Could the Kerry email be a red herring?

[Greybnk48]

I've been reading this board off and on all day and the Kerry email has drawn a lot of attention. Is it possible that the email was not sent out by Kerry's people but sent out as a dirty trick to stir up bad feelings or sidetrack people? I just find it odd that the day before the election is going to be contested that Kerry would imply that his legal team found no fraud. Doesn't the Warren County lockdown contitute fraud in and of itself?

And to tag on a cheery message about (I think it was his) phone card campaign. I don't believe that this message came from Kerry.

[Pachamama]

1. Maybe...I don't know what to think...I'm too sick to my stomach right now.

And is it true that Kerry won't be there tommorrow?

I'm so upset...I don't know what to believe anymore...

[Karenca]

7. kerry's in iraq ... nt

[Pachamama]

14. Great, so he can get assasinated in a suicide bombing?

WTF JOHN! I knew you were going to Iraq, but I assumed it was on say somewhere between Jan. 7th and Jan 20th...I assumed as Senator for MA and the "candidate" for President, that you would bother to meet on Jan. 6th for the most important vote....

Unfucking believable...I don't even know what to say....I'm so mad I can't even breath....

[sd_UDO]

2. Doesn't matter

whether it was Kerry's or not

What matters is how he votes tomorrow.

Let's have OUR OWN Inaugurations!

Here's how--------->

http://www.angelfire.com/sd2/105/udo/

http://www.angelfire.com/sd2/105/udo/

[FreepFryer]

6. Actually, what matters to me is that he NOT vote tomorrow. Which I support

while simultaneously urging others to vote.

Contradictory? Actually, it isn't. But I'll leave it to the reader to decide why.

[Greybnk48]

10. sd_UDO

I know several people who would be interested in this--thanks!

[Vektor]

3. I'm pretty sure it's genuine...

It would be easy enough to trace its origins.

And what would a fake letter accomplish?

[Greybnk48]

4. side track people

cause bad feelings, etc.

[Vektor]

9. I guess...

..but it boosted a lot of people too..got them active...got them calling congress...it may have done a lot of good.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

5. I think

you should look at the properties of the e-mail. Unless of course, Kerry's site has been hacked. I suppose that would fit into your theory.:crazy:
It's official, but I have no idea what in the hell he was thinking.

[GetTheRightVote]

8. Nope, just Kerry Style all over again, he wants to know we are still here

and fighting for election fraud reform and we know more then that is needed, I sent my emails off, I will make the calls, and then I will see where the dice land tomorrow while I stake out my own piece of concrete in the rally .....

:kick:

[Greybnk48]

18. well I'm not giving up

I don't mean my questioning the letter to come across as Kerry bashing, I'm a hard-core Kerry supporter and have no intention of giving up. Surely he knows about the Homeland Security incident. I just thought the denial of actual wrongdoing was odd. But if the letter's a strategy then I'm wrong.

[whometense]

30. Me too.

He means to use his mailing list, and I'm 100% down with that.

[Sydnie]

11. I don't for a minute believe it was faked.

If they had that ability it would have been more inflamitory than this one was. It would have made claims that we all know couldn't be possible rather than a plea to get people to motivate their Senators.

Think about it. If you could fake a letter at the 11th hour from someone in Kerry's position, would you stop at asking them to call their Senators? Or would you make the claim that tomorrow they will lead the way to storm the building or something just as outrageous as that?

It's real.

[elshiva]

12. Anyways,

Is it a good idea to phone Hastert and Frist like the e-mail says? Will those smegheads listen to us?

[jayctravis]

13. I liked it.

Kerry stated he will not be participating in a protest of the recount. Didn't say it wasn't going to happen. Neutral we like.

Then we got an intelligent spelling out of what voting means and why it needs to be protected. I had a thought the other night. Kerry will be Iraq pitching in whilst Bush throws an expensive party.

He's still a Senator, no matter what happens, and he's said he will continue to work for all of us. From the debates I know Kerry is intelligent and fucking HAS read Orwell's 1984 and is not afraid of playing hands on in a war where dirty work is going on and then exactly explaining his experiences to the American people. It has been threatened that careers are at stake. He is safely in the senate no matter what happens in the coming months. He said he has our backs, and I took that to mean whether he is President or not.

