**WEIRD FL NUMBERS - BRAND NEW**

[batchdem04]

Look at this excel file:
http://www.geocities.com/flfraud04/flVoting.xls

I got the number directly off the FL elections website:
http://enight.dos.state.fl.us/

First, look at the numbers in red font / yellow background. For example, Palm Beach county. 542,835 votes for president were casted, but only 452,061 voters turned out, a difference of 90,774. Does this mean that there are 90 thousand EXTRA votes?

Secondly, look at the numbers in green font. For example, Escambia county. 142,990 votes for president were casted, but 161,183 voters turned out. So, 18,193 people did not vote for president? Thats a high number. Thats 11%.

Was say you guys?

[Jack_Dawson]

1. What are you implying?

Weird goings-on in Jeb Bush's state?

[berner59]

6. 191,585 more votes than people???

Kerry was only behind 300K, right?? Here's an easy 2/3 right here...wow - good pick up?? Add up all the other wierd ones where all those optic scan ones were way out of whack...

WHY CAN'T THIS STUFF GET TO THE RIGHT PEOPLE??? Aren't Kerry's people doing anything???

[genius]

53. Everyone who can, please save this - before the evid is altered

I'm not getting a screen with all the info you mentioned but clearly some people are and they probably know a lot more about computers than I do. So please every who is seeing these numbers, keep the proof. It probably won't last long.

[jdj]

2. wow.

I'm shocked, SHOCKED I tell you.

[tridim]

3. Forget all the other numbers, just take Miami Dade..

It's proof that the election was a fraud. If this evidence isn't grounds for legal action, why? Where the hell are our lawyers?

[bushisanidiot]

5. In Bush's america it's "Where IS are lawyers"

praise jesus!

[polmaven]

16. Isn't it

"Where is air lawyers?

[jmowreader]

39. Palm Beach County is worse

They had a lot fewer voters in Palm Beach County than in Miami-Dade, and the number of voterless presidential votes is higher.

I get 161,690 as the difference, and I assume they ALL went to Bush.

[FlaGranny]

4. The last time I checked I could no longer find

that 542835 figure. I posted that yesterday. When I went back to look I can't find it. But they are still showing seven precincts not reported.

[batchdem04]

8. where are you seeing the seven precincts not reported?

on the website it says:
Palm Beach 100.0%

[FlaGranny]

12. If you go to the Palm Beach County website

it says 98.99% and reports 688 of 695 precincts reporting, but it gives the same amount of votes for president as the state site.

http://www.pbcelections.org/ElectionResults/2004/General/Gen04_dtl.htm

[alexisfree]

54. thank you...

for the link..

[bushisanidiot]

7. I'm pretty sure I saw a number like that from 2000 counted as "spoiled"

ballots. i always thought there was an obscene amount of "spoiled" ballots from 2000. just another way that guaranteed AWoL florida's electoral votes.

[batchdem04]

9. spoiled ballots can account for the negative numbers...

but what about the EXTRA votes?

[batchdem04]

15. still the same numbers...ie, more VOTES than VOTERS

[bushisanidiot]

18. Could also be absentee voters went to vote at the polls too.

i imagine there HAS to be a comparison of the lists of voters who showed up to vote and the "absentee" voters to make sure some of them arent the same people.

[shraby]

33. They still have to be registered there. n/t

[meow2u3]

29. The only logical conclusion

Republicans stuffed the ballot box (black box or otherwise) for Bush.

[AzDar]

10. KICK n/t

[blurp]

11. People abstained? It's possible.

[blurp]

13. Elections in FL basically run by the counties

So the question is: what is the party of the people running the elections in these counties?

[glitch]

14. That doesn't matter either - remember that MOLE LePore? Dem.

then Indie, now Repuke. Just happened to work for Khashoggi in the 80s, as a flight attendant.

[nolabels]

31. Wow, that is interesting about LePore

I love this place, so many interesting things you find out

[City Lights]

17. Where are you seeing the total turnout number in Palm Beach?

I see it in the Excel file, but where did it come from? I can't see it on the other link. I'm only seeing the totals for each candiate. When I use their links to access records for Palm Beach county, I get as far as the screen where I can click on "election results." When I click on that I get a page not found error.

changed a word on edit.

