URGENT!!! We can get a recount but YOU have to act NOW!!!!!

[hedda_foil]

Ralph Nader has agreed to contest in New Hampshire but there's only an hour left for him to do it. NH was finally called for Kerry, but the results differ hugely from the exit polls. Nader has agreed to file for a recount but must have a good number of individual requests faxed to him within the next hour in order to make the deadline. Please write to him and demand that he request an official recount of the New Hampshire vote tally. He's the only one that can and will do this so please, just hold your nose and do it.

The fax number is 202-265-0092. If you have a group of activists, involved, use the group name as well as your own in the request.

Thanks,
hedda

[batchdem04]

1. NH?

damn...but i'll fax anyways...

what about FL, he was on the ballot there!

[Lone_Star_Dem]

2. I think the idea must be to use a state we won as a sample

to make note of how the exit polls were right/wrong. My guess anyway.

I faxed.

[Carl Brennan]

35. NH has the most glaring differance between exit poll and actual results.

[SpongeBob]

42. Are you nuts?

So what's going to happen? Either the results will show that the discrepencies were insignificant because it didn't effect the outcome, (and this point will be WIDELY broadcast in the media), or Democrats will somehow be charged with corruption or incompetence in running the election. Just wait, NOTHING good will come from this. FLORIDA, OHIO and NEW MEXICO MUST BE INVESTIGATED.

[maryallen]

56. Wrong ...

Somebody -- a candidate -- has got to initiate the re-count for it to be legal. BBV has FOIA's in 34 states. NH is one of the smallest states -- therefore, most manageable -- that demonstrated some of the greatest swings in the Exit Polls.

It doesn't matter which side is shown to have committed fraud. What matters is getting at the truth. Furthermore, our party and our "leaders" have certainly not been paragons of virtue.

[MassLiberal]

3. i don't have a fax machine but

I can kick this thread

[hlthe2b]

4. Ralph could redeem himself if he would step into this election

fraud issue in a big, big way in Ohio and Florida....Even I'd be willing to forgive him!

[batchdem04]

5. faxed...

[Bluebear]

6. My luck, they will recount and award NH to Bush

[NewYorkerfromMass]

7. It is a risk

and I am not willing to take it.

[Jasper 91]

15. There is no risk . As it stands , Kerry lost .

Florida and Ohio have 11 more days to do a recount . If we take NH as a sample state , it will give more credence to the fraud . Remember , informed , intelligent people would not choose Bush over Kerry , that is why NH went to Kerry . An audit will no doubt give a bigger majority to Kerry .

[VoteJohn04_com]

39. WHAT DOES IT MATTER?!

Let's look at it this way... a recount of NH is a "risk"
yes, but WHAT DOES IT MATTER?!?!?

We've already "lost" -- at this point does it really matter
if we "lose" another state?!

Pros versus cons...

Pro - Recount occurs
Pro - We may find more votes for Kerry
Pro - We may Show MASSIVE fraud occured.
Pro - Which could Trigger recounts Nationwide
Pro - Which means that KERRY COULD WIN THE ELECTION

Cons - We may find more votes for Bush and lose...
OH WAIT! WE ALREADY 'LOST'!!!

Failure is assured if you FAIL TO EVEN TRY!

[bear425]

8. please explain to me why we want a Kerry state to be recounted?

Why exactly won't Nader insist on a recount of Florida first? That's where there are significant vote anomalies. I will fax if I get more info. Tia

[GreenPartyVoter]

10. Popular vote is still important, right? As long as it goes bluer...

-----------------------------------------------------------
FIGHT! Take this country back one town and state at a time!
http://www.geocities.com/greenpartyvoter/electionreform.htm

[crispini]

13. The point is to prove fraud nationwide.

Stream Randi at www.airamericaradio.com. It's a starting point, a wedge for ALL THE REST.

Now she's saying Delay and Hastert wouldn't let paper trail amendment to HAVA come to a vote!

[jmowreader]

19. Because there is a significant shift between the exit poll...

and the final count.

