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KaryninMiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 01:15 PM
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MoveOn. Pac just came on board officially!!!!!
It's about time and THANK YOU God (and thank you MoveOn! This is great news!



NO More Ohio

Dear MoveOn member,

When Congress reconvenes this Thursday to ratify the 2004 Presidential election, Representative John Conyers (D-Michigan) will object to the vote count in Ohio, and if even one Senator joins him, Congress will have to debate the widespread voting problems that have been exposed. Nobody expects this election to be overturned, but it's time in this country to seriously grapple with the issues of voting rights, un-auditable computerized voting, and the suppression of minority votes.

Call your Democratic Senators today and ask them to join Representative Conyers in challenging the 2004 voting process. With your support, they can step forward and force this important debate.

ETC.
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BR_Parkway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 01:20 PM
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1. So, after 2 months of mainstream Dems (MM, MoveON, etc) not
saying a thing, everyone starts saying it TODAY? And some thought that this wasn't a coordinated effort? C'mon, that's like thinking all the "glitches" went to Shrub randomly. These guys (and Kerry) knew what they were fighting against, and every bit of it's been timed out to the last possible second... A Leader with a Plan, Strategy and the willpower to carry it out? Kerry turns out to be everything the MSM tried to make Shrub out to be.
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itzamirakul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 01:24 PM
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2. While I am glad that they finally stepped up...
Edited on Wed Jan-05-05 01:25 PM by itzamirakul
I really think they are a few days late for everyone to get the word. Some folks on my mailing list need a couple of days to get these things done.

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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 01:30 PM
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3. It's about time
Edited on Wed Jan-05-05 01:31 PM by meganmonkey
:eyes:

I guess once people/orgs realize that joining in on the issue may actually put them on the winning team they finally open their mouths. Gee, that's really gutsy.

Too bad we already did all the legwork, when one or two emails from them to their thousands of fans about a month ago would have blown the issue into the open.

on edit: yes, it helps, better late than never and all that.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 03:18 PM
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12. If they shoot their wad to soon
the whole election fraud issue would have been over and forgotten by Christmas.

By waiting until now, means that we still at least have a small chance to change the course, that BushCo is charting for us and the rest of the world.

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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 01:34 PM
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4. Do you have a link for me to go to. They took me off of their list
After I yelled at them for not covering Ohio, plus! Thank you! :)
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Pithy Cherub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 01:34 PM
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5. Today very happy to have them! Need them!
Not especially happy it took so long...but the nick of time and all that...
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 01:35 PM
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6. Solidarity! Welcome aboard! (Sometimes momentum builds slowly)
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 01:50 PM
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7. Full Text Please!
I seem to have fallen off the MoveOn list, too!

:kick:
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garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 02:07 PM
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8. what was the subject line of the email?
I just got a blank email from them. the subject was "no more Ohios".

Was that it?

I wonder why mine was blank?!?!
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bronco Donating Member (16 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 03:20 PM
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13. text
here's the text of the email:

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Dear MoveOn member,


When Congress reconvenes this Thursday to ratify the 2004 Presidential election, Representative John Conyers (D-Michigan) will object to the vote count in Ohio, and if even one Senator joins him, Congress will have to debate the widespread voting problems that have been exposed. Nobody expects this election to be overturned, but it's time in this country to seriously grapple with the issues of voting rights, un-auditable computerized voting, and the suppression of minority votes.


Call your Democratic Senators today and ask them to join Representative Conyers in challenging the 2004 voting process. With your support, they can step forward and force this important debate. Just call:
  Senator Dianne Feinstein: 202-224-3841
  Senator Barbara Boxer: 202-224-3553

Please let us know you've made these calls at:

http://www.moveon.org/callmade14.html


In November's election, Americans in inner cities were prevented from voting by eight-hour lines. Local officials changed the rules on which votes were counted. Technicians were allowed to tamper with balloting machines unsupervised. We've attached an editorial by Rev. Jesse Jackson with more details below.


The winners of these tainted elections assert that their outcomes didn't depend on the fraud. But even in sports, referees call penalties and enforce the rules, whether or not the game is at stake. Nowhere in the Constitution does it describe some acceptable level of denying Americans their votes. When Congress meets this Thursday, January 6, we'll have a good opportunity to make it clear that Americans want every vote counted, period.


A sound democracy depends on elections that everyone, winners and losers, can agree were held fairly and honestly. America doesn't have that now, and it's got to change.


