasion)-- dog rubber-outers deserve it!!

[righteous1]

25. I was kidding,

As far as can be determined it never happened, and btw I have two G retrievers that I love to death. Anyone harms a hair on there head and I'd go get a rope

[Vektor]

28. I know...

I was kind of being facetious too. :-)
Though I'd be PISSED if some thug assassinated a dog.

[Emit]

17. What's so amusing about it?

Just curious what you're referring to?

[righteous1]

22. The OP. The premise is so far beyond "out there" that it defies

explanation. At first I thought it was intended as entertainment but I guess not. Oh well, everyones entitled

[Emit]

35. I don't know what "The OP" means, but...

I think I know where you're coming from. I used to skip over a lot of this kind of info on the net, as it does seem to be so far "out there." I'm a college grad with masters' research under my belt in Psych/Stats/etc., so I know how to reason, and I live with a Republican (who volunteered for Kerry, BTW!) and who keeps my feet grounded in a manner of speaking (we see things differently sometimes). But over the last year and a half, I have read so many books and articles about Bush & Co., drug trafficking, Saudis, "secret government", BCCI, CIA, etc. that, well, maybe I've become immuned to the initial outlandishness of these kinds of articles. I think there are some real concerns here. We live in a bubble in mainstream America, protected from some of this outrageous "news", and Bush & Co. are betting that most of us will roll our eyes at this kind of info and find it so Tom Clancyish and unbelievable, that we'll ignore it or be laughed at if we believe it. But, just the other day, I came across an old video that Bill Moyers did on the Secret Government, musta been from the late 70's or early 80's. It brought to mind that this kinda stuff is not new news. Our media just hasn't been doing it's job like they used to back then and like during the era of Watergate. Things like this are relegated to the Internet now, where we are taught and told not to trust what we read online (for good reason, too!). Then it is hard to reason out the truth. I, for one, think there are some very strange and alarming connections with Bush & Co., government officials and agencies in general, current Republicans, freaky religious fanantics, wealthy elite with too much power and clout, and all these strange "suicided" victims' stories. To see connections like these to the more recent e-voting companies raises some concerns, in my mind, and makes me feel like we are powerless over our supposed democratic Republic. This stuff has been going on for years and we were warned over and over. Maybe we're just too afraid or skeptical now. Or, maybe I've been reading too much...

[righteous1]

36. OP = original post

[Emit]

37. OK, thanks

[BigBearJohn]

8. I just had a very weird thought --

The Russian people are becoming more and
more like people of the United States were
years and years ago and the people of the
United States are becoming more and more
like the Russians of years ago.

[Verve]

12. LOL! A little vodka anyone? n/t

[righteous1]

38. Yes most definately to chase the Lithium and Thorazine n/t

[southwood]

26. not so weird

The people from the former Soviet Bloc monitoring the U.S. elections in 2004 for the OSCE were amazed how similar U.S. elections were to their old system, in particular how the political parties (as opposed to a non-partison national election committee guided by national standards and rules) apparently run elections

[Verve]

43. Hey! I'm not disagreeing with BigBear! The vodka's to drown my sorrows

because he might have a point!:toast:

[Helga Scow Stern]

45. Hi southwood, welcome to DU. Do you have a link for that? n/t

[newyawker99]

81. Hi southwood!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[Eye_on_prize]

72. I think you're onto something here. would make a great article. or book

would be instructive to show how we've become what we hated and feared, as a collective. Nietchie .. " be careful when you fight the dragon, that you don't become the dragon". Parallels with Germany and Israel perhaps.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

77. REmember when we had to listen to the 2nd Conyers hearing

on Radio Left? And it sounded scratchy and garbled at first, and it felt like we were behind the iron curtain listening to Radio Free Europe...

[FtWayneBlue]

9. Maybe wanting to stay alive is why

he is going overseas this week instead of being in the thick of the fray in Washington, DC. At least it gives him some kind of excuse for not being "the one" to sign on to decertify the election.
In person, anyway....hmmmmmm

[Old and In the Way]

10. I don't think Kerry fears for his life.

But I do wonder if he had his daughters threatened.....

[cookies7]

34. Do you have a source

for that or is that just something you are wondering outloud.

[righteous1]

39. Watch it now, the paranoia....it rubs off n/t

[cookies7]

59. It just seems

an odd comment to make without some form of documentation. Who would want to hurt such beautiful daughters as Kerry has.

[righteous1]

64. I'm sure they are quite safe, and the contention that JK is not contesting

the election because he fears for his life is way beyond ludicrous

[cookies7]

66. No one has seen them since the concession speech.

Maybe they are in hiding. Where is Kerry, BTW? Are they with him? And what about Theresa. Where has she been.

