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IdaBriggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 05:55 PM
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Trying To Save the World Today (Nader & My Story of the Day)
I put together an analysis of the New Hampshire voting data comparing 2000 and 2004 results; you can read it all at this webpage (if you really want to): http://www.invisibleida.com/New_Hampshire.htm

The bottom line is that, even though we won New Hampshire, the numbers don't add up the way they ought to (should have been a wider margin), and most of the discrepancies appear to occur in the largest precincts where one particular type of machine is used to count ballots: the Diebold AccuVote.

I'm a computer person by trade, and spent eight years of my career doing statistics for a major telecommunication company; trust me when I say these numbers DO NOT MAKE SENSE unless small, rural New Hampshirites suddenly decided to go more "liberal" than their big city neighbors. I've been in contact with several other folks who've been running the numbers for other states (Florida & Ohio in particular), and they are finding the same anomaly. I am not saying it was "stolen" -- I'm saying, as a computer person, we occasionally make mistakes, and one misplaced comma can sometimes mess things up, or reversing a TRUE/FALSE state, or an IF/THEN/ELSE statement. We geeks are human, and mistakes happen.

For the last two days I have been BEGGING for a manual recount. New Hampshire has a paper trail, and the easiest way to determine if a discrepancy exists is to compare RAW DATA (via manual hand recounts) with REPORTED DATA. This is NOT brain surgery, but I may need some myself after banging my head on walls for the last two days.

I was told the process would only cost $1000 and a signature from John Kerry. I have played the "Kevin Bacon" game for the last two days trying to reach either him or someone in his campaign so that I could get John Kerry to sign the damn paperwork so we could bring some accountability into the system; if the machines are doing funky things in one state, odds are pretty good they are probably doing the same thing in OTHER states. Choosing a state Kerry won was (I thought) a safe bet, plus New Hampshire is a reasonable state with a history of Integrity (despite anecdotal stories of this same problem occurring in both the 2002 election, and the primaries).

The Kerry folks refused to budge; no one could "find" John Kerry, and the deadline was fast approaching. At 5:00 p.m., the statute would lock away the paper ballots for good.

So, I asked the Nader folks for help. I told them the "dream thing" would be to recount ALL 34 states he was in, and they were willing to discuss it. They were understandably cautious about the political fallout, but another contact came through with the financing, and it looked like it was going to happen. I got several other people involved in this project with a guy named Tiki (who is awesome!) coordinating it with another DU'er so we knew the standards for each state, and received rapturous responses to my "want to help audit the numbers for 34 states?" request to the folks who have been involved in securing our vote for longer than I've been aware. It was looking good, and I was flying high. Screw John Kerry; if he was playing AWOL, then RALPH NADER could save the world.

The multiple levels of irony did not escape me.

And then everything fell apart in the last half hour. I couldn't get a hold of my "boots on the ground" on time to get to the right place with a check, which had now gone from $1000 total to $2000 + all expenses associated with recounting ($30K-$40K), and the financing backed out when the cost skyrocketed, and the deadline passed. But at least the Nader folks faxed over a (non-binding) request for a recount. :)

So, the next step is to investigate the other 33 states where Nader was on the ballot, and see if the numbers are as funky there as they were in New Hampshire. Each state has different rules governing whether or not an audit can be conducted, and it appears that the margin of error may push the ballots outside of that number. Maybe an appeal to the Federal Elections Commission? Not sure.

But I haven't slept in two days, and I'm tired. My hope was that demonstrating potential voter fraud in New Hampshire would trigger a NATIONWIDE recount, and I'll admit my fondest fantasies included a Kerry presidency and some well salted crow for *. I also would virtuously remind myself there was a chance the numbers were accurate, in which case this exercise would help me to heal and move on from the perception that the election was "stolen" instead of "won fairly", and meanwhile, the whole process would help insure the integrity of the election system. But, as soon as the clock struck 5:00 p.m., it looks like New Hampshire went bye-bye, unless something can be done about it....

So, say something nice to me, my friends. I'm feeling a little discouraged and beat down, and I could sure use some kind words from like minded people....oh, and some volunteer offers and promises of cash to fund any recount efforts would be appreciated, too. Seems a few of the big fund raising groups out there won't help challenge the votes if Nader is the one signing the request forms, and Kerry can't be found....
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kikiek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 05:58 PM
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1. Thank you Ida for all you're doing. In addition to your time it takes a
lot of emotional energy that we are all low on right now. You're very special to do it anyways.
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 06:00 PM
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2. I don't remember:
Who are the NH congresscritters? Any dems?
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IdaBriggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 06:11 PM
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4. Republicans. And my local folks weren't able to help, either.
I even called Hillary's office, e-mailed her and Carville, contacted Bill Clinton's office, the DNC -- you name it, I tried it! :(
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deek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 06:02 PM
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3. thank you
life is already hard enough

damn * has made it harder still................
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mbee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 06:17 PM
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5. Thanks for all you are doing and keep your
chin up!
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PoiBoy Donating Member (842 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 06:18 PM
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6. You are AWESOME!!!
..thank you for the herculean effort... I'm stunned by the fact that there was no response from any of the major players on our side in this... Kerry being AWOL... WTF???

