Hitler, the Left, fundamental principles, and Jan. 6

[Peace Patriot]

Much as I have feared a Germany 1933 situation (fracturing of the Center/Left), I have to say that I think the Left should shun Democratic leaders who fail to contest this fraudulent and invalid election, and should refuse them any further support, and target them for replacement. If the progressive forces had done the same in Germany--if they had stuck to FUNDAMENTAL PRINCIPLES, like those at issue here-- the right of black citizens to vote, and election transparency (as opposed to BushCons running the tabulation of all our votes with secret, proprietary source code), Hitler would have had less pliable ground in which to OVERTURN German democracy.

The votes of progressive or centrist Democrats in Congress on other issues won't matter--and don't matter much now--because our political system is so far out of balance, so skewed by election "irregularites," and by BushCon lack of interest in democracy, that it could be described as a dead political system. Can it be revived?

The Democratic Party wrote and passed the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965. It is the ONLY party, of the two major parties, that supports the rights of all Americans. It CANNOT abandon those principles. Black citizens, led by John Conyers, have themselves chosen the ground on which to fight this fight all over again. We must therefore stand on the ground THEY have chosen--as we stood with Martin Luther King in Selma--and contest this election as invalid, due to egregious violations of the Voting Rights Act and almost total non-transparency.

If Democratic leaders do not stand with them on this, our democracy is over.

Democratic leaders have been responsible, in part, for the continued erosion of the Voting Rights Act, at the least back to the 2000 election--by their lack of serious protest and challenge--and were further responsible, recently, for letting Bush "Pioneers" get control of our election system without providing serious and loud protest to alert voters to this most serious problem (secret source code, no paper trail).

They must therefore be responsible for correcting the situation NOW, starting with this challenge on Jan. 6.

2004 was far worse than 2000 in every way. We now have Republican election officials in at least TWO big states (not just the President's brother's state) openly and egregiously denying black citizens the right to vote. And we have far, far less transparency than we did in 2000--indeed, we've had an outright BushCon takeover of the election system.

Most of us were fooled on Election Day by the TV networks alteration of the Exit Polls (which were showing a Kerry win all day). Late in the day, the networks began "adjusting" the Exit Polls to make them fit the Republican controlled "official results," making it appear that Bush won both the Exit Polls and the "official results." Ukrainians, on the other hand, had the two separate, conflicting figures--Exit Polls vs. "official results"--and could plainly see that something was very wrong. That's how it's done in other democracies around the world.

Not so here. Americans were misinformed, and fooled.

Some of us got onto this sooner than others. (Some, indeed, quite expected it.) So, despite the non-transparency of the election system (and the disinformation on TV), we now have evidence that the result was wrong. We don't have absolute PROOF because the election was so opaque! How can anyone know for sure?

And the combination of severe vote suppression against black and other Democratic voters in Ohio, Florida, and elsewhere, with the available evidence of a wrong outcome (and it is a mountain of evidence involving many kinds of election data), INVALIDATES this election.

What should be happening here is a re-vote, but we have no mechanism for a re-vote. And Congress holds all the power, with the BushCon majority very likely owing their power to election fraud.

Germany, 1934. Read your history! WHEN are the Democrats going to react? WHEN?

They must stand up for the FUNDAMENTALS of our democracy NOW, and gain back the ground that has been lost. Our right to vote. Our right to transparent elections. We are NOT a democracy without them--and the consequences will likely be very dire.

Germany 1935. Germany 1936. WHEN will we learn?

[passy]

1. Was 9/11 the equivalent of the burning of the Reichstag in 1933?

[Peace Patriot]

4. I was going to say, yeah, but they didn't blame it on the Democrats...

...then I remembered them blaming it on Clinton, and smearing Max Cleland (of all people!) with OBL ads, and...

[eowyn_of_rohan]

2. Thanks PP for a powerful statement that must be heard...

I only wish this could be spread farther and wider, and will do my part to see that it is.

[Peace Patriot]

3. Hey, thanks! I was wondering how to do that.

I've got some lists I can spread it to--but haven't thought much wider than that.

[DaDeacon]

5. Truth, speaks truth....

and darkness, speaks...darkness

[Radio_free_america]

6. I search in history for a exemples of tyrany collapse

There is few.
Romania, poland, during the falling of soviet union ?
South Africa ?
French revolution ?

All are long processus, and often bloody. When a Class rob a democracy it's generally last for long.
What to said about far more strong propaganda tools nowaydays ?
How can democrats can retrieve credibily in front of level zero intox like a media like Fox ?

In France I fighted Lepen's Front National (Xenophobic partis like Duke's one), it's very hard.
Fact, rationality, have no weight on a Freeper mind. He is hypnotised, lobotomized.
I think those peoples are afraid by surounding world, they understand nothing, finding an explication, comparing fact, analysing global situation, is far too much tiring for them, so they find tranquility by following simples ideas, simple explanations, simples objectives.

Spanish anarchist during civil war said "The most dangerous fascist are wearing slippers".
How to fight that ? How to force sleeping people to open their eyes and see the reality as harsh and complexe as it is ?

Saddam Hussein or Ben Laden is a so simple and understandable explanation for all misery in the world.
Make a choose, vote, see the complexity of human relationship made of a mixing of good and evil.
They don't want that, they fear that !

It's a stange process, their mind refuse reality by desire of tranquility i think.