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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 08:28 AM
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NPR covering recount movement
They did manage to get someone to say "conspiracy theorists." But they are interviewing the protestors at Kerry's house, talking about effort to get one Senator.

Sylvia Smith reporter?
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 08:30 AM
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1. On NPR this morning a white house spokesman
described the objections to the election as "wild conspiracies".
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proudbluestater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 08:39 AM
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2. No, a wild conspiracy is "Social Security is broke; I have to fix it"
Here's some more wild conspiracies:

"Things are going WELL in Iraq." (Where "insurgents" outnumber our forces.)

"Tax cuts will improve the economy."

"Alberto Gonzales will make a fine Attorney General."

"I earned capital in this election and now I'm going to spend it."

Just off the top of my head, there's a few.

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roenyc Donating Member (824 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 08:58 AM
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6. lol well said, nt
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 08:59 AM
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7. Yes, we are living in a time of reverse-meanings.
To find the truth, reverse everything BushCo says. It works every time.
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Chimpanzee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 09:10 AM
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12. Don't forget
That Tort reform is necessary. The trial lawyers are destroying our health care with crushing costs!
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yodermon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 09:45 AM
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21. Here's one
"19 poorly trained Arabian men hijacked jumbo jets with box-cutters and skillfully flew them into prominent US landmarks, utterly defeating our air defenses, and leaving their passports behind in the wreckage while the planes' black boxes are totally destroyed."
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 08:47 AM
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3. That was a pretty bad piece
but the one with Conyers was better. The Boston vigil piece shed no light on the credibility of this, the evidence, and it made it sound like it was Kerry supporters who hadn't come to grips with reality. Oh well.
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 08:51 AM
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4. Nina Totenberg...
...sounded pretty damned condescending in her report on the vigil. "All but the most diehard Democrats have long since removed their kerry signs and bumper stickers," or something like that. It got worse, but I've managed to block it out of my memory.
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demo dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 08:55 AM
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5. Ok so, she doesn't get it either, It's not not about Kerry!
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 09:09 AM
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11. The reporting was lame
The way they reported it said more about their own biases than anything else.

Of course I might be influenced by the fact that my car has a kerry sticker on the front and back, the car next to me at the parking lot at work today has a kerry sticker, two cars down from that is another one, and the car across from me has one also, so her assessment didn't seem reality-based to me.
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rockedthevoteinMA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 09:12 AM
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14. I wonder where she lives...I drove from MA to PA this weekend,
and I saw tons of K/E bumperstickers, and some yard signs too. It almost seems as if there are more on cars lately... :crazy:
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 09:25 AM
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16. fool-it is NOT about Kerry!! email her!!
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O.M.B.inOhio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 09:00 AM
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8. I heard it. not bad for he said / she said "journalism"
I was glad that they listened with respect (or at least professional patience) to the good folks keeping vogil outside Kerry's place, but it was just a piece about opinions. "We think there were irregularities and we should do the vote right." / "I think it's time to move on." / "Well, this tactic is quixotic."

I respinsible report would have included the question of why these people are so passionnate as to stand in the rain and snow for a week. Is there evidence? "I'm glad you asked. Ohio: You should ask Mr. Blackwell why he had poll books taken from recount workers and why they pre-selected precincts to recount and would not comply with the law and select them randomly. Why no answer about the bogus terrorist lockdown in Warren Co.? Why voting machine shortages in minority neighborhoods, while mostly white precincts were well equipped? And isn't it funny that all the "glitches favored the incumbent. And...."
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Redneck Socialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 09:05 AM
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9. It was a terrible piece
dismissive and condescending.
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Harry S Truman Donating Member (300 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 09:06 AM
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10. Lousy reporting
This "report" I heard was AWFUL. How could any reporter do a story on this topic and never use the word "OHIO."?
How?
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New Earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 09:10 AM
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13. let's see who all the 'conspiracy theorists' are in Congress today
:eyes:
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buddysmellgood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 09:19 AM
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15. The NYTimes piece sucked as well. This will be the new battle. The press
won't report on exactly why Conyers is challenging. They'll just piss and moan about "conpiracy" theories. We'll have to work hard to make it right.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 09:31 AM
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18. start doing our job by emailing NPR!!
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bufftiger Donating Member (35 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 09:27 AM
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17. An awful hit piece on NPR..very disappointed
To keep the reporting class aware that we're listening and thinking about how they frame issues, send her a note about what you think about this morning's piece..
Reporter Tovia Smith

morning@npr.org
or the NPR ombudsman
http://www.npr.org/contact/columns/index.php?columnId=2781901&personId=2781801

My take on the piece was that it was a shoddy example of journalism where the flashiest hook (protestors at kerry's house) was highlighted at the expense of the broader effort to challenge incompetent elections in our country
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 09:34 AM
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19. add to your list: NPR, Nina Totenberg, ntotenberg@npr.org
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Fly by night Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 09:38 AM
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20. Just sent "Morning Edition" and "All Things Considered" this response
"Last month, 60 million Americans believed that the 2004 Presidential election was stolen. Today, my guess is that this number is now over 100 million. The evidence is overwhelming and sufficient to have more than two dozen Representatives and six Senators willing to stand up to contest the Ohio electoral votes this afternoon. There is sufficient evidence for them to suspect that Florida, New Mexico and at least six other states were stolen too. And yet you continue to produce condescending reports that are not "reality-based" about the work that millions of Americans are engaged in to save our democracy from those who would trample on the foundations of our democracy. Shame on you.

"If anyone there can still read "fact-based" documents and not just more spin from the Republi-Nazis, here's two documents for you to wrap your fleeting jounralistic skills around. (Sent them Conyers and Freeman)

"Until it appears that NPR has regained some semblence of objectivity, competence and perspective; please don't look for any more contributions from me, ever."

And then I sent them this addendum:

"Since you persist in marginalizing our concerns, here's a link to protests that occurred yesterday in Nashville, Tennessee --which drew more than 100 people in this supposed "red" state (actually, we prefer to think of ourselves as the Orange State in honor of the Ukraine).

http://www.tnimc.org/feature/display/4027/index.php

"If over 100 people can protest for three hours in Nashville and get a 4-to-1 positive response from the passersby here, don't you think there is more to this story than you -- and the other mainstream media -- can grasp with your blinders on? Wake up, NPR. This isn't a third rate burglary, it's a violent gang-rape of our democratic process. Where are the brave, strong and bright journalists in this country when we need them?"


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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 11:13 AM
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22. Excellent response from the Plaid Adder >
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 11:15 AM
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23. Finally? With one hour forty-five minutes to go? Man are they slow
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