once again, a big Mahalo, thank you for the effort, get some rest and please keep us posted... :hi:


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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 06:20 PM
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7. Thank you for going after this, IdaBriggs....
:grouphug: You're a top-notch DUer!! :grouphug:

I, too, am appalled by the Kerry team: We contributed SEPARATE DONATIONS SPECIFICALLY for the Kerry legal team. So, that's MY HARD EARNED MONEY I gave to the guys sitting on their butts, doing not one damned thing to save our Democracy. Phuck every one of them!!!

All I can say is, Rove must have a picture of John Kerry (sexually)mounting a goat in the Senate Office restroom, while fondling Katherine Harris's breasts. There can be NO OTHER EXCUSE for Kerry just walking away. This wasn't Kerry's election to lose!! It was OUR election, that we TRUSTED him with!!

For all of Kerry's lack of interest in the computerized voting fraud that gave our government over to a mad man, and his equally crazed neocon cultist regime in congress, you'd think Kerry thinks he was the only one who's done any HARD WORK on this campaign.

If Ralph Nader pulls through on calling for the recounts across the nation, which COULD eventually expose the fraud that has been perpetuated on our Democracy, I will take back all the nasty things I've ever said about him. He might just end up being the REAL "statesman" that this country so desperately needs right now.

But at this point, if the election WAS turned around, and Kerry is found to have been the winner, I'm not sure I'd think any more of him than I do right now. He's proven he's NOT a "leader". He's a quitter. And I'm damned well pissed that I was suckered. I believed in him.

:kick::kick:

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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 06:24 PM
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8. you rock!
:yourock:


Too bad we don't get more time for these things...


Ralph Nader could get himself elected over something like this.... :shrug:
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FormerOstrich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 06:25 PM
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9. I cannot tell you how much respect and admiration I have for you
I am Software person, too. I've been crunching the Florida numbers. I turned them over to some other Florida number crunchers because I had ran out of time to work on it (after investing much more than is wise at this juncture). Hopefully, I can pick it back up this weekend.

I didn't see your post for help or I would have joined you. I did see a post that you were trying to contact people but there wasn't any detail. I tried to find that post again and couldn't so I let it go. For that I am very sorry as I think it would have been a better use of my time helping you. Teams are better.

It's probably too late but can a judge overrule the time limit in New Hampshire? If not, I'll help every way I can that your effort was not in vain. We can use it as a basis for showing the necessity for reforming our elections.

I was always disappointed that Gore didn't make it his crusade. If I were him I believe I would have. As I watched Edwards speak I had hope that maybe he would be the one. However, with his wife's cancer I can't fault him if it doesn't happen.

Thank you to Nader for being willing to help. You get some rest because I think you have started something huge. It's not easy to make history.

Please e-mail me if you want me on your team.
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Carl Brennan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 06:49 PM
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10. Don't be so hard on Kerry he may
just be laying low so he doesn't look like "sore loser" trying to get back at the "winner".
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Silver Gaia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 06:51 PM
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12. I agree, Carl...
I think/HOPE that there is more going on here than meets the eye.
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Silver Gaia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 06:49 PM
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11. I don't have access to a FAX macine... dammit
but I just emailed Ralph about this. It was the best I could do. Do this, Ralph, and you redeem yourself in my eyes!

Did the time pass? Is it too late? Does anyone have any NEWS on this??? Randi Rhodes is talking about this on air as if it is ACTIVE and not a passed opportunity. So, what gives? I could use an update real BAD. I'm sooo tired of being on a roller coaster ride the past few days. I desperately NEED something/anything SOLID to cling to.

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Silver Gaia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 07:53 PM
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17. P.S. - IdaBriggs... THANK YOU!
you are my hero right now. Sorry I didn't say that in my initial post about this. I meant to. I contributed $$ to Bev Harris, and I emailed Ralph, and am going to get with a friend tonight with a FAX and get my signature, and those of my husband and daughter to Ralph.

I've also passed this on to other forums and by email. I don't know what else to do right now, but at least this is something POSITIVE.

THANK YOU for all you've done here!
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Oak2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 07:03 PM
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13. I'm sorry it didn't work out
But I'm still working, and others are working, and we're not giving up. Not now, not ever.

