mzmolly
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Wed Jan-05-05 01:27 PM
Original message |
MSNBC just reported that Barbara Boxer is likely to challenge! |
|
Edited on Wed Jan-05-05 01:28 PM by mzmolly
:toast:
Contact her and support her in her decision to do so:
Senator Boxer's Offices:
Sacramento 501 I Street, Suite 7-600 Sacramento, CA 95814 (916) 448-2787 (916) 448-2563 fax
San Francisco 1700 Montgomery Street, Suite 240 San Francisco, CA 94111 (415) 403-0100 (415) 956-6701 fax
Los Angeles 312 N. Spring Street, Suite 1748 Los Angeles, CA 90012 (213) 894-5000 (213) 894-5042 fax
Fresno 1130 O Street, Suite 2450 Fresno, CA 93721 (559) 497-5109 (559) 497-5111 fax
San Diego 600 B Street, Suite 2240 San Diego, CA 92101 (619) 239-3884 (619) 239-5719 fax
Inland Empire 201 North E Street, Suite 210 San Bernardino, CA 92401 (909) 888-8525 (909) 888-8613 fax
I didn't get an answer at:
Washington D.C. 112 Hart Senate Office Building Washington, D.C. 20510 (202) 224-3553
|
Nicholas D Wolfwood
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Wed Jan-05-05 01:27 PM
Response to Original message |
1. Are you serious?!? Link?!??! |
cyberpj
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Wed Jan-05-05 01:31 PM
Response to Reply #1 |
11. no link - this was msnbc on television - but |
|
check the msnbc news pages to see if they follow through and post something there...
|
roenyc
(824 posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Wed Jan-05-05 01:27 PM
Response to Original message |
2. they said the word election? |
mzmolly
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Wed Jan-05-05 01:28 PM
Response to Reply #2 |
|
Challenge with the House members and force a debate.
|
SueZhope
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Wed Jan-05-05 01:29 PM
Response to Reply #3 |
cyberpj
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Wed Jan-05-05 01:58 PM
Response to Reply #8 |
cyberpj
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Wed Jan-05-05 01:28 PM
Response to Original message |
4. And also that it will change nothing - Bush w/be elected. |
|
Perhaps they have to say that. But he implied that it will just be a chance to be heard -- and it means nothing.
|
mzmolly
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Wed Jan-05-05 01:29 PM
Response to Reply #4 |
9. He said that Bush will be elected, but that it would force a debate |
|
and a debate is necessary. It's one way we can prevent some of these issues from rotting our electoral system for years to come.
|
cyberpj
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Wed Jan-05-05 01:54 PM
Response to Reply #9 |
|
I just wanted them to take it a bit more seriously when they finally HAD to announce it would be challenged. You know, like --'gee --wonder what sort of things we don't know about yet.....'
I know, way too much to ask of this corporate media.
|
McCamy Taylor
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Wed Jan-05-05 01:28 PM
Response to Original message |
5. They are reporting it as a done deal. |
jsascj
(425 posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Wed Jan-05-05 02:48 PM
Response to Reply #5 |
58. Those little smilies are sooooo cute! n/t |
wtmusic
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Wed Jan-05-05 01:28 PM
Original message |
|
I love her.
Can we transfer some stem cells from her spine to Harry Reid's?
|
garybeck
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Wed Jan-05-05 01:28 PM
Response to Original message |
6. i just got a friggin chill up my spine n/t |
fooj
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Wed Jan-05-05 02:37 PM
Response to Reply #6 |
|
maybe we have made a difference!! OMG!!!
WHAT ARE THEY HIDING???:think: :think: :think:
|
Deb
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Wed Jan-05-05 01:29 PM
Response to Original message |
7. Woo Hoo! I heard it too! |
|
She's "leaning heavily". :bounce:
|
SueZhope
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Wed Jan-05-05 01:31 PM
Response to Reply #7 |
12. they used those words? |
|
:loveya: :loveya::bounce: :bounce:
|
crispini
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Wed Jan-05-05 01:30 PM
Response to Original message |
|
I went down to my car to listen to the MSNBC audio feed on my XM!
They said that Stephanie Tubbs-Jones was in and Boxer was "leaning heavily."
