How many called Senator Clinton's office and asked for her to stand with

[shance]

Conyers?

I did. I called her office yesterday, and I also asked the aid specifically if Senator Clinton received these messages daily and she said Mrs. Clinton was briefed on all messages daily.

Senator Clinton was interviewed on KPFA this afternoon and said "she was not aware of" anyone asking her to stand up and support Congressman Conyers.

I think her office needs some calls tomorrow.

It appears someone is lying.


Mods. Please do not lock. I posted this thread in General Discussion as well.

[madison2000]

1. If Hillary Clinton hasn't heard of all this by now, that is really scary.

How many other Senators don't have a clue?

Do they rely on the MSM for news and ignore what is sent to their offices?

How do we get through to our Senators if calling, faxing, and emailing do no good?

[floridadem30]

2. both florida senators know cause they have emailed me stating

the eac is investigating.

[krrywon]

31. Both Florida

senators said no. They said they'd consider it but have decided not to, after looking at the evidence.

[merh]

49. eac?

Forgive the ignorance, but what is the eac?

[Trillo]

3. Per capita representation shrinks as population grows.

Pretty soon, they're overwhelmed, and need a raise for all the "work" they do controlling us for their corporate masters.

[shance]

5. The corporate masters just gave them a raise.

n/t

[shance]

4. Well, Madison, you bring up a good question.

Either Senator Clinton knows that this is indeed happening and its almost impossible, neglectful of her duties and totally irresponsible if she doesnt know what is going on, and/or she is not telling the truth,

or she is not receiving her messages because she doesnt want to receive them or because they are not being given to her.

None of these are the greatest scenarios.

[zann725]

17. Her 'not hearing about it' may be related to Bill on Larry King

recently with Poppy Bush.

I really don't feel she's our most likely candidate for speaking out. Her eyes are too set on 'the prize' of 08.

[roenyc]

22. good point

i have had a bad feeling about her since 9/11 she has been republican light. she hasn't been about New York but about flying under the radar. its apparent when she gave a glowing review of Kerik!!

thing is they think we dont notice and most people dont. so long as they have a job and life goes on.

but like you said she is married to Bill and that marriage is a business.

On January 7th time to start looking at our senators very carefully.

[pbartch]

58. WHAT IS HILLARY'S PHONE NUMBER???

POST IT.....I WILL PHONE!!

[Helga Scow Stern]

6. WTF? I for one faxed her a 27 page report on Ohio voting irregularites

just the other day.

[SlowDownFast]

7. She is lying.

For one of two reasons:

1. She is completely aware and has had plans to keep this 'below the radar', in order to avoid press, leaks to Repugs, etc in order facilitate success in contesting.

or


2. She is completely aware and doesn't give a fuck, ie: it's not important to her, she's afraid, or believes it's futile - in other words a spineless bitch like the rest of demos that won't contest.

[adadem]

8. I'm feeling the answer is

2

[bunny planet]

9. She will never risk what she thinks are her chances of running for Prez in

2008 or 2012. If there is a 2008 or 2012.:scared:

[shance]

10. If that is true that is very disheartening. To me, her standing up would

solidify my support for her and I believe almost every other American as well. I believe it would ensure her presidency.

If that is true, that makes me believe our election system is definably rigged and she's ready and willing for it to stay the same.

In other words, she cares more for her ascendency than she does the country?

[bunny planet]

12. I agree. If she were the one to stand up I think it would actually better

her chances of getting nominated for President. I would be happy to be wrong. I used to be a New Yorker, live in NJ now. Maybe I'll call ol'Hillary tommorrow too after I put in a call to my Senator Frank Lautenberg.

[tngledwebb]

20. But she has less of a 'chance' than Kerry or Gore,

and always would be an extremely long shot as she is so deeply hated by the anti-feminist right.

But surely Dem leaders must know there won't be any free election next time if this one is allowed to stand? If not one Senator responds- what then?

[seabeyond]

33. i wont vote for her, and spread the word

i wont. i want a woman president, but i want the first woman president to kick balls in smart and honest and non corupt. i wont put in a female version of the white male. i wont

that will not be my first woman president vote

[glitch]

56. No Risk = No Reward

I wish these people who have ideas for 2008 understood that simple rule.

[Alizaryn]

15. I've sent her 3 letters regarding the situation too.

(Never got a response either, did you?)

