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Twist_U_Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 08:40 AM
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Arnebeck letter to Congress re Presidential Electoral Challenge
Dear United States Senator or Member of Congress:
Today, you are being asked to certify the reported votes of the Electoral College even though the status of the Ohio electors is still the subject of the meritorious election contest. You are being asked to do so on the basis of one or more of the following three fallacies:

1) The faith-based neocon fallacy that vote counts do not have to be independently verified.

This new "con" holds that facts may be overcome by assertions of faith by those in power. Thus, the Bush campaign co-chair for Ohio and Secretary of State Kenneth Blackwell need not count 106,000 as yet uncounted Ohio ballots, because he has faith they would not make a difference in the reported 119,000 vote difference even thought these uncounted votes all are in areas of Ohio that demonstrated strong support for John Kerry, and because, as Secretary of State he has the power not to count them.

A corollary of this fallacy is that Ken Blackwell need not answer questions under oath. The answers to such questions might upset peoples' faith in the new "con."

2) The fallacy that Karl Rove is a nice guy/clean campaigner, and those who suspect otherwise with respect to this election which Bush was expected to lose, are conspiracy theorists.

Karl Rove fights hard for what he wants . . . a worthy quality. However, no one has accused him of being a stickler for cleanliness in his campaigns.

Yet, you are being asked to believe that fewer machines and longer lines in Afro-American precincts, the scandalously lower vote counts in Afro-American precincts, the confusion over precincts and ballots and counts and the disproportionate requirement that Afro-American voters vote provisionally all as unintentional glitches.

You are being asked to believe that the biggest glitch of all, that is Ohio and national vote counts which are realistically impossible in light of the exit poll results, is accidental

Those of Jewish faith and Afro-American ethnicity are being labeled as conspiracy theorists rather than people with a special insight based upon historical maltreatment in institutions like slavery and the Holocaust, for their belief that anybody intentionally directed all these glitches just at them.

3) The rule of power fallacy which exempts those in power from the rule of law and the rules of evidence.

This fallacy is based upon the double standard where rules applied to others do not apply to those in power. America, because it is the world's military superpower, may use exit polls to verify or challenge the validity of elections in other countries, such as the Ukraine, Mexico and others, but exit polling may not be used to challenge election results reported in the United States

http://www.freepress.org/departments/display/19/2005/1068
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Smoochie Donating Member (65 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 09:11 AM
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1. Wow! This is powerful stuff!
"...In contrast to the intended victims of this fraud, you as a United States Senator, whether a member of the Democratic or Republican Party are called upon to judge this election not as a party but as a judge. You are bound by your oath to uphold the Constitution to judge this election independently and objectively with regard to the facts and the law.

Ohio voters who formally contest the November 2, 2004, contest the election not only for its irregularities, but also because the evidence shows that a majority of Ohio voters and a majority of American voters voted for John Kerry. We assert that the evidence for this meets, not only the clear and convincing standard of Ohio law for an election contest, but also the "beyond a reasonable doubt" standard of criminal law..."

"...Based upon the evidence, uncontroverted by any sworn testimony whatsoever, if the Ohio litigation challenging the Ohio presidential vote is allowed to proceed, it will promptly establish as a matter of fact that John Kerry won Ohio and Presidency..."

Go, Cliff, Go!


:kick:
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 09:40 AM
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8. Nice to know that I'm not *that* far out in Left...
Edited on Thu Jan-06-05 09:41 AM by hootinholler
When I wrote this:

Senator:

I believe that the Moss V. Bush case before the Ohio Supreme Court has merit. I doubt that your staff will have trouble finding it, but I reviewed a scanned PDF file of the case here: http://freepress.org/images/departments/Election_Contest_2.pdf Please inform me if this is not a true copy. I remind you that there is significant evidence yet to be presented in this case, and that discovery has not yet begun. The filing also mentions problems in five other States, but the Ohio court has no jurisdiction.

The best argument I've found for Congress to stand up on the 6th comes from Bush V Gore in Justice Breyer's dissent <http://supct.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/00-949.ZD3.html>, when speaking as to why the Court should not have heard the case to begin with:
(Emphasis mine)

To the contrary, the Twelfth Amendment commits to Congress the authority and responsibility to count electoral votes. A federal statute, the Electoral Count Act, enacted after the close 1876 Hayes-Tilden Presidential election, specifies that, after States have tried to resolve disputes (through "judicial" or other means), Congress is the body primarily authorized to resolve remaining disputes. See Electoral Count Act of 1887, 24 Stat. 373, 3 U.S.C. § 5 6, and 15.

The legislative history of the Act makes clear its intent to commit the power to resolve such disputes to Congress, rather than the courts:

"The two Houses are, by the Constitution, authorized to make the count of electoral votes. They can only count legal votes, and in doing so must determine, from the best evidence to be had, what are legal votes .... The power to determine rests with the two Houses, and there is no other constitutional tribunal." H. Rep. No. 1638, 49th Cong., 1st Sess., 2 (1886) (report submitted by Rep. Caldwell, Select Committee on the Election of President and Vice-President).