I was sitting in the parking lot screaming and pounding the steering wheel! Woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
|
bones_7672
(558 posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Wed Jan-05-05 01:31 PM
Response to Original message |
13. New Republic Online (rightwing) says the same, PLUS |
|
they say after the 2 hour debate there will be a voice vote to deny the challenge.
|
mzmolly
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Wed Jan-05-05 01:33 PM
Response to Reply #13 |
|
:wow:
One can hope ... for one more day.
|
YDogg
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Wed Jan-05-05 01:32 PM
Response to Original message |
14. What is the practical effect ... |
|
... of this?
I'm all for it if it causes debate, inspection, re-counts, aggravation, etc., I just don't know what it actually leads to. Has this happened before?
|
mzmolly
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Wed Jan-05-05 01:34 PM
Response to Reply #14 |
19. It hasn't happened before and that means it will have an impact. |
|
If nothing else, they will take the issue of voting equality seriously.
|
bones_7672
(558 posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Wed Jan-05-05 01:37 PM
Response to Reply #19 |
22. Or will it be spun as "those sour Dems just can't leave the Prez alone"? |
YDogg
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Wed Jan-05-05 01:38 PM
Response to Reply #22 |
25. That's what I figure ... |
|
... the spinners will have people believing.
|
Tom Rinaldo
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Wed Jan-05-05 01:47 PM
Response to Reply #25 |
31. Yes, many will say just that |
|
But this isn't only about the 2004 Election, as critical as that is. It is about taking all of the steps needed to protect the underpinnings of our Democracy, even if the effects come to late to undo this low point in American History.
Since Boxer and hopefully others standing up now will be historic, it can't be completely ignored, and completely ignored is the Republican and media strategy: "A few small glitches but the Election overall went smoothly, and aren't those new touch screen voting machines nifty, and so easy to use..."
Blast that myth right our of the water. Make our elected representatives seriously deal with the lack of voting safe guards. Make the media acknowledge that there IS a real issue here, even if they cling to accepting that Bush won this time.
Boxer would show courage in going up against the scorn that will be coming her way if she stands for us tomorrow. I will never forget her, and any other Democrat (or Republican) who shows that courage.
|
crispini
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Wed Jan-05-05 01:42 PM
Response to Reply #22 |
27. They may spin it that way, but WE'LL know. |
|
Our Democratic leadership fecking well needs to stand up and grow a spine. If they don't do this they'll just piss off their base. I don't care what the MSM say, if someone does this then it will restore my faith in the Democratic party.
|
mzmolly
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Wed Jan-05-05 01:47 PM
Response to Reply #22 |
30. True, but I never fret about what Republicans think about me. |
|
You see, we have different goals.
|
Vinnie From Indy
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Wed Jan-05-05 02:16 PM
Response to Reply #22 |
44. Had they ever stopped? |
|
I am puzzled by so many posters that seem to believe that the overall political situation would change for the worse if the Democrats challenge the highly suspect election results of the November '04 elections. It seems to me that the MSM and the G.O.P. Rove controlled machine has been "spinning" the Democrats to death for the last few years on every issue. How much worse can it get? We have lost power nationally and are in the process of handing the G.O.P. control over the majority of the state governments. If we continue to sit back and wring our hands with worry and not fight THIS battle, we will someday wake to find the radical right wing and the fundies adding amendments to the Constitution at will with nothing to stop them. This fight is about so much more than John Kerry and we need to realize that time is not on our side.
|
YDogg
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Wed Jan-05-05 01:37 PM
Response to Reply #19 |
|
... I just hope this is actually reported on ... not swept aside by the networks and papers.
|
mzmolly
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Wed Jan-05-05 01:48 PM
Response to Reply #23 |
32. I do to, but I think it will be hard to sweep aside a "historical" moment |
Stand and Fight
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Wed Jan-05-05 02:20 PM
Response to Reply #19 |
46. It has happened before. |
mzmolly
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Wed Jan-05-05 02:24 PM
Response to Reply #46 |
49. 35 years ago? I wasn't aware of that. Thanks. |
|
I don't know if MSNBC reported that?