Thanks for everything you do,


--The MoveOn PAC Team
  January 5th, 2004
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dooner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 04:01 PM
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17. Mine too (Is Yahoo a blue co?)
Do you use Yahoo email?

(To read the msg. I knew must exist, I hit reply.. then I *could* see the full text.

Something is screwy and I don't have time to figure out how to tell Moveon. (webmaster@moveon.org bounced back).

Now I'm wondering if this is a Yahoo-related issue.
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JunkYardDogg Donating Member (618 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 03:09 PM
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9. I have not received this E-Mail from Move- On yet
They have turned into a real disappointment
Move-On has the largest data bank of contacts of people who have shown the potential to organize and forma nationwide dissident
activist group, yet thet have done nothing to further this type of activity. I sent them E-mails before their early Dec Nationwide
Electronic conference, this was a highly rated subject by the participants, yet they do nothing. This is something which all of us could do ourselves if only we had the contact data.
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Beth in VT Donating Member (224 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 03:13 PM
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10. wouldn't you know it - I unsubscribed last week! n/t
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buddysmellgood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 03:14 PM
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11. I did not get this email yet.
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 03:23 PM
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14. I must be getting everyone else's. I got four copies earlier today.
FULL TEXT:


When Congress reconvenes this Thursday to ratify the 2004 Presidential election, Representative John Conyers (D-Michigan) will object to the vote count in Ohio, and if even one Senator joins him, Congress will have to debate the widespread voting problems that have been exposed. Nobody expects this election to be overturned, but it's time in this country to seriously grapple with the issues of voting rights, un-auditable computerized voting, and the suppression of minority votes.

Call your Democratic Senators today and ask them to join Representative Conyers in challenging the 2004 voting process. With your support, they can step forward and force this important debate. Just call:

Senator Bill Nelson: 202-224-5274

Please let us know you've made these calls at:
http://www.moveon.org/callmade14.html

In November's election, Americans in inner cities were prevented from voting by eight-hour lines. Local officials changed the rules on which votes were counted. Technicians were allowed to tamper with balloting machines unsupervised. We've attached an editorial by Rev. Jesse Jackson with more details below.

The winners of these tainted elections assert that their outcomes didn't depend on the fraud. But even in sports, referees call penalties and enforce the rules, whether or not the game is at stake. Nowhere in the Constitution does it describe some acceptable level of denying Americans their votes. When Congress meets this Thursday, January 6, we'll have a good opportunity to make it clear that Americans want every vote counted, period.

A sound democracy depends on elections that everyone, winners and losers, can agree were held fairly and honestly. America doesn't have that now, and it's got to change.

Thanks for everything you do,

--The MoveOn PAC Team
January 5th, 2004

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KaryninMiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 03:28 PM
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15. Full Text of the MoveOn Pac Email (as requested)
FYI- first I received a blank email as did many of you. Then this one arrived a few minutes later. But, when I went on their site to look up the page was to forward the link over to here- I could not find this page or this action anywhere. Very strange indeed. Anyway, here is the full text (there's a side box:

It's time for Congress to grapple with the issues of voting rights, un-auditable computerized voting, and the suppression of minority votes. Call your Democratic Senators today and ask them to join Rep. Conyers in challenging the 2004 voting process.

Let us know you called. (link did not transfer)

Dear MoveOn member,

When Congress reconvenes this Thursday to ratify the 2004 Presidential election, Representative John Conyers (D-Michigan) will object to the vote count in Ohio, and if even one Senator joins him, Congress will have to debate the widespread voting problems that have been exposed. Nobody expects this election to be overturned, but it's time in this country to seriously grapple with the issues of voting rights, un-auditable computerized voting, and the suppression of minority votes.

Call your Democratic Senators today and ask them to join Representative Conyers in challenging the 2004 voting process. With your support, they can step forward and force this important debate. Just call:

Senator Bill Nelson: 202-224-5274

Please let us know you've made these calls at:
http://www.moveonpac.org/callmade14.html

In November's election, Americans in inner cities were prevented from voting by eight-hour lines. Local officials changed the rules on which votes were counted. Technicians were allowed to tamper with balloting machines unsupervised. We've attached an editorial by Rev. Jesse Jackson with more details below.

The winners of these tainted elections assert that their outcomes didn't depend on the fraud. But even in sports, referees call penalties and enforce the rules, whether or not the game is at stake. Nowhere in the Constitution does it describe some acceptable level of denying Americans their votes. When Congress meets this Thursday, January 6, we'll have a good opportunity to make it clear that Americans want every vote counted, period.

