CSPAN just cut to the House - Live - Electoral College

[burythehatchet]

Let's get it on!!

[Justitia]

1. Unfortunately they cut into Kennedy boxing Gonz about the ears

to this insipid prayer!

[goodboy]

2. which c-span...I'm watching c-span 2 streaming, and I see Dayton

[burythehatchet]

3. main CSPAN for me

[katinmn]

4. Pitts- what a bum. Ohh--Here's Kucinich!

[WilliamPitt]

5. 'Scuse me?

:)

[berner59]

7. Hayworth...

woah what an A-hole!!!!! I want to kick my TV in right now!!! He's talking conspiracy therioes and other shit!!

[Catamount]

12. Hi William! The spin is on now!

We're all a bunch of sore losers!

[katinmn]

17. Sorry, REPRESENTATIVE Pitt.

I only have warm thoughts of you.

:hug:

[cyberpj]

6. Hayworth - what a jerk!

sounds like a disgruntled actor wannabe

[cyberpj]

9. calling it a BOXER REBELLION

[burythehatchet]

8. ah..JD Heywouldyablome sharing some wisdom

[Coexist]

11. I love that the term "sore losers" keeps coming up

This is great. The repubs can't talk about anything else!!

[No Exit]

19. "Sore losers"--that's so used up.... all I can say is

"Fool me once, shame on.......................



you... Fool me twice...........................


you can't get fooled again!!!"

I'm not buying that old, used-up, "sore loser" crap! GO BOXER! GO CONYERS!

[bj2110]

10. Wow.. squirm much? Framing it as "Conspiracy Theories" & "Sore Losers" nt

[Coexist]

14. Now Foley is talking about the election - they are obsessed!

I smell desperation!!!

[BarbinMD]

16. Foley starts with lies...

...about 2000. Asshole.

[berner59]

15. why only repubs???

Where are the Dems????

[Justitia]

20. Our frame: J'Accuse!!!

[mountainvue]

13. Crawl on CSPAN says Boxer signs challenge! n/t

[Coexist]

18. Foley just plugged Fox news - ugh

[Ian David]

21. Gonzales: Use of torture was right, Consistent with American values

"winning the hearts and minds of the arab world... you have hurt that... undermine military culture.. violating geneva convention...

did you ever consider the impact this could have on winning the hearts and minds of the arab world.

Would you do the same thing to again.

GONZALES SAYS IT WAS ABSOLUTELY THE RIGHT TING FOR SO MANY REASONS:

1- DISHONORS THE GENEVA CONVENTION
2- REWARDS BAD ACTION
3- HELPS US PROTECT OURSELVES

MAKES ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE

CONTRARY TO DECADES OF PRESIDENTIAL PRIVILEGE

The US andmany other countries never ratified granting POW legal status to terrorists.

WE WON'T DO THAT. IT HURTS OUR SOLDIERS.

PRESIDENT DID THE RIGHT THING!!!

"We do not treat people inconsistent with our American values."

EXCUSE ME!!!!!!!

"We do not treat people inconsistent with our American values."

[Ian David]

22. Were these atrocities low-level decisions...

or did they come from above?

"We don't know. We're investigating soldiers."

Torture as policy is different from the abuses in the pictures.

The ones we see in the pictures those do not relate to policy and interrogation.

THIS IS SIMPLY PEOPLE WHO WERE MORALLY BANKRUPT HAVING FUN AND I DO NOT CONDONE THAT.

The bad behavior migrated from one facility to another, because there was some "confusion" about appropriate behavior.

Abuse was not because of policy, but because we had a prison understafded, undersupported, undersupervised, under trained.

("That would seem like people above responsible will not be prosecuted. I think the american people by and large, gonzales, believe the people should be held accountable ABOVE THE LEVEL OF THOSE THAT COMMITTED THE ACTION).

Gonzales agrees.

There was failure of leadership above at the supervisors, failure of training at commander and sargeant.

"do you believe we never should have used torture?"

SELF-CONTRADICTION: GONZALES SAYS AMERICA HAS NEVER HAD A POLICY OF TORTURE! (SEE MY PREVIOUS POST).

[Ian David]

23. Republican Lindsey Graham

Republican Lindsey Graham:

You have undermined the war on terror.

Abu Grahib has become a stick for the rest of the world to beat us with.

Part of my job in the military was to explain military law.

You are to follow it because it is there to protect you.

I agree with you gonzales that giving geneva protection to terrorists would legitimize the terrorists and undermine the convention.

to those who think that taking torture of the table is a sign of weakness.

powell has been in combat. i think you weaken yourself as a nation when you become more like your enemy.

i disagree with secty powell.

now having said that, the justice dept memo was entirely wrong in its focus because it EXCLUDED ANOTHER CODE OF LAW CALLED THE UNIFORM RULES OF MILITARY CONDUCT.

Those classified memos say if you go down the road suggested you will lose our identity as a nation.

this memo put our military in jeopardy BECAUSE THE UNIFORM CODE FORBIDS ABUSING A PRISONER.

It shows our troops they have an obligation to follow the law.

I want you to comment and defend your actions

[Ian David]

24. Gonzales: I disagree

We are nothing like our enemy.

Daniel Pearl...

(I am not saying we are like our enemy, but we are not who we want to be. we are losing our moral highground. once you start down this road... my challengeb to you is leading without losing our legitimacy. Guantanomo is a chaos. Humanity is not inconsistent with winning the war...)

With Guantanomo, the supreme court disagreed with policy. I believe an enemy combatant held outside us territory is not guaranteed due process.

Secretary England has responsibility for tribunals "substantial opportunity to refute charges."

(WHat is the executive dept doing to reconcile the court and your policy? I'll vote for you. My problem is the DOJ memo was out there for 2 years, but I'd like to get you to comment if you could, do you beliebe that a professional lawyer's oppinion that violating the military code of justice may put our troops in jeopardy?)

VERY LONG PAUSE BY GONZALES.

(You don't need to answer that right now.)

HE LET HIM OFF THE HOOK!!!!!