"It would be a mistake sit around and whine" after election - Clinton

[The Straight Story]

Clinton Weighs In On The Election

* Says Election Not So Bad For Democrats


Nov 5, 2004 3:41 pm US/Eastern
NEW YORK (AP) Former President Bill Clinton, in his first public remarks since the election, said Friday that President Bush's re-election offered great opportunities for both the incumbent and the Democratic Party.

"The two are not necessarily in conflict," Clinton told the annual conference of the Urban Land Institute, a Washington-based think tank. Democrats "shouldn't be all that discouraged" by Bush's narrow victory over U.S. Sen. John Kerry, he continued.

It would be a mistake, Clinton warned, for Democrats to "sit around and whine" after Tuesday's results.

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[Ducks In A Row]

1. uh, bill? we aren't whining. we are pissed at the election fraud

that apparently you are ignoring

[nolabels]

2. I am almost getting ready to listen to Alex Jones about this guy

What is he thinking anyway :shrug:

On edit, why should we care what he thinks? (it's not his democracy, it's ours :kick:)

[lancdem]

10. Who's Alex Jones?

[nolabels]

14. He is kind of a winger, but has a few good takes about what..........

some of this scum is doing. Gets off on tangents etc. I stay away from his conclusions too. But some is stuff is good. He had a lot people on the left on his shows too. His predictions are getting pretty damn close though. Who knows, check it out (some of it's crazy, but remember crazy in, crazy out, he is more of news channeler than originator also)

You can find him here
http://www.prisonplanet.com/index.html

[lancdem]

4. Even if Clinton believed there were fraud (and he very will might)

he couldn't exactly say that publicly, could he, unless he possessed irrefutable proof.

[smirkymonkey]

17. Whose side is he on anyway?

First of all, many of us believe that a grave injustice has gone, once again, unchallenged.

Secondly, a lot of us have devoted months or even years of our lives to getting Bush out of office and he's telling us to "get over it" three days after our hopes and dreams have been shattered?

Thirdly, I am tired of this notion that we must all buck up and march forward. Everyone has their own way of dealing with things and the grieving process moves along at varying paces. Would you tell someone who just lost a loved one or a job to "get over it" three days after it happened?

What the hell is with all this rolling over and "joining hands" shit that we're hearing from our supposed Democratic leaders? Bush is insane and to suggest that we can "work" with him is INSULTING at best! :grr:

[grannylib]

3. We're not whining (most of us, anyway...) we're discussing the facts,

trying to get organized and see what we can do to participate in our Democracy while we still fucking have one, sort of.
We should all check in with the folks in the Ohio and Florida State forums, and any others where there was widespread ReThuglican fraud/intimidation/suppression/ballot and/or registration destruction and see what we can do to help the efforts they seem to be organizing.

[lancdem]

6. He didn't say anyone was whining

[keopeli]

5. Who's whining?

The most important election ever and democracy lost. No whining. Maybe some tears. Maybe some desperation.

Clinton's day is now gone. His philandering (which I never minded) painted the Democratic Party as secular for many many years. Clinton will never, ever be able to help the Dem party again. He is a lightening rod for moral issues.

His legacy? I wanted it to be fiscal responsibility. It's not. It will be the moral decay and death of the Democratic Party, which lead to the death of Democracy and the rise of the Holy States of America.

It makes me sad. I really, really like Clinton.

[lancdem]

9. Bull

Clinton was not even an issue in this campaign, and we lost the fundamentalist vote badly. How the hell is that his fault?

Four years ago, people claimed Clinton's moral failings hurt Gore. We can't use that excuse now for losing on values, can we?

[hatrack]

16. I'm sorry, but you sound like Chimpy - blaming Clinton for our woes

The Fundies weren't voting for Kerry anyway, they weren't voting for Gore anyway, and they sure as hell weren't voting for Clinton (if you want to go back the full eight years).

So spare us the "secular" tarbrush, OK? In case you hadn't noticed, the government of the United States is explicitly and specificaly secular.

The heart of my criticism of Clinton that his philandering was above all mind-numbingly STUPID. But like you I didn't give a damn about his personal life. As Chris Rock said, "The guy got a blowjob and lied about it so his wife wouldn't find out." BFD.

But all that did in terms of conservative voters was supply a couple new horns to stick to the forehead of their image of Clinton - and that's assuming they weren't there already.

[glitch]

7. the whiners are wringing their hands and wondering what did we do wrong?

The fighters are fighting the bbv. If Bill wants to take a pass, fine. But he can't accuse us of sitting around and whining.

That's divisive.

Edit to add: okay, maybe he's talking about the whiners on the cable shows.