[SueZhope]

11. Yup I called & emailed

I just heard her say it and was shocked by her words of BS.
it sounds like she is Lying intentionally or in
la la land.....that was really bizarre
:wow:

[bywho4who]

13. If you know

Who she is in bed with than you should understand? and I don't mean Bill!

[DemonFighterLives]

14. What's the dish?

I find it all part of the vast right wing conspiracy that our representatives recieve no correspondenc or at least pretend not to.
Rather amazing that she can be in the dark along with Dayton in another thread. I hope they don't ignore Conyers as well.

If I was them, I would start purging the staff.

[rodeodance]

16. everyone should telephone--light up their switchboards!!

[roenyc]

23. spill it!!

comeon! please!

[Wilms]

18. Will do n/t

[Twist_U_Up]

19. I live in NY

and have sent her office everything pertaining to Ohio and Election Fraud.

If she is briefed daily then I suggest she gets a new briefer because they are filtering out my daily emails and phone calls

[roenyc]

21. Senator Clinton isnt

reading her email! i am always sending the woman a personal email. not one of the petition ones. and also the petition ones. i am so sick of this, whats the point?

[tngledwebb]

25. Don't think many pols have the time to read their e-mails.

They are probably screened by interns, and the gist of most summarized for the daily briefings.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

24. I don't trust her as far as you can throw her. I've been sending fax

after fax to her for months now. Not one single response. Not even the courtesy of the form letter as I received when I implored her not to vote to go to war. I swore then that I would never vote for her again.

[roenyc]

27. When i sent her an email on SS

i got a response on how important that issue was to her. so she is getting some of her mail. and someone is sorting it out.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

28. Social Security is a "safe" issue for her to deal with. n/t

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

38. Follow-up. I just called her's and Schumer's offices and told them

to contest. They are both receiving a lot of calls. :)

[Pacifist Patriot]

26. I wouldn't blame any senator for playing it cagey at this point.

Can't see myself voting for her for dog catcher, but still can't blame any senator for keeping mum.

[shance]

46. Cagey's one thing, denial is another.

I find it to be a disrespectful response to her constituents, Congressman Conyers and Americans that have been working so hard on this issue.

Seems a more more statesmanlike answer would have been to say something to the effect I have heard the concerns, I am concerned myself, and Im looking at the best way to proceed forward on it.

Her answer was a total denial of responsibility on what is the biggest issue facing our Democracy. It was dishonest and I believe a little shady for someone who I personally heard speak on how we must make election reform a top issue. It lacks ethics and integrity. Also, if this had been the first 'betrayal' so to speak from Mrs. Clinton, that would be understandable. Looking at her voting record, she has taken essentially no stands on anything of significance since she's been in office, atleast that comes to mind.

Perhaps there is a reason(s) for that, however, has she held townhalls to discuss such important issues with her supporters and constituents? Im sure the rooms would be wall to wall.

If cagey answers are acceptable for you and others, perhaps that gives a better indication why we are accepting such unacceptable answers and behavior from our own leaders and perhaps why our culture lacks a sense of courtesy, respect and concern for each other. I don't believe its okay to not do your job.

[Pacifist Patriot]

48. You make very valid points,

and as I stated I am no fan of Sen. Clinton's. However, I cannot pass judgment at this point of the firestorm. She did not respond the way I would have responded, or clearly how you would have responded, but given the situation I can't say I'm surprised any of them would play their cards closer to the vest than we'd like.

[Jo March]

29. Here are numbers for 10 other Senators that you can call :)

Senator Barbara Boxer, [phone],
[e-mail]

Senator Dick Durbin, [phone],
[e-mail]

Senator Russ Feingold, [phone],
[e-mail]

Senator Tom Harkin, [phone],
[e-mail]

Senator Jim Jeffords, [phone],
[e-mail]

Senator Edward Kennedy, 202/224-4543,
[e-mail]

Senator Patrick Leahy, [phone],
[e-mail]


Ten Senators:

1. Barbara Boxer

San Francisco
1700 Montgomery Street, Suite 240
San Francisco, CA 94111
[phone]
[phone] fax

Washington D.C.
112 Hart Senate Office Building
Washington, D.C. 20510
[phone]