Bush is not the president -- never was, never will be.
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RobertDevereaux Donating Member (640 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 07:08 PM
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14. Important kick!
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 07:22 PM
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15. I don't know when I've been more inspired.
You are incredible in your dedication to this country. I salute you. Here I am moving my belongings to my next home, and you are frantically running around doing the work. The work that I never thought of doing. I am distraught that there is uncertainty in this election. That is not an insignificant thing. I don't know who won or lost. Not really. Maybe it was fair, maybe not. But you took responsibility on your own shoulders. I can think of nothing that would change the world for the better, right now, than what you have tried to do.

If only there is a chance that this can still be done, somehow.

You deserve the medal of honor.

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jjanpundt Donating Member (284 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 07:51 PM
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16. Thank you! What an incredible effort!
Truly outstanding work! I'm awestruck! :hug:
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Birthday Donating Member (224 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 08:30 PM
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18. Thanks a million, Ida!!
Does it seem strange to anyone out there that it takes little people like us to try to make something happen? Doesn't it feel very wierd that people who have a lot of power are absolutely SILENT on the subject of voter fraud???? To me, it sort of feels like we have stepped into a world where everyone else knows something that we don't know; that we are being watched; kind of like an early scene in a Star Trek episode. I don't mean to sound paranoid at all. It just feels terribly strange that there seems to be something completely screwed up in the government of the most powerful nation on earth, and no one is discussing it except a bunch of disgruntled Democrats online. This thing needs to be BLOWN SKY HIGH!!! Everyone needs to be talking about it; everyone has to be made to care that the integrity of the heart of our democracy is disappearing. HELLO?!!! Is anyone out there? Is anyone listening? Are DUers the only living people now?
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InvisibleTouch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 08:44 PM
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19. Amazing work - thanks so much!
Even if the deadline has officially passed, it sounds like you've gotten something rolling. Maybe like a snowball starting down a mountainside to become a- okay, I won't use the word. Let's say, to become a bigger snowball. ;)

I can't figure out the silence from the big-name Dems either. I still want to believe in them, but it may be up to people like you ... and us. Get some rest tonight, and tomorrow we go back into the fray. It is indeed about nothing less than saving the world.
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Lostnote03 Donating Member (850 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 08:56 PM
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20. Thank You for the positive vibe....
....Maybe it was just enough to alert the sleeping Eagle....In any case hopefully the issues surrounding exit polls will alert localities to be suspect....
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Joefess Donating Member (150 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 08:59 PM
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21. WOW Thank you
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 09:47 PM
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22. There is no process for appeal in New Hampshire?
There must be a way to file a request past the deadline.

What is David Boies getting paid for, BTW?

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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 09:59 PM
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23. Maybe if Boies was already compensated
We demand that he work for US.

Where IS the money contributed for the legal defense fund?

Let's demand an accounting from the Kerry campaign and the DNC.
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-04 10:46 PM
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24. Ida, YOU, my dear, are magnificent. A true heroine.
Bless your heart. I'm so glad that Ralph came through -- and that this just might happen.

You go, girl!
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Cookie wookie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 01:33 AM
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25. IdaBriggs, you are a Shero!!!
Thank you from the bottom of my heart and for all those who will benefit from what you have done, or if it doesn't fly, will nevertheless be made better because people like you are around behind the scenes to fight for them.

I've just posted about this elsewhere, but are you working with BBV, since Andy Stephenson and Bev Harris got Randi Rhodes of Air America to raise money for them today and asked her to get people to fax Nader to ask him to request a recount?

Please keep us posted on the money needs. From what I could see at the Air America blog, funds were pouring in to BBV, so if that's meant for your recount you may already have what you need. If not, let us know. I know that I've been financially squeezed into a pancake from giving to everyone for this election, but this is too important to let it go because of money. We have to do it.

Also, glad I read your thread, because I only heard about this from the Rhodes show and your explanation of why New Hampshire makes good sense to me now.

Get some well-earned rest!
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IdaBriggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 01:47 AM
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27. Yes, I talked to Andy & Others today also.
Edited on Sat Nov-06-04 01:47 AM by IdaBriggs
And don't forget the folks at the "National Ballot Initiative Project" without whom this wouldn't be happening! It looks like we've got a team happening. :)
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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 02:39 PM
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46. i m going to double my contribution to black box and plese let me know
if theres more i can do for you and BBV.
thank you ida, you rock!!!
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illuminaughty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 01:37 AM
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26. This is the kind of inspiration we need
It is admirable work. I think there is more going on behind the scenes than we suspect. And with all the dirty tricks that have occured, you have to know the Kerry campaign is going to approach anything with caution.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 01:51 AM
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28. It would be amusing if Republican desire to get Nader on ballots bit them
in the ass.
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high density Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 02:13 AM
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29. Thanks for all of your work!
Your effort is so much appreciated.