:hi:
|
mzmolly
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Wed Jan-05-05 02:42 PM
Response to Reply #46 |
55. Actually it was in 1877. |
|
At least according to the MSM and many DU-ers whom I trust.
|
Pirate Smile
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Wed Jan-05-05 01:45 PM
Response to Reply #14 |
28. I saw somewhere that both the House and Senate will go to their |
|
chambers and the leadership would confer and decide how to do the debate.
That part sounds like trouble to me.
How "open" do we think the leadership of the Senate and House are going to be about debating these issues?
You know they will do everything they can to try to limit and suppress any airing of all the problems that occurred.
Has anyone else heard much about what would happen if it would get to this point?
|
DaedelusNemo
(336 posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Wed Jan-05-05 04:20 PM
Response to Reply #28 |
64. Hard to imagine a better way to kick off democrat campaign |
|
"The republicans won't even let you hear about what happened in the last election"
|
In Truth We Trust
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Wed Jan-05-05 01:32 PM
Response to Original message |
15. Draft Boxer: The first female President of the United States |
cyberpj
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Wed Jan-05-05 01:59 PM
Response to Reply #15 |
39. I'm with you - all those we thought would be heroes - where are they? |
ntwkgirl
(38 posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Wed Jan-05-05 01:33 PM
Response to Original message |
16. Just called Sac office |
|
They were SO nice! I was dissapointed that I got through on the first try (it should be ringing off the hook)
Come on people...dial!!!!!
|
tridim
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Wed Jan-05-05 01:34 PM
Response to Original message |
18. Anyone know the schedule for tomorrow's fireworks? |
bones_7672
(558 posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Wed Jan-05-05 01:36 PM
Response to Reply #18 |
20. By the Constitution, they meet at 1 pm (Eastern) |
|
If there is a challenge, there will be a two-hour debate, followed by a vote to accept or reject the electors.
|
crispini
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Wed Jan-05-05 01:36 PM
Response to Reply #18 |
cyberpj
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Wed Jan-05-05 02:15 PM
Response to Reply #18 |
43. CNN will broadcast at 1pm BUT - tune in earlier if you want to hear |
|
a bit of the flack on Gonzoles nomination.
|
rdmccur
(622 posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Wed Jan-05-05 01:38 PM
Response to Original message |
Chimpanzee
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Wed Jan-05-05 02:57 PM
Response to Reply #24 |
59. Sorry. I can't seem to find that story. |
Tom Rinaldo
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Wed Jan-05-05 01:40 PM
Response to Original message |
26. I made the call. God bless her if she stands. n/t |
SammyWinstonJack
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Wed Jan-05-05 01:51 PM
Response to Reply #26 |
33. Pity if she stands alone. |
|
:-( ALL Democratic Senators should stand with her!
|
mzmolly
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Wed Jan-05-05 01:54 PM
Response to Reply #33 |
36. Oh goodness here we go. "I'm still leaving the party because only one |
|
Edited on Wed Jan-05-05 01:55 PM by mzmolly
lousy Senator stood up for ..."
Sometimes Senators speak and decide who would be secure in taking a stand like this. I am sure she's getting lots of behind the scenes support, if she does stand.
|
Orsino
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Wed Jan-05-05 02:39 PM
Response to Reply #36 |
53. I'll be severely disappointed... |
|
...if the rest of her party leaves her to stand alone. Once she commits herself, it should become a *lot* easier for the rest to join in.
|
mzmolly
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Wed Jan-05-05 02:40 PM
Response to Reply #53 |
54. I'll add you to the list of perpetually disapointed folks. |
Orsino
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Wed Jan-05-05 02:59 PM
Response to Reply #54 |
62. Is There Some Reason... |
|
Edited on Wed Jan-05-05 03:01 PM by Orsino
...that we should *not* be perpetually disappointed? I'm not yet to the point that I'm completely jaded by all the corruption.
A significant challenge to the so-called election would be a good thing, but the fact of the Unelected Fraud will remain. The fascists will continue their assault on human life, the environment, and democracy. If I get to cheer for a few minutes tomorrow, the state of American politics will still suck.
See y'all at the bar. :toast:
|
mzmolly
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Wed Jan-05-05 03:06 PM
Response to Reply #62 |
63. You are correct, but we have to APPLAUD and CHEER those DEMOCRATS |
|
who are fighting.