2. Robert Graham

Washington, DC

524 Hart Senate Office Building
Washington, DC 20510
Phone [phone]
Fax [phone]

Tallahassee

2252 Killearn Center Boulevard, Suite 300
Tallahassee, Florida 32309
Phone [phone]
TDD 850-894-2882
Fax [phone]
Toll Free 866-418-9569

*
email: http://graham.senate.gov/email.html


3. Edward Kennedy
http://kennedy.senate.gov/index_low.html
315 Russell Senate Office Building
Washington, DC 20510

202/224-4543

2400 JFK Building
Boston, MA 02203
617/565-3170


4. Robert C. Byrd
311 Hart Building
Washington DC
202-224-3954

300 Virginia St. East, Suite 2630
Charleston, WV 2530
304-342-5855 phone
304-343-7144 Fax

email
http://byrd.senate.gov/byrd_email.html



5. Joseph Biden

Wilmington
1105 N. Market St.
Suite 2000
Wilmington, DE 19801-1233

Phone: [phone]
Fax: [phone]

201 Russell Senate Office Building
Washington, D.C. 20510

Phone: [phone]
Fax: [phone]
TDD: 202-224-5652
E-mail: [e-mail]


6. Barbara A. Mikulski (MD)
The Honorable Barbara A. Mikulski
Suite 709
Hart Senate Office Building
Washington, D.C. 20510
[phone]

Baltimore Office
Brown's Wharf
1629 Thames Street
Suite 400
Baltimore, Maryland 21231
410-962-4510 (phone)
410-962-4760 (fax)
410-962-4512 (TDD)


7. Jim Jeffords

Washington, D.C. Staff

413 Dirksen Senate Office Building
Washington, D.C. 20510
[phone]

Montpelier
453 Stone Cutters Way
Suite 1
Montpelier, VT 05602
[phone]
[phone] (Only in Vermont)

Email:
http://jeffords.senate.gov/contact-form.html


8. Patrick Leathy
Washington office
433 Russell Senate Office Bldg
(at Constitution and Delaware)
United States Senate
Washington, DC 20510
[phone]

Burlington office
199 Main Street, 4th Floor
Burlington, VT 05401
[phone]
1-800-642-3193

[e-mail]


9. Russ Feingold
Middleton
1600 Aspen Commons
Middleton, WI 53562-4716
[phone]
TDD [phone]
Washington, DC
506 Hart Senate Office Building
Washington, DC 20510-4904
[phone]
TDD [phone]

Email:[e-mail]
http://feingold.senate.gov/contact.html



10. Richard J. Durbin

Washington, DC
332 Dirksen Senate
Office Bldg.
Washington, DC 20510
[phone]
[phone] - fax

Chicago
230 South Dearborn St.
Suite 3892
Chicago, IL 60604
[phone]
[phone] - fax

Email:
http://durbin.senate.gov/sitepages/contact.cfm

[shance]

47. Thank you Arnheim for that great info***

I will copy it off and send to others.

[jdog]

30. I called her office on Monday. n/t

[sunnystarr]

32. She couldn't beat them so she joined them. She makes me sick! (nt)

[shance]

50. It does seem that way at times.

It seems to me to reveal more the consequences of such horrific treatment by Republicans like Newt Gingrich and the true evil they inflicted on otherwise good people. I often wonder by the Clintons compliance, seeming lack of conviction and resignation on important issues these days, if that is the end result of what the extremist Republicans have inflicted on them.

The Republican extremists and power mongers apparently set out to ruin good, decent, caring people, emotionally rape them, steal their dignity and their innocence, rob them of their spirit and then once they have taken everything they possibly could, if they still *need* you, they will pat you on the back and invite you into their club. Often those abused and treated in such a manner are so shell shocked and beaten down at that point, many times they will accept the offer with the devil(s).

Not to say this is how it is for the Clintons, however, it is definitely how many power abusers, bullies (and some Republicans) work and how they can damage and even ruin people and their lives, and consequently get those who otherwise wouldn't, to identify more with the offender.

[iconoclastNYC]

34. I called. For all the good it did.

I can't wait to vote against her in the NY Senate Primary race and in the '08 Presidential primary. She's is a corporate sell out. I have no doubt she'd be more conservative than her husband. She's the epitome of damaged goods. A Hillary presidential run would be a disaster for the DNC.