What we're doing is proving the exit poll problems on a state we've already got. We know the counts are way the fuck off in places like Florida and Ohio. We also know that unless we can prove this with a Kerry state before we start testing Bush states, we'll look kinda petty.

[bear425]

23. thank you - that makes sense to me now. n/t

[GreenPartyVoter]

9. Will it stay in the Kerry column... and can we call or email instead??

-----------------------------------------------------------
FIGHT! Take this country back one town and state at a time!
http://www.geocities.com/greenpartyvoter/electionreform.htm

[karlrschneider]

11. kick

.

[crispini]

12. This is now on Randi Rhodes.

Wooooooooooooooooooot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[crispini]

14. Do it! FAX RALPH!

THIS IS REAL PEOPLE! let's start something here........

[Pirate Smile]

16. Why NH? This makes no sense except that once again he wants to

screw Kerry.

I don't get it.

[Eloriel]

28. Guess what. Sometimes even people you hate do the right

thing, and THIS is the right thing IF you can get past your bias to help this country out by doing a simple fax.

I'm no fan of Ralph myself, but I'll honor him forever if he can help blow these computerized voting machines out of the water. And YOU WILL TOO. Now go fax.

[Carl Brennan]

36. Nader is not stupid. Give the guy some credit for knowing what he

is doing. Jeez.

[Birthday]

17. BUSY, BUSY, BUSY

Is there another number we can use????

[Birthday]

22. Hey! I got through!!

[Eloriel]

31. Good work! Thanks!

:loveya:

[never_get_over_it]

18. I wouldn't

fucking trust Ralph Nader to do anything - it makes no sense to challenge NH - why in the world would we do that - it can have no impact on the race and it is a big fat waste of time. We need to put our efforts on Ohio and Florida and maybe New Mexico because we got screwed there too....

[bloom]

20. I agree that if resources are to be spent - spend them in red states...eom

[Eloriel]

29. IT'S ABOUT THE MACHINES -- Not Ralph, not Kerry, not even Bush

The MACHINES. They're rotten to the core -- riggable, manipulable, hackable. They plus all the other vote suppression and vote fraud LOST THIS ELECTION FOR US. Kerry didn't lose. The machines did it.

[LisaL]

43. Looks like we could have been

DIEBOLDED, people!

[bear425]

21. ok, I did it and kick

[Pallas180]

25. It's now 5:47 . is it too late to fax or email?

tell me quick, cause I can post this where others wuill do it too.

[Eloriel]

24. JUST DO IT, People -- Ask questions later!! n/t

[Eloriel]

27. I can't believe this -- here's the deal

(I am sitting here banging my head on the desk reading this thread, in between trying to get thru the busy signal to fax my hastily handwritten plea.)

IF WE HAVE A CHANCE TO SHOW HOW RIGGABLE AND OTHERWISE UNTRUSTWORTHY THESE VOTING MACHINES ARE, THAT IS THE KEY, PARAMOUNT THING THAT TRUMPS EVERYTHING ELSE.

Unless, of course, you want to see Democrats continue to lose year after year after year at all levels of government.

Hedda_Foil is one of the founders of the Voter Integrity Project. She and her colleagues have been working nonstop on the computerized voting issue for months now (and also well before becoming involved with VIP).

WE DIDN'T LOSE THIS ELECTION. The combination of computerized, riggable/hackable/manipulable voting machines, vote suppression and vote fraud lost this election. It wasn't our message (or lack thereof) or even Kerry's "incoherence" or ANYthing else.

And if we don't start at the ballot box to get things fixed, you can just sit back and let the fascism roll right on over you, 'cause you can't vote 'em out if you never voted 'em in.

Get it?

Now go fax something, even tho it may be past time.

Hedda -- I've been off line ALL day, just signed in for the first time today and ALSO for the first time EVER checked this forum. Never been in here before. Amazing, huh? :hi:

[hedda_foil]

49. You betcha El!

The work that's going on in this forum is amazing! DU may just save the world in this forum. The momentum keeps growing.