It's really sad that nobody in the Kerry campaign was willing to work with you or pony up $50k to fund this recount. After the millions of dollars spent in advertising, and probably thousands spent on decoy "Kerry/Gephardt" signs in July, it's too bad that this recount couldn't happen because of the cost.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 07:19 AM
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30. Appreciate the intent...not so sure it's the right method. spokesperson
But I'd be very happy to be proven wrong - in fact I promise I'll publicly eat crow if something good comes out of it.
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IdaBriggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 09:35 AM
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32. Thank you for the offer, but I have a better idea --
How about if you find some special seasoning to add to Bush's dish? :evilgrin:
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cybildisobedience Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 08:48 AM
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31. Thank you and please, don't give up.....
I think it's not an exaggeration to say that the very future of democracy depends on this.
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 10:45 AM
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33. Thank you, Ida...We didn't lose..we were robbed again!! n/t
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flygal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 10:45 AM
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34. Kick
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Ithuilwen Donating Member (313 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 10:45 AM
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35. kick! nt
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billie_ Donating Member (617 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 10:49 AM
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36. Ida, you & Bev Harris are the heroes (sheroes) come to save Democracy!
we are with you ... let's keep up the good fight!
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2Design Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 10:52 AM
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37. kicking to the top
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whirlygigspin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 01:09 PM
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38. Ida Briggs, your great
Saturday, Nov. 6, 2004

According to today's Nashuatelegraph, Nader can appeal the decision to the state Ballot Law Commission.

http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20041106/NEWS02/111060040/-1/news

As for money, Randi Rhodes is more than willing, it seems to ask people to chip in, she did for Bev Harris on Friday and their system crashed because so many went over to their site.

I couldn't reach anyone in Nader's office this morning, will try later.
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nofanofbush Donating Member (165 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 01:19 PM
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39. Great effort...
don't have much money but I'll give some if needed.
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 01:20 PM
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40. IF even a small remnant of democracy survives in this country after
this fiasco, it will be because of people like you. You and people like you are true 'patriots' and we all owe you a big thank you from the bottom of our hearts.
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mhr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 01:22 PM
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41. Thank You, Thank You, Thank You, For All Your Efforts!
eom
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 01:51 PM
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42. ida, thank you for caring so much about our country.
You have given me hope and inspiration.

We need to know that our vote in inviolable. If it isn't, then all is lost.
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Obviousman Donating Member (927 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 02:04 PM
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43. kick
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 02:11 PM
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44. What about Cobb or Badnarik?
Do we have to work through Nader?
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TeeYiYi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 02:26 PM
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45. I have been so impressed by your passion . . .
. . ., something I seem to have misplaced since the election. (Passion for politics that is. Passion and the desire to keep working for change in a state that is so red it bleeds.) I was so encouraged to see your post on Nader saving the world last night. And today, I was gently surprised to see that your posts are still active. I, for one, appreciate what you are trying to do. I am grateful that there are people out there like you who are willing to continue to fight for what we all know is the right thing. Something that we've all seen coming for the past 3+ years. And why the democrats were unable to get hold of the electronic vote fraud scam in time for the 2004 election is beyond me. I almost don't dare to speculate. So it is with people like you and Bev Harris that I place my faith in the democratic process and the future of this country. That you have the energy and the spirit to keep working for what's right is courageous and I applaud your efforts. Keep trying. I have a hero in Bev Harris and I see one in you.

TYY
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sandboxface Donating Member (337 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 06:30 PM
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47. Kick Ass!!!
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 06:49 PM
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48. Where is Soros just now? Or Michael Moore? They have the $$$
Edited on Sat Nov-06-04 06:49 PM by GreenPartyVoter
to help this out.

-----------------------------------------------------------
Ask Cobb, Nader, and Badnarik to pursue recounts!
http://www.geocities.com/greenpartyvoter/electionreform.htm
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 07:39 PM
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49. You rock!
I read a newspaper article today that said this COULD be appealed to NH.

http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20041106/NEWS02/111060040/-1/news

I have PM'ed you re: funding. You have my number, call me.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 08:49 PM
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50. A lot of wealthy Dems are out there; if any of them is reading this
Please donate to this matter. People like me are tapped out, I gave my last $50 to the GELAC fund for Kerry's legal eagles with the understanding he would not concede.

Michael Moore, how about taking some of your profits from Farenheit 9/11 and doing something to save democracy instead of pointing out how flawed it's been under bush?



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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-04 09:13 PM
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51. Excellent work, IdaBriggs.
:yourock:

I can't tell you how much I appreciate all you've done. :hug:
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