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Kevin Spidel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 11:19 AM
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THE OFFICAL REPORT / House Judiciary Committee Democratic Staff
The report is over 100 pages of damning evidence! Can be found online on the front page of http://www.pdamerica.org.

While you're there, take action! We are over 100,000 emails to Congress on this issue now!


Direct link to the report:
"Preserving Democracy -- What Went Wrong in Ohio" A Status Report of the House Judiciary Committee Democratic Staff
http://www.pdamerica.org/field/final%20status%20report.pdf (3 MB)
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Darknyte7 Donating Member (687 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 11:21 AM
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1. Fantastic!
I'm diving into it now...
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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 11:21 AM
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2. Wow, 100 pages! Thanks for the update. n/t
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Darkhawk32 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 11:25 AM
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3. In my best naysayer voice:
"Oh, it's just 100 pages of nonsense. Just sit down and take your lumps. There's nothing conclusive in it at all. Conyers is just a selfish, greedy opportunist."
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 12:47 PM
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29. How About, "100 Pages & Yet No Smoking Gun"?
:eyes:
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Darkhawk32 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 12:49 PM
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32. Just in case my text didn't reflect my sarcasm.....
I was joking. :D
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itzamirakul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 11:25 AM
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4. Going there now...
thanks for the info....I will pass it on...
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 11:27 AM
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5. Thanks for the info - a nice days read ahead! :-)
:-)
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 11:27 AM
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6. That site is getting hammered; I hope they have backup servers...
...or others who can take some of the load....

Peace.
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Kevin Spidel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 12:58 PM
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41. seriously?
we have reported no problems? our server should hold up. But let me know. This is a hot document and we are being hammered, but the server is not nearly overloaded. Let me know.
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 11:28 AM
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7. Thanks! Sending to everyone I know.
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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 11:38 AM
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8. Fan-frickin-tastic!!!
This should prove to be most interesting. I'm going to read it with complete objectivity as if I'd never really been exposed to the massive evidence I have on here. If I come away believing that fraud may have occurred and warrants investigation or further action, I will feel all that much better about tomorrow. However, if I go, "Psst... Whatever," then all I can do is hope and pray about tomorrow. Actually, I'll be hoping and praying no matter what! Happy reading everyone!
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 11:41 AM
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9. Easy to read; comprehensive and, it's only OH; wonder who will..
....be presenting all the stuff from other States.....

We Have No Election.

Peace.
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keepthemhonest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 11:43 AM
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10. how the hell am I going to print 100
pages, I will use up all my ink. oh well Too hard to read important stuff like that on the computer and this is history I want a piece.
thanks for the link
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 03:11 PM
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65. Just download and view off-line.
The report is in PDF file. It includes contents page, numerous footnotes, and a few photos as well. (in other words, it ain't nearly as long as it sounds!)
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keepthemhonest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 04:53 PM
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86. That sounds like a good idea. eom
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 11:49 AM
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11. That brought a tear to my eye.
I hope before I die, I'll get to find out what happened in Warren County.

I just skimmed the contents and leads in the paragraphs (cause I'm at work), but yay!

What ARE they hiding? :)
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 03:13 PM
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66. Hey, Patsy - YOU won't be surprised at the content.
But it IS thorough.

Let's just say the question is no longer WHAT are THEY hiding, but WHY ISN'T BLACKWELL IN HIDING?

I'd hate to be his sorry ass right now.
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 03:18 PM
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68. Kathy B, Oh, what could it be?
Soon it's the witness protection program for her -- or a seat in Congress :)
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itzamirakul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 11:49 AM
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12. I sent my emails and now I am going to...
call each of my Senators. I haven't read the report yet, but I will do so very soon.

Thanks for all that you do, Kevin
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jmatthan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 11:52 AM
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13. Fantastic Read

I have just been through the report.

I hope that each and every one of you will download and print copies of this report and ensure that it is given to every single person you know who cannot access it themselves. I have already circulated it among many of my friends.

Please get it out to every single person whom you know in Washington DC as well as in Ohio, Florida and New Mexico.

As the Senators go into the Senate tomorrow, I hope all of you will be there in numbers waving a copy of this report - and even after this if they do not stand up to support Rep. Conyers in the challenge, I think you had better think of quitting the Democrat party and also changing the name of this forum from Democratic Underground to a new Honest Elections Forum!!