[AuntPatsy]

8. They have the money, they know the right people, are they using

these rescources wisely enough to help unmask this criminal element or is this all show and circumstance. We aren't whining if you ask me, well not the majority of us and I take offense at the remark that we are. Is this a subtle hint to make our voices louder? Will he and his washington brethen pay for the lawyers and to get people out of jail for daring to voice opposition against this candidate?

I like you Clinton, but I am sick to death of word games...Don't play with us, it's not the time and we get quite enough of it from those in power at the current time..and Don't think many on this board are not doing the best they can with what they have to unmask the illegal activities of this current administration...

And we expect for you and YOURS to do your part, and that includes Kerry and company, I only hope what some duers think Kerry to have been hinting at when he said he was watching our back is true and not some trumped up giving up speech....

[GreenPartyVoter]

11. Baloney!!!!!! He should be telling us to fix the system

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[Democat]

12. Clinton played into the right's hands by using the word "whine" about Dems

Stupid.

They control the message and even when our side gets to speak, we use their negative words about our party.

[ladjf]

13. Personally I don't care what Clinton thinks. I don't think he

wanted the Dems to win in 2004. I'm over him.

[Copperred]

15. RAILROAD HIM

ROLL OVER BILL


NOTE NO ONE WANTS TO ADDRESS THE FACT THERE IS A MAJOR PROBLEM HERE WITH THE CLOSED DOOR ATTITUDE AND REALITY SURROUNDING THE MACHINES.


RAILROAD THEM ALL.......>THIS IS GOING TO WAKE ALOT OF PEOPLE UP.

[Gyre]

18. How DLC and how paternalistic!

I don't need his effin advice; I've already got a daddy (unlike him).

Bill Clinton I'm sure is a really intelligent man but he's got the wisdom of a flatworm and like most powerful men, the morals of an alley cat. Too bad. He and his little cabal have handed the reins of America to neo-fascists over the last 3 elections.

Gyre

[never_get_over_it]

19. Just left a nasty ass message

to the last honestly elected President at his wife's office telling him not to dare tell me not to whine and to do something about these freaking machines - and I added that I am a supporter of President Clinton but this statement has pissed me off...

[BootinUp]

20. There's something wrong when we are dissing

the best politician currently alive and he is in our party.

[The Straight Story]

24. I think the biggest frustration relates

to how the big guns in the dem party have just shrugged it all off (at least publically). The little folks but their asses to get out the vote for a party, spend their time and money, and throw away internal diviseness between candidate choices. The party leaders? They don't even make a public statement in regards to fraud, et al. They toss it to us to do the work knowing we will and that in 2008 we will do it all over again for them.

Perhaps the only exception to all that was Gore. The party leaders should do what we wanted to elect them to do - LEAD. Lead this fight, promise us resources, help push through FOIA requests, get the word out to the public.

But they don't seem to be doing that. Why? Fear. Fear it will hurt them politically - they care more about their jobs than the BBV and other fraud. Fear of ridicule, fear of probably many things. They don't listen because they don't have to - they know you will vote for them in 2006. You won't vote republican, nor nader. They have it all sewed up nicely - they tell us the repubs are the enemy and so they know we won't put them in office, they know we will fight for them even when they don't lift a finger to fight for us.

Damn sad day indeed.

[PretzelWarrior]

21. I really hate Bill Clinton right now. I'm joining an UN-DRAFT HILLARY

campaign. I'm curious why this guy needs to insert his opinion in here.

He shouldn't be talking about working with Bush and allowing progressive values to be sold further down the river.

He should be TELLING--ney, COMMANDING Bush to bend over backward to work with the left.

I refuse to accept his advice. If he wants to tell the Dems to get up and dust off so they can fight like never before for what they believe in...great.

But we know what happens when you bargain and work cooperatively with this particular group.

[TheKingfish]

22. Fuck Clinton and offshoring and H1's and NAFTA

and Iraqi santions and 'welfare reform'... Yea he gives good speeches but where has it left us?

[The Flaming Red Head]

23. Yeah whatever, when does the recount start?

Who cares what he thinks. It ain't about him. It's about US.

[The Straight Story]

25. If it was only clinton

I wouldn't have a problem with it. See my post a few ticks above.

[The Flaming Red Head]

26. I hate that they're calling it a mandate on social issues

and the war. He protested the war in his time. I don't want the kids I know to get shot up over this idiot in office's miscalculations. I don't think it was legal and I am mad. I'm not getting over it. And I won't be good. I'm not whining, I'm screaming. I'm pissed. This is fraud.

[camero]

27. Well now we know

It's us against the political class. Dems give up way too easily because they don't lose by conceding but actually gain from Bush's tax cuts. The whole vote smells like a set-up.