[righteous1]

69. Well I, was not going to tell you but according to sources connected

with people who know someone from the Ohio BOE they along with JK and Thereza are being held in an undisclosed location in chains enduring torture (forced listening to Country & Western music)awaiting imminent execution

[cookies7]

70. Oh sure...

Make light of something so serious! I really heard they were at...oh shh. sorry, I wasn't suppose to say where I heard they are at. Me and my big mouth. But really, I have a friend who works for..oh there I go again.

[Old and In the Way]

61. Was weapons grade anthrax sent to Daschle's and Leahy's office

shortly after Cheney suggested that they not call for an investigation of 9/11? BTW, were those killers ever brought to justice?

I put nothing past the BFEE....

[cali]

13. How is this different than the Hillary

offed Vince Foster conspiracies so dearly loved by freepers?

[anaxarchos]

41. Because....

It introduces the Kerry went to Iraq for SAFETY variant.
Wow, this gets my vote.

[righteous1]

46. Does it not seem much more logical that he went over there to

raise his profile for his upcoming legislative initiatives, and ultimately his 2008 run?

[anaxarchos]

51. I was being sarcastic...

Sorry.

[righteous1]

65. Sorry, sometimes sarcasm is hard to pick up from cold hard text

[Emit]

53. Yes it does...I agree with you

I don't buy into the beginning premise of the OP that Kerry conceded (or is overseas) because he fears for his life, necessarily. My previous comments were meant in regards to the data/articles that the original poster made reference to.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

79. I will sure be praying for his safety on the flight over there and back...

Seems there have been some "flight problems" lately...Edwards, The MSNBC guy, and another, a group of dems, if I recall correctly.

[Emit]

14. yikes.

:wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow:

[deminflorida]

15. He'll live forever now in History just as this guy did.....

George Brinton McClellan

1826-1885

The Greatest General America Ever Produced
Who Refused to Fight.

[deminflorida]

18. P.S. He was also a Democratic Candidate for President....

:eyes:

[anaxarchos]

58. Letter....

My dear McClellan:

If you don’t want to use the army I should like to borrow it for a while.

Yours respectfully,

A. Lincoln

[righteous1]

63. LOL....That is an outstanding quote. His successor

Burnside was a step backward ,however

[meisje]

19. Your Tinfoil is cutting off all oxygen to your brain

Please remove your hat for a period of not less than 6 hours!

[sunnystarr]

27. I would love it if you can refute the connections. (nt)

[BigBearJohn]

20. If this is true ~~

What are we even wasting our time for?
I guess money can just about buy anything.

[NVMojo]

21. I believe John Kerry knows alot that he can't say in public ...

we can't forget, he tangled with the Bush clan once before during the BCCI scandal ...alot of the personal crap thrown at him was probably for tha as much as it was to eliminate him "politically" for President and for any other investigation he may launch into the Bush cabal....

[pretzel4gore]

24. and he did win the election

it's the people who are being conned...

[ginnyinWI]

48. He also tangled with the Reagan adm.--

The Contras/drug trafficking/Ollie North illegal activites--Kerry broke the scandal open. Also the CIA backing of Noriega in Panama--Kerry first to investigate--later was confirmed to be true.

Then under Bush I, investigating BCCI, drug trafficking, money laundering--led to shutting it down, implicating government agencies... lots of chances to make lots of enemies. Yet he's kept at it--don't let anyone ever tell you that he isn't made of the right stuff!! He know these guys from WAY back.

[corbett]

67. Top Secret Clearance

Of course he knows things he can't say in public! Remember during the closing days of the campaign when the UBL video "surfaced" and he had to delay campaign events to receive his Secret Service report? He doesn't have the shrub's clearance but he's no flunky either.

I'm sure that he knows about the communication between */KKKarl and Blackwell on 11/2. More than enough evidence to put him in the White House is out there and not buried too deep. He just needs the right moment to spill it and spill it in a way which can't be ignored/marginalized.

[The Gigmeister]

23. Oh Good God!!

Now I've seen (Read) EVERYTHING!!

[FreepFryer]

47. QED, You haven't. n/t

[mirrera]

29. Awesome Awesome post!

I am like you, just now really looking close. OMG, it is scary, the connections, the plane crashes, makes you want to stay a big fat NOBODY! Nope nothing here... I believe everything...just waiting for the next episode of "who's your daddy"! Really!