Remember they supported the Patriot Act without even reading it. If they do not support the Conyers report we, The world over, will know the REAL character of these people whom you have representing you, and not a single Senate politician from the US will be welcome wherever I have a say!!!

If no Senator stands up tomorrow after reading this you had better be prepared to be ranked among the most hated people on the planet alongside the most hated person on this Universe - a corrupt person whom you have called your pResident for the last four years.

This is the very last straw.

Thank you Rep. Conyers for giving shape to this work of immense labour.

Jacob Matthan
Oulu. Finland
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zann725 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 12:38 PM
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24. Thank you for your support!
Anyone you know interested in arresting an election-stealing, War Criminal when he next travels abroad?
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 03:15 PM
Response to Reply #13
67. Maybe Michael Moore can rent an ice cream truck again,
and read it to them tomorrow!
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noonriser Donating Member (216 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 03:25 PM
Response to Reply #13
71. Not my President! Never!!!
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Deb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 11:56 AM
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14. Thanks for the link n/t
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femme.democratique Donating Member (969 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 11:59 AM
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15. Walt Starr, are you reading? I want a three-page summary from you!
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Verve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 12:37 PM
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22. LOL! Only if Obama is in there will we hear from him! Ha! Ha! n/t
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ccarter84 Donating Member (412 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 12:04 PM
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16. this is great!...but um where's NM NV...others?
they do a VERY detailed job with ohio...stuff shows up there i'm betting we didn't even know about yet...well i'm sure not many of us atleast. (taking a page from TIA) BUT WHERE ARE THE OTHER STATES!!!!!? This is 100 pages of OH pure and unadulterated by other material from other states...in my cursory read atleast.

Having gone to a meeting of over 400 people last night in SF, there is acknowledgement of how many states there are irregularities in, I hope that Conyers can expand his scope soon so that these states are not forgotten.
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 12:32 PM
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20. What about Florida? ES&S, the convicted felons who own the machines?
...or the connections to political operatives in other states that have questionable ties to criminals?
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Verve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 12:43 PM
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26. I think they made a calculated risk! With little time they went with the
worst offender, Ohio. (Although, Florida is probably just as bad if not worse. Florida has already begun to destroy evidence, however, so Ohio is the way to go.)

If Fraud can be proven in just 1 state, it can be inferred in others! The dominoes will start to fall!
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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 01:53 PM
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55. I have a feeling that
with Jebbie in FL they decided any other state would be easier to pin down.

Makes sense to me.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 12:21 PM
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17. Hmmm, this must be filled with pictures, 102 pages --
there was no fraud - ohio had fair and honest elections <sarcasm>
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SaveAmerica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 02:05 PM
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58. Filled with pictures for GW's benefit?
I don't understand this, can you give me an EX plan ashun?

:freak:



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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 03:02 PM
Response to Reply #58
61. Yes, the weed has trouble reading any books without pictures.
He gets bored and falls asleep!
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 12:28 PM
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18. Intersting, search the document for the word "fraud"
You will not find a single instance where fraud is actually charged within the document, only claims of fraud cited, mostly in other elections.

There are charges of irregularities, which is something that can be charged in any election held in any state, but no out and out charges of fraud, nor proof of fraud, nor absolute claim of fraud. Most instances of the word fraud appearing in this report are in reference ot other events, the titles of other documents, or citations of Ohio statute that have the word fraud within them.

Very interesting indeed.
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Laurab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 12:34 PM
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21. Maybe you should read the document? NT
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 12:47 PM
Response to Reply #21
30. If one were to charge fraud
one would use the word fraud.

This document does not charge fraud.
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Laurab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 01:51 PM
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53. Well it does, and illegal, too and lots of other words
Fraud is in the eye of the beholder and you just do NOT want to see it. Fraud must be proven - this report suggests fraud, and goes on to back up its allegations, which of course, must be proven, and cannot be, without cooperation from the criminals that perpetuated the fraud. It also suggests many illegal activities, and backs those suggestions up with facts as well.