I tire of the lack of recognition those who take up the good fight get.
|
fertilizeonarbusto
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Wed Jan-05-05 01:47 PM
Response to Original message |
|
I don't think we'll win, but, damn it, we have to show them we KNOW they stole it. And maybe more than a few people out there will get the clue too. Happy day today!
|
Orsino
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Wed Jan-05-05 01:54 PM
Response to Original message |
34. Just Made the Call... |
|
Edited on Wed Jan-05-05 01:54 PM by Orsino
...and got right through (Sacramento office). I mentioned the rumor, and said that I hoped the Senator would have the courage to take that important step, that many of us are pulling for her. The very nice receptionist said she would "pass that on to her."
|
spooked911
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Wed Jan-05-05 01:55 PM
Response to Original message |
|
:headbang: :loveya: :party:
|
Imagevision
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Wed Jan-05-05 02:00 PM
Response to Original message |
40. Last time a challendge was made was in 1877 |
|
So Jan. 6th could certainly make history!
|
Pithy Cherub
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Wed Jan-05-05 02:04 PM
Response to Original message |
41. Called the LA office for Senator Boxer! |
|
They said they would pass it on! Go Barbara Boxer! :yourock:
|
Califooyah Operative
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Wed Jan-05-05 02:14 PM
Response to Original message |
42. nice...the sacramento numbers's mailbox is full.......nt |
crispini
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Wed Jan-05-05 02:17 PM
Response to Original message |
45. Poster in LBN says they have confirmation. |
cyberpj
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Wed Jan-05-05 02:20 PM
Response to Reply #45 |
47. VERY VERY COOL. Thanks. |
|
Now let's hope she can stand up to the pressure.
Or maybe that this means others will join her now that the first one has said yes.
Going to call friends now and invite them to join me for a CSPAN luncheon so we can all watch together. :toast:
|
Califooyah Operative
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Wed Jan-05-05 02:21 PM
Response to Reply #45 |
48. Yea, a big grain of salt..... |
|
I just called and talked to a lady at the fresno office, she said she hadn't made a decision yet......
keep the calls going
|
bluejaypop
(3 posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Wed Jan-05-05 02:33 PM
Response to Reply #48 |
50. Email Senator Boxer Too |
|
Dear Senator Boxer:
I want to commend you for your upcoming COURAGEOUS action in objecting along with many of your House colleagues to to acceptance of Ohio's slate of electors. History will judge the disenfranchisement of primarily African-American voters very harshly. There was an effective POLL TAX on November 2nd. The pictures and videos of the lines in Ohio confirm this fact. I believe a thorough investigation of voting 'mistabulations' and election officials actions must be begun right now. I know you share the view that vote suppression is totally Un-American.
As a middle-class white guy living in the midwest it makes me feel ashamed and outraged that the Ohio SOS and other election officials would treat people that way when all these people were trying to do was VOTE as is their RIGHT.
Unless someone stands up and holds the actions of this ruthless administration to task I believe democracy as we know it will be lost. This administration does not compromise, period. Please yell loud and long and hold their feet to the fire!
You can be assured that by standing up against this travesty that history will judge you kindly - you must be absolutely confident of that! When you stand up for democracy you will have the undying admiration of millions!
Jim Williams Seward, NE
|
Chimpanzee
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Wed Jan-05-05 02:59 PM
Response to Reply #45 |
61. The page you requested cannot be displayed. |
StephanieMarie
(642 posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Wed Jan-05-05 02:35 PM
Response to Original message |
51. Just called and left my support! n/t |
bluejaypop
(3 posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Wed Jan-05-05 02:44 PM
Response to Reply #51 |
56. Thanks for posting Sen Boxer's Office Numbers |
|
Just called her Sacramento office and said her upcoming objection to Ohio's electors was truly courageous in the face of a hostile/negligent MSM and that she would have the admiration of millions for this action.
|
Moloch
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Wed Jan-05-05 02:48 PM
Response to Original message |
57. I just called Senator Boxer's L.A. office |
|
They said that she has not issued an opinion.
|
mzmolly
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Wed Jan-05-05 02:58 PM
Response to Reply #57 |
60. Yes, and MSNBC says she's considering the measure. |
DU
AdBot (1000+ posts) |
Fri Apr 19th 2024, 10:05 PM
Response to Original message |