[batchdem04]

19. try this site

http://enight.dos.state.fl.us/20041102_STAT.html

[City Lights]

21. Got it, thanks.

:-)

[City Lights]

41. The link above that worked all day is no longer working.

404 Object Not Found

I sent all this information to my cousin in Tallahassee who is a lawyer. By the time he was able to look at it the file was gone.

Now I'm even more suspicious.

[batchdem04]

42. Try this

http://enight.dos.state.fl.us/StatusRpt.Asp?ElectionDate=11/2/2004&Datamode=E

(Its from the "County Reporting" link from the left side menu, under Status)

[City Lights]

45. Thanks again.

;-)

[shraby]

20. kick this thread

:kick: :kick: :kick:

[Ducks In A Row]

22. email to keith olbermann

some of us are emailing him stuff to see if it's possible one MSM guy will be willing to really look at this. Keith the one who's the most likely it seems.

[e-mail]


who knows, he gets enough stuff in the email it might work

[batchdem04]

24. thanks..i did it

will let you guys know if he responds

[City Lights]

23. As the proof of another stolen election mounts, the question remains.

What are we going to do about it? Has anyone here had any luck contacting the media or other organization that might be interested? I may contact the ACLU and see if they're interested.

[nolabels]

37. This will probably the last real (fake) election anyway

I think we are going to need to stick together in future even more. We are part of the majority, but we will have change the way we operate in the near future before they change theirs.

I also can feel they will start one frantic xenophobic incidents to keep the mix up going. The tactic of making chaos to control others (keep them busy) so they can get the desired outcome.

They are going to need a big interrupting bit of news to stop people who are like us, that are looking for the truth. I think our snowball breaks out first, we have gotten the jump and are out the gate.

We got the wind at our back, lets keep it that way :thumbsup:

[txindy]

56. What you are saying about striking first before they notice is correct

Also about them creating chaos for distraction when they see what we're doing. I honestly believe that that is why Kerry and his people are not speaking about this. They're looking into it on the quiet, as well. Florida 2000 was a serene tea party compared to what would happen if the B*sh brothers got wind of what was happening. We have to get the answers and get the word out before the mud hits the fan, as it were.

[City Lights]

25. I just got off the phone with the FL ACLU.

I explained the situation and was asked to send an email to [e-mail] outlining the problem, with links. I was asked to write "intake" in the subject line. I encourage everyone concerned about this to do the same.

[Ducks In A Row]

26. excellent!

[Mugsy]

27. "Votes cast" vs "Voters"

That means 90,000 votes cast by absentee.

[batchdem04]

28. there are about 200k extra votes

but there were 1.6 MILLION absentee ballots...so i don't think the 90k is absentee

[Expat_Kristen]

34. I just emailed the FL DOS

and asked for a clarification to the discrepency in these numbers. WE need to pursue this. Email Michael Moore, your local newspapers (for those, like me, in Florida. For anyone wondering, these calculations are 100% correct. I just printed them out from the DOS website and tallied them myself.

IF the FL DOS does not provide a decent answer, I think we can assume, there is once again, something rotten in Florida.

[bear425]

30. make sure you save the file locally...

Things sometimes "disappear" on the web. Then email the info to Bev Harris at:

[e-mail]

Her website is:
www.blackboxvoting.org

Great catch - get it to the right person now!

[batchdem04]

32. thanks, i emailed her..

[shraby]

35. No matter how many absentee or other ballots,

they have to be registered in order to vote at all, and when the number of votes cast exceeds the number of registered voters, something stinks mightily.

I sent this to dailykos.com, and gregpalast.com. I included the address for the number of registered voters also.

[Expat_Kristen]

36. 237,522

The total number of EXTRA votes for president in Florida.

237,522 more votes for president than actual number of voters in the election is a number to get PISSED OFF about.

We need to get this out.

[batchdem04]

38. Suprise! FL website down

http://enight.dos.state.fl.us/

[batchdem04]

40. its back up..hehe

[bufffbison]

46. GELAC On johnkerry.com - Is Kerry Challenging for a recount?

has this just been posted?

https://contribute.johnkerry.com/gelac.html?team=4617

[professor skisurf]

48. No,

Kerry was seeking GELAC funds in the last month or so of the campaign in case of recounts. I donated to it and am pissed now that he bowed out without a fight. Wish I could get my money back and give it to BBV instead...