The report acknowledges the lack of cooperation from Ohio officials, specifically Kenneth Blackwell. It alleges fraud, backs it up with facts, but perhaps doesn't out and out charge fraud because it is awaiting the answers from Mr. Blackwell that are sure to be forthcoming, and will, of course, clear up this whole 102 page misunderstanding.

Do you understand ILLEGAL? Never mind - nothing to see here.

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Laurab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 12:39 PM
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25. Maybe another word would be good?
I'm on page two and I've seen "Illegal" twice - that might be even worse than fraud?
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Darknyte7 Donating Member (687 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 12:43 PM
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27. You haven't read Walt...
If you had, you would have found several references to suspected fraud.
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 12:47 PM
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28. A reference to suspected fraud is NOT a charge of fraud
:eyes:
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Darknyte7 Donating Member (687 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 12:49 PM
Response to Reply #28
31. You're hopeless...
And you still haven't read it...
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 12:51 PM
Response to Reply #31
34. I will read it
but I have noted, this document does not charge fraud.
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Darknyte7 Donating Member (687 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 12:51 PM
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35. LMAO!
I rest my case...
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 12:54 PM
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37. Dude, all you have to do is read EVERY PASSAGE WITH THE WORD FRAUD
I have done that. Not a single passage in the document with the word "fraud" contained makes charges of fraud!
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Darknyte7 Donating Member (687 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 12:58 PM
Response to Reply #37
42. I said I rest my case sir...
Talk to me after you've done the reading.
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 01:16 PM
Response to Reply #42
47. Halfway there
and no charges of fraud. Charges of irregularities and if you want to contest the election based upon irregularities, make your case.

More when I've finished completely
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sepia_steel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 03:22 PM
Response to Reply #42
70. OH GOD
SOMEBODY PLEASE START ALERTING ON WALT. ALL HE DOES IS START SHIT WITHOUT ANY REASONING BACKING IT UP. ALERT, ALERT, ALERT. DISRUPTIVE.
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UltraDem Donating Member (64 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 04:32 PM
Response to Reply #70
80. My goodness...
relax, would you? Walt isn't "starting shit", as you so eloquently put it. He's just raising some valid questions. Personally, I'm glad he did. Thanks Walt.
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roenyc Donating Member (824 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 01:21 PM
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49. Do you need to see the hand inside the cookie jar to know
the cookies are stolen? jeez! most cases of theft are based on circumstantial evidence. fingerprints perhaps. we cant even get to the cookie jars to get the damn fingerprints!

because they are off limits. so there is reason to "suspect" fraud because votes are um, missing like the cookies according to the exit polls. they say they put cookies in the Kerry jar and they are not there.

So there is circumstantial evidence of theft. there would be more evidence of theft if the people were allowed to do a proper recount or inspect the machines that were tampered with.
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 04:05 PM
Response to Reply #34
75. self-contradictory
" I will read it (admission you haven't)



but I have noted, this document does not charge fraud. (content-based declarative)"



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Broken Acorn Donating Member (590 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 12:53 PM
Response to Reply #28
36. 28 references of fraud on my search
Are we reading the same .pdf dude?
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 12:57 PM
Response to Reply #36
39. Yep, that's what I got too
and not a single charge of fraud.
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Darknyte7 Donating Member (687 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 12:57 PM
Response to Reply #36
40. No...
Edited on Wed Jan-05-05 01:03 PM by Darknyte7
Because Walt hasn't read it... See post 34 supra

edit: corrected the post number reference
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insane_cratic_gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 12:54 PM
Response to Reply #28
38. Triad and this little number.
Edited on Wed Jan-05-05 12:56 PM by insane_cratic_gal
3. Security of Ballots and Machinery
In addition, Ohio law prohibits election machinery from being serviced, modified, or
altered in any way subsequent to an election, unless it is done so in the presence of the full board
of elections and other observers. Any handling of ballots for a subsequent recount must be done
in the presence of the entire Board and any qualified witnesses.45 Containers in which ballots are
kept may not be opened before all of the required participants in are attendance.46 The Ohio
Revised Code defines a ballot as “the official election presentation of offices and candidates . . .
and the means by which votes are recorded.”47 Therefore, for purposes of Ohio law, electronic
records stored in the Board of Election computers are to be considered “ballots.”