[eowyn_of_rohan]

30. Thank you sunnystarr

I just started digging on Khashoggi and appreciate all the work you have done to come up with all of this info. I don't doubt at all that something nefarious may be keeping Kerry and other Dems silent. Don't listen to the naysayers here. Who knows what their interest levels are, if you read me.

[BeFree]

40. Yes...good post, sunnystar

If anyone doubts your research, they should go google themselves.

Hey, I like that: "Go Google Yourself!"

The connections are not in the least bit a surprise to this writer, who sometimes wishes he was like one of those three monkeys: "See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil." But I ain't. Therefore, I appreciate what you are going through. Peace.

[FreepFryer]

50. Ray Lemme would agree

As might the following individuals, each of which committed suicide after becoming involved with one or more of the abovementioned or not-therementioned events involving the Bush crime family.

Gary Webb
David Kelly
Asst US Atty Richardson
J, Cliff Baxter
Navy Secretary-designate Colin McMillan
Webster G. Tarpley
Danny Calosaro
Mark Lombardi
J.H. Hatfield
Charles Dana Rice
Jake Horton
Margie Schoedinger
Athan Gibbs Sr
Steve Kangas
Jason Korsower

and unfortunately, others.

Note: I am accusing no one of anything, these peoples' deaths were ruled suicides. Just google their names and make your own judgments.

[Zan_of_Texas]

80. Great OP! I've been wondering how deep the Khashoggi link was.

Keep your coincidence caps handy folks. Are all of these foul play? Probably not. Are all accidents? Hmmmm.

1. Dan Rocco -- April 1, 2002 -- ChoicePoint VP -- plane crash

He died on April 1, 2002, in a plane crash in Gainesville, Georgia. He was an executive vice president at ChoicePoint, the firm that gained infamy with their faulty "felons" list supplied to Katherine Harris during the 2000 election in Florida. As a result of this list, over 90,000 voters (mostly African-American voters) were wrongly identified as felons and purged from the rolls.
<<http://www.bk2k.com/bushbodycount/stolen-election/bodies.shtml>>