[maryallen]

59. Well said, Eloriel ...

Regarding Nader:

Think about it as building a coalition of progressives.
Enligtened nations know how to build workable coalitions.

If that doesn't float your boat, consider it networking.

[henslee]

26. busy This is stupid. Just do it Ralph. You never need our approval before

Fucking headgame. One faxline. thousands of faxers.

[Eloriel]

30. Oh, kwitcherbitchin'

You don't know that this is about his ego -- there might be something else going on. Just do it, 'kay? (Or keep trying, as the case may be.)

[Carl Brennan]

34. Thanks for saying this. Nader is a crusader and always has

been IMHO. I have to admit his campaign made me queasy, but I don't think for a minute it was about his ego.

[henslee]

38. Sowwy. But I'm using a calling card to call LD and its a pain in the ass

that its busy busy busy.

[hangloose]

32. Done

[Carl Brennan]

33. Done. Nader is very, very good at this.

This is why I like Nader and hate seeing people rag on him.

[Carolab]

64. Absolutely. Nader is the MASTER

at this type of thing and LOVES this kind of a fight.

It's RIGHT up his alley.

SAVING OUR ELECTION SYSTEM? SAVING OUR DEMOCRACY?

RALPH NADER--a rebirth as our national hero!!!

GO RALPH!

[AzDar]

37. kick n/t

[SpongeBob]

40. Am I in the Twighlight Zone?!!!

This is the most idiotic thing imaginable. We're supposed to support Nader in contesting a Kerry state? What the hell is WRONG with you people?!!

[LisaL]

44. It's very strange, I agree.

Why doesn't Nader contest Florida?
????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
But since Kerry lost anyway, and if Nader wants to raise a stink about voting machines in New Hampshire, what have we got to loose?

[robbedvoter]

52. Ugh...credibility? The whole issue?

[ibegurpard]

45. Listen very carefully.

If it can be proven that there was funny business in an area where the auditless voting software was used then it calls into question the results EVERYWHERE it was used. Do you understand?
Nader cannot win this and thus he is the most credible person to undertake the task.

[SpongeBob]

54. Your "War on Fraud..."

is like Bush's concept of a "War on Terror," some sort of abstract concept. The REALITY of what will happen if Nader goes into this Kerry state is that the media will then widely report either that there was some shenanegans on the part of the Republicans that had no significance on the outcome,and/or (most likely) DEMOCRATS will be blamed for incompetence or corruption, or both. In any case, the issue will be diffused, to the delight of the Republicans (I'm begiinning to believe they're the ones sending Nader to New Hampshire, in order to diffuse the issue, right as we've been getting more reports of corruption in Ohio and Florida).

[IdaBriggs]

73. BULLSHIT!!! * I * BEGGED FOR HELP FROM ANYBODY & EVERYBODY ---

and (to repeat myself) NADER was the only one willing to help. Go read this thread for the full story. I am so *NOT* GOP!!!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=24757&mesg_id=24757

[dweller]

41. HERE'S THE EMAIL ADDRESS TO SEND TO

[e-mail]


below is my email from Bev Harris, just received, timestamped 8:43pm (not sure about that timestamp)
_________________________________
This is an example message.

Please forward this request to Mr. Nader asking him to challenge the New
Hampshire election results. Thank you.

Respectfully,
your name
http://www.blackboxvoting.org activist

fax# [phone]

or email [e-mail]

202.265.4000 is the main number at Nader’s office if you know anyone who wants to
call or needs an address for snail mail.
____________________________________________________


do it!
dp

[Pallas180]

46. done...by e mail

:hopping:

[robbedvoter]

47. Nader wants to accuse KERRY of fraud! Wake up!

Intention is to confuse the issue of fraud - they all do it. DO NOT HELP!

[ibegurpard]

48. If there was fraud and we can prove it

then we can get rid of these machines and find a better way. Democrats could then participate on a level playing field. And do you really think that fraud on the part of Democrats would give Bush a 3,000,000 vote edge nationwide?