Tell me how many violations were commited in Hockings the day the Triad Rep went into a room alone to service a computer.?? It wasn't listed for suspect reasons. It was listed in his report of factual violations.

Not to mention the door being unlocked in one precinct in Warren county.
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deacon2 Donating Member (396 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 03:51 PM
Response to Reply #28
73. Willful ignorance, Walt
"A reference to suspected fraud is NOT a charge of fraud."

The entire document is a charge of fraud to such a degree that:

page 98:

"We believe there are ample grounds for challenging the electors from Ohio as being unlawfully appointed {... } there are numerous irrefutable instances where Ohio election law has been violated by the Secretary of State and others such that the election cannot be said to comply with Ohio law, and the electors cannot be considered lawfully certified under state law within the meaning of 3 U.S.C. Sec. 15."

But you're right, of course, they didn't say "fraud." They have merely catalogued the massive and eggregrious violations of election law over the course of 102 pages that has led them to contest the legitimacy of the electors.

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jmatthan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 12:58 PM
Response to Reply #18
43. If you have time to read the document

you will find it covers all instances that would amount to fraud.

The work of the Committee was to gather the evidence and present it and considering that they are still getting 4000 inputs per day, this is a truly fantastic report.

The report shows that Blackwell has broken the law, which itself is enough to nullify the vote.

I hope the major Liberal Talk Show hosts Mike Malloy, Randi Rhodes, Mike Webb, Bernie Ward, Ray Taliaferro, will energise their base before the Senate occasion tomorrow.

I hear Bernie is going to be on Fox tomorrow. Hope it is before the Conyers move in the Senate and he raises it.

Jacob Matthan
OULU, FINLAND
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 01:08 PM
Response to Reply #18
45. Fraud cannot be proven until IT IS INVESTIGATED
Gosh, you are a hard head aren't you!
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UltraDem Donating Member (64 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 04:41 PM
Response to Reply #45
85. Dear Lord...
Would you all quit picking on this guy? He's just raising some valid questions. This thread is so brutal.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 05:27 PM
Response to Reply #85
87. No one is picking on WS -
will you stop making judgments of others. He posted the questions and responses have been made to his questions and his statements.

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UltraDem Donating Member (64 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 05:31 PM
Response to Reply #87
88. Calling someone "hard-headed"
and accusing him of "starting shit" isn't picking on him? Talk about "making judgment of others"...

My bad. Forgive me.
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k8conant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 02:05 PM
Response to Reply #18
57. Of course, according to the law, it does NOT matter...
:kick:
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StephanieMarie Donating Member (642 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 12:29 PM
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19. Just sent this link to my senator, Chambliss!
Told him to read it then tell me that Ohio was fair!
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 12:38 PM
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23. What about 'Choicepoint" & purging of Fla voter roles -again.
Purging 60,000 legitimate law abiding voters.
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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 12:50 PM
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33. Well...
I'm convinced. If anyone is able to deny that there was election fraud in Ohio, I've a bridge to sell them. There is no doubt in my mind that the election was stolen in Ohio and other key battleground states. Additionally, I firmly believe that the national popular vote was padded in firm read states -- like Oklahoma that had NOT a single blue county -- and strongly blue states like New York... If our Senators stand by and do nothing, then I would suggest we all begin lobbying for the impeachment of the slug and his administration. We must not cease in our efforts to maintain our way of life and our way of government in face of the cancer on our democracy. Democrats and Republicans alike should have some serious doubts about the validity of this past election after reading said report.
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Kevin Spidel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 01:03 PM
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44. Truthout Posts a Great Summary of this report!
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Verve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 01:56 PM
Response to Reply #44
56. Yeah! Cliff notes!
I'll try to read the full report tonight with more time.
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Kota Donating Member (658 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 01:09 PM
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46. This is alot of info.
Thanks for the links.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 01:16 PM
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48. Outstanding! Conyers 2005 Man of the Year!
Note: I sent a DU thread to Perry Apelbaum, Judiciary Committee aide with a thak you. It shows the California theatre marqee saluting Rep Conyers and now appears on page 11 of the report!

thank you to all those who endlessly pursed this fraud issue. We all should be proud!
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roenyc Donating Member (824 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 01:27 PM
Response to Reply #48
50. i just cant understand how others cant see this
its so damn obvious. especially other democrats! and al frankin is on now. not a damn word! he should be drummed off air America! guess he is preparing for his senate run.