A sound democracy depends on elections that everyone, winners and losers, can agree were held fairly and honestly. America doesn't have that now, and it's got to change.

Thanks for everything you do,

--The MoveOn PAC Team
January 5th, 2004
____________

Senators should object to Ohio vote
January 4, 2005
BY REV. JESSE JACKSON

http://www.suntimes.com/output/jesse/cst-edt-jesse04.html

This Thursday in Washington Rep. John Conyers (D-Mich.), the senior minority member of the House Judiciary Committee, will formally object to the counting of the Ohio electoral vote in the 2004 presidential election. If any senator joins him, the counting of the vote is suspended and the House and the Senate must convene separately to hear the objections filed, and to vote on whether to accept them.

The grounds for the objections are clear: The irregularities in the Ohio vote and vote count are widespread and blatant. If the Ohio election were held in the Ukraine, it would not have been certified by the international community.

In Ohio, the gulf between exit polls and counted votes is vast and glaring. Blatant discrimination in the distribution of voting machines ensured long lines in inner-city and working-class precincts that favored John Kerry, while the exurban districts that favored President Bush had no similar problems.

Systematic efforts were made to suppress and challenge the new voters in Kerry precincts, whether students or African Americans. Some precincts were certified with more votes than the number registered; others were certified with preposterously low turnouts. Voting machines, produced by a company headed by a vowed Bush supporter, provide no paper record. Ohio's secretary of state, the inappropriately partisan head of the state's Bush campaign, has resisted any systematic recount of the ballots.

The systematic bias and potential for fraud is unmistakable. An in-depth investigation is vital -- and the partisan secretary of state has opposed it every step of the way. In this context, Conyers and his colleagues in the House are serving the nation's best interests in demanding an investigation of the irregularities in Ohio, and objecting to business as usual in counting the vote.

If Harry Reid, the new leader of the Democratic minority in the Senate, has any sense, he will lead members of the caucus to support their colleagues from the House and demand a debate that will expose the irregularities in Ohio. If Kerry wants to establish his continued leadership, he will stand first to join with Conyers and demand a debate.

Will the debate overturn the outcome of the election? That is doubtful, although the irregularities in Ohio suggest that Kerry may well have won if a true count could be had. But the debate is vital anyway. This country's elections, each run with different standards by different states, with partisan tricks, racial bias, and too often widespread incompetence, are an open scandal.

We need national standards to ensure that we get an honest count across the country. National standards, accompanied by a constitutional amendment to guarantee the right to vote for all Americans, will be passed only if leaders in the Congress refuse to close their eyes to the scandal, and instead stop business as usual.

Conyers, Reid and Kerry will face harsh criticism for violating what might be called the Nixon precedent. When Kennedy beat Nixon by a few thousand votes in an election marked by irregularities in Illinois and Texas, Nixon chose not to challenge the result. Gore essentially followed that rule after the gang of five in the Supreme Court disgraced themselves by stopping the vote count in Florida. But the effect of the Nixon precedent is to provide those who would cheat with essentially a free pass. Particularly when the state officials are partisans, they can put in the fix with little fear of exposure so long as they win.

So Conyers will step up, accompanied by other courageous members of the House. They will object to the count and demand a debate. To force that debate, they need only one member of the Senate to join them. Reid should lead the entire caucus to join them. Kerry should stand alone if necessary to demand clean elections in America.

If America is to be a champion of democracy abroad, it must clean up its elections at home. If it is to complain of fraudulent and dishonest election practices abroad, it cannot condone them at home. But more important, if our own elections are to be legitimate, then they must be honest, open, with high national standards.

The time has come to stand up for clean elections, and to let it be known that massive irregularities will not go unchallenged.
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Blue State Blues Donating Member (575 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 03:56 PM
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16. Kick - Just got this email
They must be sending out in batches. Glad I searched so I didn't dupe post.
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 04:01 PM
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18. IT'S NOT JUST OHIO, DAMNIT!!
We don't need to just get OHIO cleaned up, and this is sending a message that Ohio was the only one with significant problems.

IT'S NOT JUST OHIO!!



Florida, New Mexico, Kansas, Texas, North Carolina, Colorado, etc. etc. etc.

They are ALL questionable at this point.

MoveOn is getting to be like a large corporation.... too slow to "get it" and jump on things in time.

:kick::kick::kick::kick:
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