[robbedvoter]

50. But the discussion will be: DEMS STEAL ELECTIONS!

THINK - what does he want this Nader guy? Who paid him to run? Who put him on ballots? Who got hinm injected in OUR movement? COINTELPRO?

[ibegurpard]

53. How can the discussion be Dems steal elections?

With the monumental loss we had?
And if they were able to rig it in New Hampshire, why wouldn't they rig it in other places to ensure a victory?
You're letting your anger at Nader cloud your judgement.

[robbedvoter]

57. Because Kerry won NH IN SPITE of Nader! (almost tipped it again)

My judgement is clear - although when I heard the news I was happy for a moment. then I remembered NH is a Kerry state and my judgement unclouded. How about yours?

[IdaBriggs]

75. Uh, NO. Go read the New Hampshire study I did.

Third party was NOT an issue.

[Pallas180]

61. Methinks "ROBBED VOTER" doth protest too much. hmmm?

wonder why he wouldnt want to find out if the machines were hacked.

couldnt be a hacker. a hired hacker.

nah. they would never come onto DU.

would they.

[robbedvoter]

67. Dear Pallas - my handle was picked in 2000 and I never quit on the issue

I sent Randi this graph - and posted on about every thread in every forum I am a member. I am determined to prove fraud. BUT NOT IN THE ONLY STATE KERRY FLIPPED

[IdaBriggs]

74. NO -- ME!!! IdaBriggs!!!

Because of THIS www.invisibleida.com/New_Hampshire.htm !!! As I explained in RIDICULOIS detail here http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=24757&mesg_id=24757 and when the search function works again, you can go do a search on the posts I've made about this in the last couple of days! (I hope to heavens I'm just responding to stuff you now understand already.)

[Pallas180]

60. I dont care for Kerry anymore than he cared for us - the MACHINES - this

is about the machines....and whether they were hacked or not.

What are you? one of the hackers who doesnt want to be caught?

That's what your protestations might make someone think.

[robbedvoter]

69. Don't care much for Kerry either. But I want the GOP exposed, not

the Dems (I am no longer one, but my vote went there for good reasons)
It's not the machines, it's the criminals - that being BFEE, not Kerry.

[hedda_foil]

51. Thanks folks. You can stop faxing now!

Nader has formally requested a recount. The timing is slightly iffy because, though he got the request in just a couple of minutes before the 5 o'clock deadine, their check for $2,000 and guarantee that they'll pay the recount costs (up to $40,000) couldn't be sent that fast. We think we've found a way to get the expenses covered, but the SoS can deny the request because all the pieces didn't reach him before the deadline. If that happens, we can take it to court and appeal the ruling.

[robbedvoter]

55. So the GOP check cleared then? Good, I thought you were asking

us to pay to contest the winning of OUR candidate. How sick is this s*?

[Pallas180]

58. not smart. the machines are hackable & you're discouraging ppl from findin

finding that out...

[robbedvoter]

71. But the wrong people will be accused for it. Not Bushco, but the victims

Congratulations!

[nodehopper]

62. if it went to court, are the judges sympathetic?

I know very little about NH legislative and judicial branches.

[chi_girl_88]

63. Kerry's asking for contributions to legal fund for RECOUNTS

Would have started a thread if I knew how, but...

This page was created today.

https://contribute.johnkerry.com/gelac.html?team=4617

[chi_girl_88]

65. Sorry to reply to my own post,

But someone on another board just pointed out that all web pages show a "created today" date when you check the properties. Drat.

[LisaL]

68. It should be Kerry was asking for contributions-

that was before the election. They have asked for money promising they will not let 2000 be repeated again.

[katinmn]

66. Done.

Thanks.

[rodeodance]

72. so, are you saying that Kerry asking for recount is not updated?

[JohnOneillsMemory]

70. Done. And a check's in the mail to BBV.org for the FOIA Recount efforts.

Hey! My election got towed!

Now I have to buy it back from Karl Rove's Junkyard of Democracy!