Randi will be all over this i am sure. love that woman.
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jmatthan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 03:03 PM
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62. Forget Al Franken

All he is waiting for is to attend the inauguration!!

Jacob Matthan
Oulu, Finland
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BreakForNews Donating Member (241 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 01:40 PM
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51. A handy graphic...
Here's a graphic to use as a come-on
-to encourage the average netsurfer
to download and read the full report.


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Jo March Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 04:41 PM
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84. Bookmarking for later
I'll be sure to post it on my site.

I am blown away by this.
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thoughtanarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 01:50 PM
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52. Oh Yeah...
Blackwell and the Rapp crime family are goin' down for this.

:bounce:
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bmoney07 Donating Member (304 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 01:52 PM
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54. I printed it out at work and will enjoy it over a beer or 2
while at home this evening, and on thursday will have my popcorn ready.

Pray people pray.

:)
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Mistwell Donating Member (553 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 02:51 PM
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59. 27 Fraud references and NOT ONE REAL ALLEGATION OF FRAUD
Here is a breakdown of every single reference to the word "fraud" in the report.

1. Used in a Title
2. No allegation just "Potential Fraud"
3. Ukraine Ref
4. Ukraine Ref
5. Statute Ref
6. Statute Ref
7. Statute Ref
8. Statute Ref
9. Statute Ref
10. No allegation just "Perhaps borders on fraud"
11. Court Case Ref
12. Statute Ref
13. Statute Ref
14. Statute Ref
15. Title of an article Ref
16. Statute Ref
17. Statute Ref
18. Ref to Washington State fraud allegation by Republicans
19. Ref to Washington State fraud allegation by Republicans
20. Used in a Title
21. Reference to 1994 Mexico election
22. General statement: "Either there was unintentional error…willful manipulation…or other forms of fraud, manipulation or irregularities"
23. Court Case Ref
24. Statute Ref
25. Statute Ref
26. Statute Ref
27. Statute Ref

Man, that is WAY weaker than I expected. Using language like "potential fruad" and "perhaps borders on fraud" and "Either uninitentional error of irregularities or other forms of frqaud" is the BEST in the document.

I thought this was going to be the smoking gun...the secret evidence Conyers had all along. All it seems to be is a watered down rehash of irregularities! I expected more.
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 04:10 PM
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76. more cannot be revealed until an actual investigation takes place
This document may well provide a basis upon which to begin such an investigation. I'll have to read it to more definitively state an opinion in any case. I'm reading this thread first.
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UltraDem Donating Member (64 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 04:36 PM
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81. Thank you so much.
I just wanted to thank you before you start getting attacked like Walt did above. Cooler heads prevail. It's nice to have a sober perspective on something that could *potentially* be damning to this administration.

Thanks, Mistwell.
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go west young man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 02:34 AM
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97. The fraud issue is not that important....
the letter is framed to point out over and over again that the Ohio Secretary of State is in violation of the Constitution of the United States. Conyers makes the case against Blackwell not conducting investigations and operating in a biased manner thereby not conducting a fair election. He seeks to have the electoral votes thrown out for that reason more than any other. And rightly so.
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jmatthan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 03:00 PM
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60. I have blogged my views
Edited on Wed Jan-05-05 03:02 PM by jmatthan
and have referenced Will's excellent summary.

http://jmatthan.blogspot.com

Two important questions:

Did the Ukrainians have such a report before they took to the streets?
Did the US Senators read the Patriot Act I before accepting it?

This document from Conyers is a scorcher and points to the conclusion that the US is a fascist state rather than a Democracy.

I think those who think that the word "Fraud" has to be used by Conyers do not understand what Conyers is saying about the election!!

It is worse than fraud.

Read the first and last paras of the Recommendations Part A and you will get the gist!!