The Member of Congress who introduced the Act added:
"The power to judge of the legality of the votes is a necessary consequent of the power to count. The existence of this power is of absolute necessity to the preservation of the Government. The interests of all the States in their relations to each other in the Federal Union demand that the ultimate tribunal to decide upon the election of President should be a constituent body, in which the States in their federal relationships and the people in their sovereign capacity should be represented." 18 Cong. Rec. 30 (1886)./

The way I read this, there is no requirement of evidence. One could argue that this is a Statutory mandate to contest any electoral slate when a controversy regarding that vote exists. The only requirement is a compelling enough argument. Once a challengeable vote is in fact challenged, each Congressman is Duty Bound by their oath of office to act in judgment of the acceptability of the electoral votes from that state.


Although it appears to be a long held tradition in American politics, I believe that the American people have evolved past the toleration of theft via electioneering, just as they evolved past the holding of slaves, past the denial of franchise to blacks and women, and past segregation. We the people can not continue to tolerate this behavior from our elected officials, and their hired gun staff.

I am writing to remind you that I and thousands of like minded citizens are here watching. Your actions are being documented and that documentation will be available when you seek re-election.

Already documented is the Senate's inaction in 2001 regarding the Florida Presidential election theft. I feel this is partially excusable because the Supreme court did rule on a case concerning the matter, but, that ruling stopped a recount effort that would have shown the fact that Vice-president Gore actually won Florida.

These are the specific public actions by you that I would like to see in the historical record:

1. Publicly declare that that you will delay the acceptance of Electors from any State until court cases concerning those electors are resolved.

2. Support the efforts of U.S. Rep. Conyers and other members of Congress to fully open Congressional investigations into the problems in the 2004 election.

3. Work towards the immediate appointment of a Special Prosecutor to investigate the election irregularities in all states named in Moss V. Bush, and in others as uncovered. Ensure that crimes discovered in that investigation are persued vigorously to the full extent of the law.

I have the utmost confidence in your ability to persuade your colleagues that failure to act on these issues will further undermine the confidence of the American people in their republic. I fear that the best case result of failure to act on these issues will be the genesis of a grass roots effort to reject all incumbents in future elections. The worst case scenario could include widescale riots or an armed defense of the Constitution.

My familial history in America predates the founding of The United States. I have ancestors who participated in the Continental Congress (Arthur StClair) and later, others in the Whiskey Rebellion (James StClair). The roots of patriotism run deep in me. I therefore take this matter very seriously.

Unless I am provided a Gallery pass, I will be outside The Capitol on January 6 to demonstrate my support for your anticipated courageous actions in this matter.

Please keep me informed and let me know how I may assist you in upholding your oath of office.

Faithfully,
<redacted>

-Hoot
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Smoochie Donating Member (65 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 09:45 AM
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9. Well done Hoot! Did you get any replies?
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Twist_U_Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 09:49 AM
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10. wow Hoot.....
You running for any office ?

you got my vote (after we fix the machinces of course)
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sunnystarr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 10:14 AM
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19. A superb job! I'm really impressed. There is sure a great deal
of talent on DU. Makes me feel honored to be able read and post here.
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AnarchoFreeThinker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 09:28 AM
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2. kickers
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IndyPriest Donating Member (685 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 09:29 AM
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3. My man, Cliff! Like a lasrer!
Thanks for putting this up, Twist!
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Twist_U_Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 09:32 AM
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4. my pleasure also on Freepress.......
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 09:36 AM
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5. The closing paragraph says it all.
Because of the importance of this matter, history requires that the Ohio 2004 presidential election votes ultimately be accurately counted. If that happens after an inauguration, then, based upon the evidence at hand, history would record that, for a second time, George W. Bush would have been elected on the basis of an incorrect count of the votes that were actually cast and that, for a second time the Congress certified an inaccurate Presidential election result.
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Smoochie Donating Member (65 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 09:38 AM
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6. It's great to see that someone is not afraid to tell it like it is!
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 10:04 AM
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16. Yeah verily!
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liberalMabhool Donating Member (35 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 09:40 AM
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7. is this a joke or it is real letter.
If it is real this guy should be on the Comedy Channel if he thinks that this letter is going to convince anyone.
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Smoochie Donating Member (65 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 09:50 AM
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11. Where've you been the last few weeks? Of course it's real!
Cliff Arnebeck is co-chair of the Alliance for Democracy - http://www.thealliancefordemocracy.org/
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Twist_U_Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 09:53 AM
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12. It convinced me. n/t
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 10:06 AM
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17. I don't think he seriously believes he's going to convince any Senators
Hence the reason it didn't remain a private letter. This looks entirely intended to have been shared with the public all along. It's a PR piece for his case. And in that respect it certainly doesn't hurt.
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Pithy Cherub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 10:06 AM
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18. Are you lost?
Need some directional assistance?
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roenyc Donating Member (824 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 09:55 AM
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13. one must read the entire letter. its wonderful
absolutely wonderful. hope they take the time to actually read it and take it seriously.
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Smoochie Donating Member (65 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 09:57 AM
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14. I really hope they read the whole thing too ...
It's easy reading even if a little lengthy.
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myschkin Donating Member (488 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 10:03 AM
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15. Great!

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Smoochie Donating Member (65 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 10:21 AM
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20. Cliff Arnebeck's contact details - send him a thank you!
I'm sure he'd appreciate some support in the midst of the negativity he must be bombarded with. I already mailed him.

Cliff Arnebeck 614-326-1442 arnebeck@aol.com

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TruthBeTold22 Donating Member (34 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 10:25 AM
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21. 106,000 Ballots
How do you count 106,000 ballots on which there was no vote for President?
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TexasChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 10:40 AM
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22. Well, smack! n/t
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