[wantkerryin]

60. Soros..

we need soros!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Soros!!! Make a contribution, that'll bag it.

[tinrobot]

43. Can we make it a web page?

I can read it, but some people don't have Excel.

VERY disturbing... we need to get it out there for everyone.

[tinrobot]

44. I made a web page...

...for those who can't read excel files. Take the HTML and mirror it if you can

http://www.rubberbug.com/temp/FloridaDifferences.htm

[Straight Shooter]

47. Kick

Good work. Keep reposting this if it gets lost in the flood of threads. I think we're going to see a lot more threads on voting irregularities. Er, I mean voting fraWd.

[sherilocks]

49. Anyone who has MS works can download

the file to the spreadsheet. Save the file to the desktop. Open MS works spreadsheet and opem the file that you just saved.

The following stats are taken right from the PB website.

Reg/Turnout Percent
Total Registration 729,575
Total Turnout 547,340 75.02%
Election Day Turnout 404,666 55.47%
Absentee Turnout 141,633 19.41%
Provisional Turnout 1,041 0.14%

542,835 votes were cast for president according to the state spreadsheet.

547,340 votes were cast total.

4,500 voters did not vote for president.

stats taken from the Palm Beach Website:

PRESIDENT/VICE PRESIDENT
Completed Precincts: 695 of 695 (100.00%)
Vote Count Percent
REP - George W. Bush 212,578 39.05%
DEM - John F. Kerry 328,553 60.35%
CPF - Michael A. Peroutka 575 0.11%
LIB - Michael Badnarik 617 0.11%
GRE - David Cobb 226 0.04%
SWP - James Harris 155 0.03%
SPF - Walter F. Brown 106 0.02%
REF - Ralph Nader 1,568 0.29%
Total 544,378 100.00%

2,962 people in Palm Beach county did not vote for president

US Senate Race:

US SENATE
Completed Precincts: 695 of 695 (100.00%)
Vote Count Percent
REP - Mel Martinez 200,403 37.93%
DEM - Betty Castor 317,991 60.19%
VET - Dennis F. Bradley 9,525 1.80%
WRITE-IN 435 0.08%
Total 528,354 100.00%

18,986 voters in Palm Beach County did not vote for senator.

Local Race (countywide) Tax Collector

TAX COLLECTOR
Completed Precincts: 693 of 693 (100.00%)
Vote Count Percent
REP - Pete Carney 186,602 36.43%
DEM - John K. Clark 325,582 63.57%
Total 512,184 100.00%

35,156 voters did not vote for tax collector.

If someone wants to recrunch these numbers, go for it. But 3,000 people not voting for president is not unusual.

[KalicoKitty]

50. Kick

:kick: :kick: :kick:

[Hailtothechimp]

51. Take a look at Hernando County.

In both places, it indicates that ZERO votes were cast. The column that shows voter % (usually in the 70% range for most counties) is simply blank, when if no votes were actually tallied, it should be 0%. Someone "overlooked" it not once, but twice. That's no coincidence.

[St. Jarvitude]

52. Kick!

Kick for the drunk Saturday night crowd :D

:kick:

[lakeguy]

55. dude, i'm drunk and can still see that 2+2 does not equal

3. or is it 5...help me out herex(

[Divine Discontent]

57. method to their madness

so much fraud... my mind hurts...


bastard rethugs... that was their goal ----


to inundate us with thousands of fraudulent activities that it would make us physically ill.


meanwhile, bombs are killing in fallujah...

Jesus Christ does NOT endorse this, contrary to popular Bush-belief.

[Divine Discontent]

58. WHO'S GOT LIQUOR?

JUST A SHOT OR TWO OUGHT TO PUT ME TO SLEEP OVER THIS CRAP!

[SoCalDemocrat]

59. This is clearly not right

YOu can't have more votes than voters unless it's Afghanistan.

An 11% no-vote for president is also totally hacked. The national average I think was 1%. Alot of presidential votes didn't get registered in Palm Beach county.

Damn CONs.