Jacob Matthan
Oulu, Finland
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euler Donating Member (515 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 03:08 PM
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63. They say a lot about exit poll problems, but not anything...
...about Mitofsky warning that this exit poll was not designed to prove or disprove fraud. After all, he's the acknowledged expert. It's naive to think the other side won't bring it up, if it goes that far.
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jmatthan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 03:11 PM
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64. But of course you accept the Exit Polls in the Ukraine
eom
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sepia_steel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 03:19 PM
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69. HOLY COW!
thank you. diving in.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 03:27 PM
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72. TruthOut: link to Executive Summary " illegal behavior...Blackwell"
Edited on Wed Jan-05-05 03:30 PM by L. Coyote
snip

"We have found numerous, serious election irregularities in the Ohio presidential election, which resulted in a significant disenfranchisement of voters. Cumulatively, these irregularities, which affected hundreds of thousand of votes and voters in Ohio, raise grave doubts regarding whether it can be said the Ohio electors selected on December 13, 2004, were chosen in a manner that conforms to Ohio law, let alone federal requirements and constitutional standards."

" With regards to our factual finding, in brief, we find that there were massive and unprecedented voter irregularities and anomalies in Ohio. In many cases these irregularities were caused by intentional misconduct and illegal behavior, much of it involving Secretary of State J. Kenneth Blackwell, the co-chair of the Bush-Cheney campaign in Ohio."

http://www.truthout.org/docs_05/010605Y.shtml
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 04:00 PM
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74. Rock on
What are the chances that the Media touches this?

Have you called a Senator today?

Kerry Won get over it

:kick:

http://www.thousandreasons.org/opinion/010505.html
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 04:24 PM
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78. Send This to Keith Olbermann
We need publicity. Be nice and tell him how great a job he's doing
because like it or not, he's the ONLY one reporting on what's going
on in OH:

KeithOlbermann@MSNBC.com
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corky44 Donating Member (177 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 04:21 PM
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77. Check out pages 81-83
If that doesn't curl your hair you are dead....
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Smirking_Chimp Donating Member (213 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 04:30 PM
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79. Thanks, Great site too! n/t
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jmatthan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 04:38 PM
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82. Rep. Conyers told Randi that he has a Senator!!

He also said that Washington Dc telephone switchboards have lit up!!

Randi wants you all to send TELEGRAMS so that they can be shown on TV as physical evidence!!

Randi also said she has presently 8 million listeners and is asking them to act.

AND NOW SHE IS ADDRESSING THE SENATORS after having trashed KERRY!!!!

Jacob Matthan
Oulu, Finland
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Jo March Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 04:39 PM
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83. I have been following this since the beginning but I am shocked
This contains stuff that I didn't know and I thought that I was well-versed.

Conyers is simply amazing. This work will go down in history. Amazing that we have this man on our side. And I love the picture of MLK and of Jesse getting the standing 'o'!!!!!!!!!!!
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kdunagin Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 05:42 PM
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89. Californians can do something about it
On January 6, 2005, Congress will certify the November 2, 2004 election Electoral College vote count, unless at least one Representative and one Senator contests the election. Several Representatives stand ready to do this. Only one senator is needed now.

The good news from last night's rally in San Francisco is that SENATOR BARBARA BOXER is reportedly ready to stand up in the Senate on Thursday (tomorrow) and contest the election, provided she has the numbers to back her: THIS MEANS YOU! If you are a California voter, please contact her. She needs our encouragement to do this. Just call to add your name to the list of names they already have.

Barbara Boxer's Offices:

Sacramento
501 I Street, Suite 7-600
Sacramento, CA 95814
(916) 448-2787
(916) 448-2563 fax

San Francisco
1700 Montgomery Street, Suite 240
San Francisco, CA 94111
(415) 403-0100
(415) 956-6701 fax

Los Angeles
312 N. Spring Street, Suite 1748
Los Angeles, CA 90012
(213) 894-5000
(213) 894-5042 fax

Fresno
1130 O Street, Suite 2450
Fresno, CA 93721
(559) 497-5109
(559) 497-5111 fax

San Diego
600 B Street, Suite 2240
San Diego, CA 92101
(619) 239-3884
(619) 239-5719 fax

Inland Empire
201 North E Street, Suite 210
San Bernardino, CA 92401
(909) 888-8525
(909) 888-8613 fax

Washington D.C.
112 Hart Senate Office Building
Washington, D.C. 20510
(202) 224-3553

