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mordarlar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 08:58 AM
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I need opinions on this letter to MSM...Also extra links would be helpful.
Edited on Thu Jan-06-05 09:22 AM by mordarlar
I, like many, have been saddened and dismayed that there has been little or no coverage of election fraud in Ohio and America. What little coverage there has been was reported in a negative and condescending manner at best. What is it? Do our voices not matter? Do only the voices that "go along" count?

I am a longtime resident of the Cleveland area. I LOVE this city. This city was under attack and yet the media feels it is not newsworthy to report even an accurate description of the accusations. The media prefers to take a immoral and biased stance.

I would like to point something out that should have already occurred to you. Fraud means votes were not counted accurately. This means a MUCH larger number of us have felt the sting of this theft. How many more we cannot know, since Judge Moyer will not allow access to the computers. But it is fair to say, in light of the amount of people angered by the happenings in Ohio that a lot of frustrated and active people are holding you accountable for not telling their story.

I have learned that I can find accurate and thorough coverage on the net. You are becoming inconsequential. You have seen the reports I am sure. Blogs have jumped significantly since you sold your journalistic soul to the Devil. And it will continue. If you do not do your job, someone will do it in your absence.

I refuse to do your homework for you. But I will provide you with some things you might want to investigate. Even if it is to simply dispute it factually, instead of spewing Bush talking points of tin hatters and theories. If they are false PROVE IT. I challenge you and welcome the results.

How terribly sad that I have to seek information to provide my news sources. Where are Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein when you need them most.


http://www.flcv.com/fraudpat.html

http://www.verifiedvoting.org/

http://www.flcv.com/EIRSFla.html

http://web.northnet.org/minstrel/columbus.htm

http://www.freepress.org/departments/display/19

http://www.helpamericarecount.org/NewMexicoData/NewMexicoGeneralElection.pdf

http://www.flcv.com/bernalil.html

http://www.flcv.com/orangets.html

http://www.flcv.com/snohomis.html

http://www.flcv.com/mercerco.html
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Bronco69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 09:03 AM
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1. I love this line...
"I refuse to do your homework for you."

That just about says it all! It seems like the corporate media wants to sit back and let someone else bring them things to report. Well, the Rove propaganda machine is more than happy to oblige.
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mordarlar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 09:05 AM
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2. Sad how low they have sunk isn't it?
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Bronco69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 09:12 AM
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5. It sure is.
I remember when I was a kid and every evening my mom and dad would make sure dinner was finished in time for the news. It was real journalism then. Now, whoever the latest pop tart is dating has become the "news." It's pathetic really.
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mstrsplinter326 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 09:08 AM
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3. grammar
I, like many, have been ...

little coverage there *has been has been* (maybe reword?)...

that i* can find (I)...

that i* have to seek...

(Journalism Major checking-in...)
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mordarlar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 09:09 AM
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4. LOL I thank you it is not a strong point of mine.
Edited on Thu Jan-06-05 09:11 AM by mordarlar
Actually if you want to go through a proof read the whole thing i would be very grateful.
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mstrsplinter326 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 09:18 AM
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7. The rest looks good
And, as for it not being a strong suit, I'll get your back, just let me know when you need it. Plus, in my opinion, not knowing the rules of grammar can be beneficial, as pure grammar sounds impersonal.
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mordarlar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 09:19 AM
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8. Thank you. : )
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livvy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 09:17 AM
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6. If they were doing their job....
there wouldn't be just a "few" of us complaining. If they were doing their job, there would be a LOT more people upset, IMO. They aren't doing their part by informing the public of what is going on. Many or most people don't know they aren't doing their job. When those of us who are aware of what's going on try to inform, we usually get pinned as conspiracy nuts.
It's irritating as hell, disgraceful, and disgusting!
I have no plans to give up my day job, but I also don't plan on giving up passing along the real news, either.
Besides, I look good in hats, tinfoil or whatever! :tinfoilhat:
Good letter!



What are they hiding????:think:
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m.standridge Donating Member (269 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 09:30 AM
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9. rating the various media outlets
on the whole election coverage, and then on the subsequent election investigations, recounts, court cases and congressional activity.
Election:
CBS seemed, to me, to be the only network not to "call" Ohio until Kerry did. Their internet screen kept Ohio, Nevada and New Mexico as "white" states until about 1:30 a.m. 11/3, when NV was finally called for Bush. Kerry himself conceded Ohio on Nov. 3, at which point CBS "called" it, too. Then, NM remained in white until some days later. But at some point, before any recount, CBS did call NM.

