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Thu Jan-06-05 02:39 PM
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OFFICIAL HOUSE DEBATE THREAD #2 |
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Please continue discussion here.
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Thu Jan-06-05 02:41 PM
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1. For those in the Cubes |
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.. "This is not a black-white issue, this is a red, white & blue issue"
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Thu Jan-06-05 02:41 PM
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2. Finally some common sense from MD Cummings! |
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Thu Jan-06-05 02:42 PM
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"unequal protection of the right to vote"
"computers that can be hacked"
"end the blackout and shine the light on our precious right to vote"
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Thu Jan-06-05 02:45 PM
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4. Get ready for LTE tonight! |
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We are going to have to follow this up with a LOT of letters to the editors to make sure the message that this is about voting integrity and democracy, not about being sore losers.
Bush – pres secty on MSNBC talking about “conspiracy theories” in discussing the debate.
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Thu Jan-06-05 02:50 PM
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16. Our elected officials are speaking and they are covering a PR flack |
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MSM is a joke. Don't even think of them as news anymore. Entertainment is all.
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Thu Jan-06-05 02:45 PM
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Did this guy just say this undermines the war on terra? David Dreier - California
edit - asy=say
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Thu Jan-06-05 02:45 PM
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6. David Dreier's up - what a moran |
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"Dayton Daily News" is sometimes called something else? :wtf:
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Thu Jan-06-05 02:46 PM
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7. Dreier - R California -- No evidence whatsoever to suggest |
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that results are anything but legitimate.
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Thu Jan-06-05 02:47 PM
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10. he is a freaking liar and CA should get rid of him |
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Thu Jan-06-05 02:47 PM
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12. "Sowing the seeds of doubt" |
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Sounds like a Tears for Fears song.
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Thu Jan-06-05 02:46 PM
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8. "There is no evidence whatsoever" of voter fraud - Dreier |
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He lied through his teeth and winked at Karl Rove...
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Thu Jan-06-05 02:47 PM
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"Respectfull suggest what makes our system great is our ability to accept leg. results of election...no evidence to suggest election was anything but legitimate."
"I lost my first election in 1978...losing an election is disappointing...moving forward just as inportant...sowing seeds of doubt about a leg. decided election...threatens...democracy."
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Thu Jan-06-05 02:50 PM
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Dreir is a self loathing closet case |
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ugh . . .
It's amazing to watch this - the Repubs talk about how there are no real problems in Ohio - not supporting the President - not working together
The Democrats talk about the many questions that are posed - why Blackwell didn't respond to Conyers - why questions are unanswered.
I love the "Democrats are sewing seeds of doubt" . . .
I think this is all great. I doubt Rove, Blackwell and company every dreamed this would go this far.
Thanks to all the bloggers which pushed this issue!!
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Thu Jan-06-05 02:47 PM
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"we are amongst a global war on terror"
"no evidence that claims are valid"
"it is true that no election is perfect"
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Thu Jan-06-05 02:50 PM
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15. Then why the hell are we so concerned about Ukraine |
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Thu Jan-06-05 02:47 PM
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13. This objection is without merit? oh the spin..... eom |
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Thu Jan-06-05 02:50 PM
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14. Jesse Jackson, Jr. - DAMN!!! |
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He just laid it out - no Federal right to vote. Whoa.
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Thu Jan-06-05 02:52 PM
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18. "citzenship right to vote" JJ Jr. |
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Thu Jan-06-05 02:53 PM
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20. JOHN LEWIS ON NOW! n/t |
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Thu Jan-06-05 02:52 PM
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17. Go Jesse Jackson JR!!! |
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Thu Jan-06-05 02:53 PM
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21. John Lewis Dem Georgia---there is something wrong with our democracy |
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Thu Jan-06-05 02:55 PM
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24. "diminishes" the House (this debate). Repug LA Jingal--he is an |
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immigarnt himself. Even CBS news has acknowledged that Bush won he says.
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Thu Jan-06-05 02:56 PM
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29. bringing up several editorial pages--"not a good day for the our country" |
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Thu Jan-06-05 03:07 PM
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59. What a moron he looked like. CBS? So now CBS determines our elections? |
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Thu Jan-06-05 03:06 PM
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55. He was GREAT! "People have DIED for the right to vote!" -eom |
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Thu Jan-06-05 02:52 PM
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19. Jesse Jackson Jr D-IL |
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"election system broken and needs to be fixed"
"why do we keep having problems?"
"different rules different states"
"american people are losing confidence"
"unitary system"
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Thu Jan-06-05 03:09 PM
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63. He made a fantastic argument. Concrete points, very well presented. |
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I think he laid out a helluva agenda on how to start correcting this.
Kudos Mr. Jackson, you make your constituents proud.
I sure hope somebody was taking notes.
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Thu Jan-06-05 02:54 PM
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"right for every vote to be counted must be upheld"
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Thu Jan-06-05 02:54 PM
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23. how can you ask us to stop, when people have died for the right to vote... |
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Thu Jan-06-05 02:55 PM
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25. Jindal - What a toad! |
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Thu Jan-06-05 02:59 PM
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35. Jindal said something like "this doesn't bring honor on those objecting" |
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...when I've never seen such lack of honor as I've seen among these shameful betrayers of democracy. I used to respect the opinions of honest Republicans even though I disagreed with them. I no longer have a shred of respect for Republicans who think this is a respectable way to uphold our democracy.
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Thu Jan-06-05 02:55 PM
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I wish he coulda talked longer!
Then you got some asshole mushmouth Repub after him, Bobby Jindal, R-LA. He thinks the debate "diminishes" the house.
"Even CBS News" acknowledges Bush won?!?
Nice try, Bobby Jindal.