What you can say:
"My name is ________ and I am a voter in __(city)__. Please add my name to the list of supporters asking for our Senator Boxer to stand with Rep. John Conyers and others in the House to oppose the certification of the electors on Thursday, Jan. 6 because of the evidence of voting irregularities in Ohio, Florida and New Mexico. Congress can then ask for thorough and open review of the election in every state where there is evidence of voter disenfranchisement.
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Jo March Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 08:03 PM
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92. I'm from NC but I called her office!
:) Can't hurt, can it? ;)
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shiina Donating Member (294 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 06:31 PM
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90. reading...kick
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lady lib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 07:03 PM
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91. Kerry sent an email today...what do you think about this?
Here's most of it. I hope it's not too long of a post.

No American citizen should wake up the morning after the election and worry their vote wasn't counted. No citizen should be denied at the polls if they are eligible to vote. And, as the greatest, wealthiest nation on earth, our citizens should never be forced to vote on old, unaccountable and non transparent voting machines from companies controlled by partisan activists.

Tomorrow, members of Congress will meet to certify the results of the 2004 presidential election. I will not be taking part in a formal protest of the Ohio Electors.

Despite widespread reports of irregularities, questionable practices by some election officials and instances of lawful voters being denied the right to vote, our legal teams on the ground have found no evidence that would change the outcome of the election.

But, that does not mean we should abandon our commitment to addressing those problems that happened in Ohio. We must act today to make sure they never happen again.

I urge you to join me in using this occasion to highlight our demand that Congress commit itself this year to reforming the electoral system. A Presidential election is a national federal election but we have different standards in different states for casting and counting votes. We need a national federal standard to solve the problems that occurred in the 2004 election. I will propose legislation to help achieve this.

Florida 2000 was a wake up call. But the Republicans who control Congress ignored it. Will they now ignore what happened in 2004?

There are nearly 3,000,000 of you receiving this email. We accomplished so much together during the campaign. Now let's use our power to make sure that at least one good thing comes from the voting rights problems of the 2004 election. If we want to force real action on election reform, we've got to demand that congressional leaders hold full hearings. Make sure they hear from you and help hold them accountable.

Speaker Dennis Hastert: 1-202-225-0600
Leader Bill Frist: 1-202-224-3135

And please report that you've made your call right here:
http://www.johnkerry.com/signup/electoral_reform.php

I want every vote counted because Americans have to know that the votes they stood in line for, fought for, and strived so hard to cast in an election, are counted. We must make sure there are no questions or doubts in future elections. It's critical to our democracy that we investigate and act to prevent voting irregularities and voter intimidation across the country. We can't stand still as Congressional leaders seek to sweep well-founded voter concerns under the rug.

Please join with me in calling Speaker Hastert and Leader Frist and telling them that you want action on election reform now.

A recent report from Representative John Conyers (D-Michigan) reveals very troubling questions that have not yet been answered by Ohio election officials. I commend the Democratic National Committee for its announcement this week that the DNC will be investing resources and reaching out to non-partisan academics in a long term study of Ohio voting irregularities. I am only sorry that we haven't seen the same from Ohio Secretary of State Blackwell and GOP officials.

Congress must play a positive, proactive role on this issue. That's why I will soon introduce legislation to reform our election system, ensuring transparency and accountability in our voting system and that all Americans have an opportunity to vote and have their vote counted.

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AlwaysDemocrat Donating Member (326 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 08:54 PM
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93. A very powerful document (n/t)
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sunnystarr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 09:38 PM
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94. After finishing this I want to know why Blackwell hasn't been arrested! nt
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livvy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 10:00 PM
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95. Wow! This is quite a document.
It took a while to read, but it was well worth it. When you read everything in one place like that, it certainly has a great deal of impact. Definitely draws the line on Blackwell. He certainly deserves whatever he gets from this.
Very well done report. I'm glad this will stand as a piece of history. I'm going to have to send a thank you to Conyers and the others who signed the report.
I wish there was a way to force every citizen to read it.
Thanks for posting the link.
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Misskittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 11:36 PM
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96. I just read it all -- amazing. Lots of folks in Ohio should now be
looking for a good criminal lawyer.

And it does contain lots of allegations of fraud - "intentional manipulation" is election fraud.
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