[Chelsea Patriot]

35. I've mailed and phoned both the DC and NYC offices on Monday.

I will be phoning again later this morning.

[seabeyond]

36. i emailed this morning. told her, "she hasnt heard election fraud

2004" and bills "bush won fair and square" wasnt going to cut it.

she could stand up for all american right to vote and that vote be counted, with the movement that already exists, or she will be part of the problem. this was my country, this is the peoples country, not hers, regardless of how smugly they feel it is.

[seabeyond]

37. play F* games with me. like hell they will

bush does it with his people. we laugh at them. i am not going to let some little ass woman,............i dont care who she thinks she is, treat me like i am stupid. and bill, yada yada yada

i am not a sheep. we al have a voice. let her know. post way above. i wont vote for her, not a chance in hell, i want a woman president and the first one isnt going to be a female white man. i want smart, integrity and non corupt.

i will go dean in 4 years. he seems to talk from heart the most. not always right on, but more than any others i have heard. and i am smart enough, i can hear. we all can

[rodeodance]

39. can't believe her office said she had not heard ot this. what a lame

stupid comment to make!!

[seabeyond]

43. HILLARY said it on some news program

about the same time as bill made his comment. kerry out of town. bush telling ohio supreme court to dismiss lawsuit, it is silly

enough

[seabeyond]

44. dnc sends me an email to stop onslaught of social secirity

on slaught of social security is result of our vote not counting. if they cant deal with that issue, how bogus us taking on a republican powerd house, senate and white house on this issue. f* you if that isnt a waste of my time

the gutting is result of dnc and hillary and kerry and bill and al.....and who ever else saying you all are such fools, look how we play you

[woodsprite]

40. I faxed her n/t

[AtLiberty]

41. I e-mailed her and all Dem senators...

I called some senators, too, but not Clinton.

[bear425]

42. I called yesterday and was told:

Senator Clinton sent legal teams to both of Conyers' hearings and that she is aware of the situation and is closely monitoring it. Also told that she has not, yet, issued a statement. Keep the calls going!

Senator Hillary Clinton:

[phone]


edit: spelling

[mamalone]

59. This is what I was told as well.

I called today and they said she was undecided. It took FOREVER to get through and they said that they have been getting huge numbers of calls on this.

[seabeyond]

45. her lie, "i didnt know" and bills lie "fair and square"

that has done it for me. they dont even have to deal with the issue of voter fraud. i want to know why jillary felt it appropriate to say to people she didnt know. lets deal with where we are at. call her, hte way we want repugs to call bush. and the media to call bush

[Sleepless In NY]

52. I e-mailed her & Schumer& called both their DC & NY Offices

Was told: "They are aware and paying close attention to the situation, but have not arrived at a decision yet". I told both of their offices I hoped they wouldn't embarrass us with their silence, and let Rep. Conyers & the Black Caucus down, like they did in 2001. I also added, what a lovely tribute it would be to Rep. Shirley Chisholm, if they spoke up, the way she always did.

I'm not holding my breath.

And I'm never voting for either one of them again, if they don't show some backbone. I've been disappointed by the both of them in the past & have let it go, but no more.

[Chelsea Patriot]

51. I phoned the NYC office; the DC line is busy

The Aide amswering the phone told me Senator Clinton is aware of the issues.

I'm going to continue trying DC.

[seabeyond]

53. oh but hilary said she wasnt aware, good she got informed n/t

[shance]

54. Yes, I would say she's informed now, thanks to all of yall***

Good work ladies and gents!! Pat yourselves on the back :)

[buddysmellgood]

55. I called.

[BrklynLiberal]

57. I just called about 1/2 hour ago...and I sent an email yesterday!!

Had to leave message at NYC number DC mailbox was full.

Also did the same for Schumer. Spoke to a very polite young lady at the NYC number.

Told both that I would be VERY reluctant to vote for them ever again if they did not have the courage to stand up for voters rights in this situation, since all that Conyers was asking for was to make sure that all the votes were counted.

[mordarlar]

60. I emailed weeks ago. The response was no letters from outside NY

[Chelsea Patriot]

61. I left a message in her DC Box before it filled up.

The letters I mailed to her, Schumer, Boxer, Byrd, and about a half-dozen other Dem. Senators should have arrived in their DC offices this afternoon.