Post-election:
NBC was pretty good, relatively, if you call that good. MSNBC.
Last time--2000--Tim Russert was pretty interesting on election night, with his little hand-written cardboard thing showing how it could pan out in the Electoral College. I kept hoping to hear more from Russert this time. About the only thing, was back before the election, Russert kept predicting "last time, it was Florida, Florida, Florida. This time it's going to be Ohio, Ohio, Ohio." But the closer it got to the actual election, and after, the less he said.

CNN has had individual "moments" as to coverage both before, during and after the election. The CNN screens seem to be the best hope of having some raw election poll data in the hours after the MSM had taken down the original data and replaced it with "adjusted" data. The one found in the New Zealand "Scoop" website a few days ago, could be very powerful in proving the claim that the exit polls were at a wide variance with the election figures. I believe the latter could be influential on Senators, who may want something solid to encourage them to back the Congressional Electoral challenge.

I won't go into what I think about ABC.

As for Fox, them either.

In short, CBS, NBC and CNN were the only media outlets that were approaching responsible jouralism at any point.

Speaking of responsible journalism:
another place to write, would be the Society of Professional Journalists, as to the quality of media coverage.
Wish I could catch this today at 1 pm but I've gotta work.
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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 09:49 AM
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10. I am in SW Ohio and here is what I wrote, based on personal observations
Democracy means being allowed to vote. When voter suppression is used
by any party to secure a victory, then our democracy has been thwarted. The minority vote suppression tactics of people who hoped to secure the election of George Bush in Ohio must be investigated and prosecuted.

In addition a combination of ballot box stuffing and tabulation fraud
has occured in the state of Ohio. Citizens such as myself and others
have personally witnessed missing signatures in roster books, chain of custody violations of ballots, nonrandom selection of precincts to be recounted, and tampering with voting equipment.

I live in Hamilton County. The counties surrounding Hamilton, Butler,
Warren and Clermont are considered to be reliably GOP counties. However reliably GOP these counties are, as you know, no county is 100% GOP.

As you may have heard Warren County, Ohio prevented independent
observers and the media from watching the vote tally on election night by citing an unconfirmed Homeland Security threat. Subsequent
investigation by the Cincinnati Enquirer determined that the lock out was planned in a closed door meeting on Oct. 25, of which the press was not informed.

http://www.enquirer.com/editions/2004/11/05/loc_warrenvote05.html
http://www.enquirer.com/editions/2004/11/10/loc_warrenvote10.html

In 2000 the Gore campaign pulled out of Ohio. In 2004 the Kerry
campaign and other groups such as ACT and MoveOn were extremely active in Ohio, including reliably GOP counties like Butler, Warren and Clermont. Kerry campaign voluteer *** **** of Warren County has stated that democratic GOTV efforts were unprecedented and amazing in 04. Yet we are expected to believe that Kerry did no better than Gore did in 2000.

Statistical anomalies in these Southwestern Ohio counties indicate that something is not right about these results.

The Supreme Court Justice race was between Thomas Moyer (R) and an
African American female municipal judge from Cleveland named C. Ellen
Connaly. She was so underfunded I saw not a single commercial or yard
sign, and I live in a democratic precinct. The GOP candidate however
did have yard signs all over Butler, Warren and Clermont county AND was endorsed by the Cincinnati Enquirer:
http://www.enquirer.com/editions/2004/10/27/editorial_ed1b.html

Yet C. Ellen Connaly a retired African American municipal court judge
from Cleveland got substantially more votes than Kerry in a down ticket race in areas where voting a straight GOP ticket is the norm for a certain percentage of people in those counties. I do not believe that Bush voters accidentally voted for a democratic judge from Cleveland because they could not remember the name of the incumbent GOP judge.

Add to that the lockdown of the vote tabulation in Warren County due to a Homeland security threat that Homeland Security and the FBI have denied and a podunkville county like Warren completing their tabulation so late that Cuyahoga, a county of 1 million people got their tallies in before Warren.

Mama didn't raise no fool. Bush did not get 71% in Warren County. And
probaly did not do as well as they claim in Butler, Clermont and
Hamilton County.

Suppression, tabulation fraud and ballot box stuffing is not acceptable in America.
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beammeup Donating Member (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 09:54 AM
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11. Hit them where it hurts- cancel your subscription!
The media are not printing letters like yours, although it can't hurt to send it (I've sent a few myself). I've been searching (online) for letters like this in the Boston Globe since the election- they must be throwing them away.

I no longer subscribe to the Globe because of their articles dismissing election fraud as "conspiracy theories", and I encourage any other MSM subscribers to cancel. And when you write to cancel, let them know why.

Also, you might end the last sentence with a question mark.
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