2. Wesley Vance -- April 26, 2003 -- Diebold VP -- plane crash

Pilot Killed In Plane Crash Was Top Exec At Diebold

April 28, 2003 10:50AM
<<http://www.wkbn.com/Global/story.asp?S=1253108>>
(Jackson-AP) -- The pilot of a single-engine airplane that crashed in southern Ohio over the weekend was the chief operating officer of Canton-based Diebold Incorporated.
The company says 45-year-old Wesley Vance of Canton was flying a private plane that crashed Saturday near the Jackson County Airport. ...The company says Vance joined Diebold in October, 2000, as president of its North America business unit. He was named chief operating officer in 2001. Chief Executive Walden O'Dell will assume the company's daily operational responsibilities until a successor is found for Vance. An airport spokesman says Vance was practicing takeoffs and landings in a six-seat Beachcraft A-36 when it crashed near the airport.

~~~

http://www.abqjournal.com/obits/profiles/vance05-02-03.htm
Vance was an Eagle Scout, elected to Boys State, and a church-going Mormon, married, father of five. He earned a degree from Brigham Young University. He was described as a confident person who people liked to be around. His senior class in high school voted him "favorite boy". He had been a pilot for over twenty years. He was named to Diebold's No. 2 position as COO in 2001, managing the company's global operations.


3. Anthony J. Celebrezze Jr. -- July 4, 2003 -- Diebold consultant -- cause of death not confirmed

Anthony Celebrezze Dies

<http://www.cleveland.com/news/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/news/1057397985113640.xml>
07/05/03

Former Ohio Attorney General Anthony J. Celebrezze Jr., 61, died yesterday in an Urbana hospital. Champaign County Coroner Joshua Richards confirmed that Celebrezze died about 9 p.m. yesterday, but would not confirm a cause of death.

Celebrezze, a Democrat of Columbus, was a stalwart in Cleveland and Ohio politics.... He was 38 when he was elected secretary of state in 1978.

He was Ohio attorney general from 1983 to 1991, and Ohio secretary of state from 1979 to 1983. Celebrezze ran against George Voinovich for governor in 1990 but lost.

Wayne Hill, Celebrezze's longtime communications director during the 1978 campaign for secretary of state and then attorney general, was in shock at Celebrezze's death yesterday.

Hill said Celebrezze, who enjoyed racing cars, was at Shady Bowl Speedway in De Graff for a Fourth of July race when he felt ill. De Graff is west of Columbus.

"It's beyond a shock. Tony had a passion for racing," said Hill in a telephone interview. "It's unbelievable. It's not right."

...After his loss to Voinovich, Celebrezze joined the law firm of Kegler, Brown, Hill & Ritter, and recently was a consultant for Diebold Inc., promoting electronic voting machines.


4. Athan Gibbs, Jr. -- March 12, 2004 -- invented the TruVote system -- car crash - collided w/ 18-wheeler

Was planning to present his new voting machine, and its paper verification features, to the Georgia legislature within a week of the crash.

"Death of a Patriot: No More 'Blind Faith Voting,'" by Bob Fitrakis http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0318-02.htm

"Black Voting Machine Inventor Dies," by Hazel Trice Edney, The Call,
March 26, 2004 http://www.kccall.com/News/2004/0326/Community/081.html

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

And, don't forget the little warning that was sent to US Senators, after 9-11, after the anthrax, and during the sniper hysteria in the DC area, but right BEFORE Congress was to consider Bush's demand for carte blanche to start a war in Iraq.

U.S. senators warned of al Qaeda snipers on golf courses

Friday, October 18, 2002 Posted: 9:19 PM EDT

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- U.S. senators were warned earlier this week that those who play golf may be targets of al Qaeda snipers on golf courses and were given tips on how to protect themselves, a U.S. Capitol Police spokeswoman said.

Police were notified about the potential threat to senators, said Marcia Krug, a Capitol Police spokeswoman. She would not say which agency notified the Capitol Police or when exactly they were told. But she said her department, in turn, notified the sergeant-at-arms, who then notified the senators that al Qaeda snipers might be looming near golf courses, ready to pick them off. The sergeant-at-arms, who is in charge of lawmakers' security, did suggest precautions the senators should take, Krug said. She would not elaborate.

The threat information was passed as a sniper, who has killed nine people and wounded two others in the Washington area, remains at large. Authorities investigating that case have said there is no evidence suggesting that a sniper working for a terrorist group is behind the shootings. Meanwhile, FBI agents have been questioning an al Qaeda suspect being held in Belgium who bragged to his interrogators that he had witnessed al Qaeda training for snipers, European intelligence sources said Friday. The FBI, one of many agencies involved in the Washington-area sniper shooting investigation, refused to confirm or deny it had sent agents to Brussels.

Nizar Trabelsi has been in custody since two days after the September 11 terror attacks in the United States, accused of plotting a suicide bombing of the U.S. Embassy in Paris. Trabelsi, who confessed to the plot in December, is interrogated regularly. FBI investigators have interviewed Trabelsi within the last two or three days, the European intelligence sources told CNN. The sources said Trabelsi told investigators of a plan in which snipers would attack American senators on a golf course, and described how fighters were trained to shoot targets from up to 250 meters (820 feet) and shoot from the back of pickup trucks. Belgian investigators reacted skeptically to any suggestion of a link with the D.C.-area shootings that began October 2, noting the suspect has had access to newspaper and TV accounts of the spree. In addition, they said, disinformation is a key al Qaeda tactic. As a member of the north African Salafist terrorist group, affiliated with al Qaeda, Trabelsi embraces the doctrine of continuing the jihad struggle by deception of the enemy. Belgian investigators say his interrogations have been consistent with this doctrine. Investigators have recently been questioning Guantanamo Bay detainees about snipers, but Trabelsi was not subject to this. Belgian sources tell CNN he volunteered the topic of his own accord.