[Greybnk48]

25. I'm a believer

I had the honor of shaking his hand and looking the man in the eye. I trust him implicitely ( I'm leaving out a few details of my brief encounter). But I trust him without hesitation.

[KatieB]

15. I didn't think it came from Kerry either. It was signed "Friends of Kerry

Totally odd. What lawyer would even suggest there was no fraud.

[Vektor]

20. "Friends of John Kerry"

Is a private organization that maintain a site for him. His official Kerry/Edwards campaign site cannot be used for the purpose of generating support anymore, since the campaign is officially over.. I know and have worked with two of the "friends of Kerry" people. They are a real site.

[Sydnie]

26. I just got a great holiday card from them this week

better late than never! It had some great pictures from the campaign and a short message inside. Preprinted signatures of Teresa and John but nice all the same. I am considering framing the card with the pictures out so I can look at them and remember what might have been and what might still be possible someday.

[Vektor]

36. I got one from the Edwardses...

but not the Kerrys! Man. :-(

[Sydnie]

39. Well, I didn't get one from the Edwardses

wish I had that one too. poop!

[Vektor]

41. Aw well....

We both got something good, though. :-)

[MeDeMax]

28. it was signed John Kerry, "Paid for by Friends of John Kerry, Inc."

it looks legit, the writing sounds Kerry-campaign-ish, but the msg headers look different from previous campaign emailings.

Upon a closer look, I am convinced it is authentic.

[Vektor]

16. I checked out the origins of the email..

It came from the same email generator as all the other Kerry emails I get. It seems ok.

[Dr.Phool]

17. Fuck Kerry

I worked my ass off for him for 7 solid months (I was working the Dean campaign before that), He promised "No Retreat, No Surrender", and he surrendered faster than Monica Lewinsky could gag.

It's him. He's a quitter. If he won't fight, I'm not gonna fight for him.

[Vektor]

23. Monica didn't gag.

Nor did Kerry surrender. But hey, think what you want. If you think he's through, ok then. If you expect the worst there's only room for pleasant surprises.

[dreamcollector]

42. Great line Monica didn't gag Nor did Kerry surrender. I agree

I'll go further. He will be president in 2005.

[Vektor]

43. Thanks...

And ditto. :-)

[FreakinDJ]

19. Just more DNC don't rock the boat politics

Hate say it but I have been a steadfast Democrat all my life and now i am becoming to dissatisfied to ignore any more. If a democrat senator fails to stand up tomorrow I am afraid that it is about it for me.

It is not about if we can change the outcome of the election or not any more but rather we need to stop the Ratpuke machine from stealing any more elections. The only way we will ever do that is to call national attention to the problem of vote manipulation.

It is all to apparent the GOP is actively illegally determining the results of our national elections by compromising a single swing state. Its like the arcade game where kids try to determine and knock out the clown as he pops out of different holes. We don't know which state they are going to tamper / void the vote next.

If the Dems remain asleep again this time they are going to wake up 3rd to a National Labor Party

[puddycat]

21. I think its just more of the Kerry style--trying to please everyone

........and thereby pleasing no one. I was boiling mad when I read that email. He wont' bother to show up and stand up? Then I won't bother to vote for him if he ever runs again. (ok, I wouldn't have done that anyway). I believe Kerry can do some good for America in the Senate representing Massachusetts, but that's it. I fully believe this election was HIS, and that * won by fraud again, and when Kerry chose not to fight, that was it.

God, how I wish Dean could have got the nomination.

[WebeBlue]

22. Maybe Sen. Kerry's website hacked too, message there and

is not unlike the email that went out. I didn't question the email from Kerry that I got today, and yeah I know it's not really from Kerry himself, but I believe it is authorized by Kerry to go out and I don't have a clue what it means, except that the timing of it being sent out IS the message.

See this by a poster at CGCS ... http://www.commongroundcommonsense.org/index.php?showtopic=13743&hl=


http://kerry.senate.gov/bandwidth/home.html#

QUOTE
Statement by Senator Kerry on the Congressional Certification of Electoral College Results

Below is a statement from Senator John Kerry on the Congressional certification of Electoral College results:

Wednesday, January 5, 2005

“On November 3, I conceded the presidential election to George Bush and also expressed my commitment to ensuring that every vote in this election is counted. While I am deeply concerned about the issues being highlighted by my colleagues in Congress and citizens across the country and support their efforts to highlight the need to ensure voting rights, I will not be joining their protest of the Ohio Electors.