http://www.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/10/18/alqaeda.snipers.senators/

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Then, there are those two odd Supreme Court justice incidents.

On April 28, 2004, the Supreme Court heard oral arguments on the cases of two American citizens being held as enemy combatants, Yaser Hamdi and Jose Padilla. According to a report at Indymedia, Justice David Souter was critical of the government's position.

Two days later, Justice Souter was attacked by unknown assailants, while out jogging. It was a Friday night at 9 p.m.. He suffered minor injuries, was taken to a hospital, and released about 4 hours later, in the wee hours of the morning. Kathleen Arberg, the Supreme Court's public information officer, said the justice was attacked by "several young men."

The attack took place around 9 p.m. Robbery was not involved, Ms. Arberg said. Justice Souter, 64, is an avid jogger and hiker who runs regularly around the track at Fort McNair, an Army base near his apartment in the Southwest section of Washington. For "security reasons," the court did not identify the precise location of the attack. Nor was the number of attackers or a description of them immediately released.

The attackers, who escaped, did not appear to be armed, Ms. Arberg said. A spokesperson for Washington Metropolitan Police said last week that no suspects had been arrested and that an investigation continues. He said police do not know the motivation for the attack.

Souter is very private, is among the youngest justices and is a regular jogger. He is a lifelong bachelor who lives alone and is the justice least likely to be seen on the speaking circuit or at Washington parties.

When justices of the Supreme Court make speeches or attend functions in their official capacity, they are accompanied by court police officers or U.S. marshals. But in their daily lives, they go about their business mostly on their own.

The incident recalled a mishap last summer involving another justice. It was just a week after the Michigan affirmative action decision and the Texas sodomy decision of the Supreme Court last summer that a heavy frame nearly collapsed on Justice Sandra Day O'Connor. The decisions came down the last week of June, 2003.

During July 4th, 2003 festivities in Philadelphia, a large piece of a wood and steel stage frame came crashing down, narrowly missing Justice O'Connor. She was not hit but was heard through an open microphone saying "we could all have been killed." Several other people, including Phily's mayor, were hit. Three were hospitalized and released. At the time of the incident last summer, a spokesperson for the Constitution Center said officials were trying to determine what went wrong.

Supreme Court incidents, SOURCES:

Justice Souter Is Attacked While Jogging
By THE NEW YORK TIMES
Published: May 2, 2004
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/02/politics/02SOUT.html

Attack on Souter shows justices' minimal security
By Joan Biskupic, USA TODAY
May 2, 2004
http://www.google.com/url?sa=X&oi=news&start=0&num=1&q=http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2004-05-02-souter-usat_x.htm

Supreme Court Justice Souter Assaulted
Was Jogging On City Street In Washington
KDKA Channel TWO http://kdka.com/topstories/topstoriestv_story_122171152.html

Justice Souter assaulted during jog
Police sources: Attack appears to have been random
Saturday, May 1, 2004 Posted: 4:48 PM EDT (2048 GMT)
http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/05/01/souter.assaulted/index.html


Close Call For Justice O'Connor
PHILADELPHIA, July 4, 2003
CBS News http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/07/04/national/printable561779.shtml

Justice Sandra Day O'Connor nearly clobbered by Constitution
By Michael Fraase http://www.michaelfraase.com/index.php/hasten/justice_sandra_day_oconnor_nearly_clobbered_by_constitution/
Saturday, 05 July 2003

[Alizaryn]

52. Were you able to come up with any tie between

Rapp and Khashoggi? I suspect there may be one but its buried.

[Shalom]

54. Great Contribution ! Bushes in Bed with Bandar and Khashoggi ! nt

[rox63]

57. I didn't need that image

of Bush in bed with Bandar and Khashoggi. EWWW!!!!

Scarred for life, I tell ya....

:wow: :puke: :puke: :puke:

[Shalom]

60. It's OK, since Laura and "Candy the Ho" Rice are in bed with them, too....

[Shalom]

55. Or That It Was Impossible to Prove or Overturn Fraud = Futility

[pixelthief]

56. Great post. n/t

[MelissaB]

62. Great set of links!

I've done so much reading since this election I'll need glasses soon.
I hope somebody adds to these. It would be interesting to see many links we could pull together about this man and his deeds.

[snot]

71. Kick; and, you might consider re-naming this post

with a more informative subject.

[Dancing_Dave]

74. There's just no point in Fatalism.

There's some useful information in the post, but the idea that grassroots activism can't work to clean up elections, is just way off! Progressive grassroots activism against corruption has succeeded in the U.S. before, and it can again.

Kerry was always behind the curve on recognizing the electronic fraud issue...Dean was much more aware of it well BEFORE Nov. 2, 2004, the "day which will live in infamy". If you weren't aware before, there wasn't much time to learn and do something after.

[spooked911]

78. Don't forget this really weird link-- Theresa Lepore worked for Kashoggi

Lepore was and still is chief deputy supervisor of elections in Palm Beach County.


"Madame Butterfly" Theresa LePore wasn't always an embattled Palm Beach ballots chief. In the 1980s, she moonlighted as a flight attendant on private planes owned by Saudi weapons dealer Adnan Khashoggi"

http://slate.msn.com/id/1006609/

[dandrhesse]

82. what's truly incredible is it seems Bush thinks he is immune

Are both Bush and the his buddies so arrogant, that they think this monster they've help create or empower will not turn on them? naive no, only megalomaniac ego could convince them that they are indispensable.

[Imagevision]

83. Interesting tidbit -- The guy form the Enquirer office who died of...

Anthrax is the very same puppy who printed all the articles of the Bush daughters: drunks wild behavior etc.

And we never did find out just who was behind the anthrax did we?

yaaaaaawwwwnnnn......!