“As Representative John Conyers’ (D-Mich.) recently released voting rights report shows, there are very troubling questions that have not yet been answered by Ohio election officials. I have supported and will continue to support a close examination of voting irregularities in Ohio and elsewhere because it’s critical to our democracy.

“As I have committed, in the coming months I will present a national proposal to ensure transparency and accountability in our voting process. I plan to use the information gathered by Representative Conyers in his report, and information from other investigations underway, to guide my legislation. It will be one of my top agenda items. I ask the Republican leadership, and all those concerned about voting rights, to join this effort so that we act on reform this year.

“I will continue to strongly support the efforts of the civil rights and voting rights groups across the country that continue to investigate what happened in 2004 and how we can ensure it will never happen again.

“I am currently traveling in the Middle East to thank our troops for their service, and I am reminded once again of the power of democracy and fair and free elections. All American citizens should have the confidence that their vote was counted. Our democracy depends on it.” ###

[Greybnk48]

27. This sound more like it

Now I'm convinced the other email is bogus. Assholes!

[Left coast liberal]

24. Hm... interesting theory...maybe.. can we find out for sure? n/t

[smurfygirl]

29. what e-mail?

I haven't been paying attention.

I did not recieve an e-mail.
Can someone please explain.

[FuzzySlippers]

31. Kerry sent out an email

saying he would not participate in a formal protest of the certification of the Ohio electors.

[Greybnk48]

32. It seems to be coming from a variety of places

I just went to another thread to get the link for friends of Kerry because that's where I thought it came from. In the other thread they said they got it from [e-mail] forwarded by the Vote Cobb website.

[ZRB]

33. Last minute hopeful thought about secret Kerry plan.

Perhaps Kerry has privately convinced every Democratic Senator to challenge the vote tomorrow. Say that he told his colleagues to brush off any talk of vote fraud in order to keep the media quiet. Then Kerry goes to Iraq, a very dangerous thing that looks very good politically. When the Senators challenge, and present, say, incredibly overwhelming evidence of vote fraud, they could possibly force the Congress to throw out Ohio's votes. The incredible unity displayed by the Democrats in Congress would look great, and Kerry wouldn't look in any way ambitious. Then if a legal battle ensued, and there was talk of re-voting Ohio or "flipping" the state, it wouldn't seem as though Kerry was simply a "sore loser."


Then Kerry is inaugurated.


*But of course, it will never happen. There was no fraud in Ohio, after all.

[JoMama49]

34. I thought the same thing when I first saw the letter -- almost

like the Osama tape right before the election?

[ISUGRADIA]

35. No it's not fake. Does anyone really think if a fake e-mail had been sent

out SOMEONE would have posted a real e-mail from the Kerry people advising us of this once they got wind of it? Come on. They're still people on staff handling the e-mail list.

[Amaryllis]

37. This was checked out by Nancy Price from the Alliance for Democracy

today. Nancy and Cliff Arnebeck are co-chairs of AFD. Cliff called Kerry's lawyer, Don McTigue, and he confirmed that this is Kerry's position. I talked to Nancy Price today after she talked to Cliff after he talked to McTigue.

Kerry announced quite a few weeks ago that he would be in Iraq at this time.

[Niche]

38. I don't know but I did not receive anything from Kerry camp. in my

email. It does say "friends of Kerry" on the letter that was posted. Who knows? The letter didn't piss me off if it was a fraud attempting too...

[Pam-Moby]

40. my email from Kerry today is from the same place as the other

emails that I have received from Kerry. I was a bit shocked by the timing, but we will know in a few hours what the destiny is for our voting in OH.

[ntwkgirl]

44. 3 million - either way

He just told 3 million people about voter fraud. I'm pissed he is pulling a Monty Python (run away...run away!!) But still, it was a recipe (numbers included) for making a stink. Have you ever gotten a letter with someone asking you to contact someone, and then filling in a form to let them know you followed through? That was very odd.