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Thu Jan-06-05 02:56 PM
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Ashamed that his first day is being ruined by Democratic challenge. "even CBS news says * won." Jerk.
edit: OMG! He just mentioned OH editorial pages. Is that all they read?
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Thu Jan-06-05 02:56 PM
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28. Bobby Jindal: This is the only place we are still disputing this election |
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Thu Jan-06-05 02:58 PM
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31. Tiberi-Repug OHIO--"conspiracy theorists" some editorial but of |
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course he did not not say that-someone else said that. pukey guy
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Thu Jan-06-05 02:59 PM
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34. said "the horse is Dead" |
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Thu Jan-06-05 03:00 PM
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37. now Woolsey Dem. Calif--voter intimination-it is a violation to our |
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democracy! we are losing lives in Irag to democracy goals yet we can not get it right here at home! good for her.
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Thu Jan-06-05 03:01 PM
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40. "we can't get if right here in the USA" yet we lose lives in Iraq for demo |
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Thu Jan-06-05 02:57 PM
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30. Do repubs understand what an "editorial" is? n/t |
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Thu Jan-06-05 03:00 PM
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They are spouting opinion as fact. Why does no one just say that! make them back up those "facts"
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Thu Jan-06-05 03:04 PM
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47. OK Time for some Democrats to buy up some newspapers! |
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If all the Repugs have to do to win their point is read what the repug editorials have to say in the repug papers, we need to write some of our own editorials in our own papers ... if only truth and justice were that easy to come by!!
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Thu Jan-06-05 02:58 PM
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32. DemocratIC Party, you Ohio prick. |
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Thu Jan-06-05 03:14 PM
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83. They're proud of making themselves look STUPID |
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Thu Jan-06-05 02:58 PM
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33. Tiberi -- "Not one board member..."? |
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Thu Jan-06-05 03:00 PM
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Thu Jan-06-05 03:01 PM
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"2nd election in a row"
"this time it must be different"
"time to investigate"
"about citizen's right"
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Thu Jan-06-05 03:02 PM
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42. Dem Owens-need national standards--voters suppressed etc |
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Thu Jan-06-05 03:01 PM
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41. Some one, please yell, "FRAUD" |
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someone should yell this to respond to the repukes pitiful remarks.
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Thu Jan-06-05 03:03 PM
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45. Sheila Jackson-Lee D. Tx-this is a sacred debate -not frivulous!! go |
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Thu Jan-06-05 03:08 PM
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62. who is this asshole? mm side? kerry side? |
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aahh florida... i get it now
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Thu Jan-06-05 03:09 PM
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70. posted to wrong thread...belongs to main thread sorry |
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Thu Jan-06-05 03:02 PM
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43. Thank GOD for THESE Democrats... |
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Edited on Thu Jan-06-05 03:03 PM by jsascj
And I mean that literally.
Maybe nothing will change this election result this year but thank God, Someone, someone is willing to put themselves on the line for what is right and good and just.
Sorry, just became overwhelmed with awe.
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Thu Jan-06-05 03:02 PM
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"dirty tricks immediately made federal crimes"
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Thu Jan-06-05 03:05 PM
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50. I love this debate--sweet--gives a good pic of who is who |
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predicable but beautiful!!!!
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Thu Jan-06-05 03:04 PM
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46. Sheila Jackson-Lee D-TX |
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"how would you like to be in ohio and be told the election was on nov 3rd?"
"one vote one person"
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Thu Jan-06-05 03:04 PM
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48. Jackson-Lee... whew!! she was on fire! |
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Thu Jan-06-05 03:05 PM
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Let's investigate it all you little prick! I'm with you.
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Thu Jan-06-05 03:05 PM
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49. Oh Yeah, Rep Jackson Lee |
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What passion...quoting the Constitution.
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Thu Jan-06-05 03:06 PM
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52. if repugs want to talk of Dem problems -then lets have that investigation |
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Jack Kingston--Repug. R. Georgia what a jerk
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Thu Jan-06-05 03:07 PM
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56. what is this secret computer I have been hearing about and that is |
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making a laughing stock out of Democrats (convenient I know)
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Thu Jan-06-05 03:06 PM
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53. Kingston from Georgia is actually making our case |
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LOL! Keep throwing out those incidents of voter fraud across the country, buddy.
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Thu Jan-06-05 03:06 PM
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54. Kingston wants other states to be contested |
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Let's hope they give it to them. Can they still contest other states as the count proceeds?
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Thu Jan-06-05 03:07 PM
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60. not really, his blabber was just to make fun of Dems!! |
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Thu Jan-06-05 03:08 PM
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61. making fun of Micheal Moore!--Rupug Ric Keller |
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Thu Jan-06-05 03:09 PM
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65. the "Micheal Moore" wing!---Repug Fl--Keller--says we are not normal |
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Thu Jan-06-05 03:10 PM
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72. especially since Moore has been quiet on the election |
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they are buffoons
Maxine Waters counters him. She can actually speak on her feet. That beats the Republicans.
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Thu Jan-06-05 03:09 PM
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but I say we give it to him
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Thu Jan-06-05 03:09 PM
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66. My dream is other states do also. |
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And they have to go back and talk again and again and again. Oh, now I'm on the "stupid Michael Moore side". Or is he talking about Americans being stupid meaning himself?????
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Thu Jan-06-05 03:07 PM
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57. Kingston of GA (a Rethug) |
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talking about "alleged Democratic dirty tricks". Democratic supporters supposedly preventing Rethugs from voting. Yeah, right. Sounds like he's making all this up.
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Thu Jan-06-05 03:09 PM
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over the years are guilty of messing with votes. Make it treasonous for anybody to do anything to interfere with the voting process
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Thu Jan-06-05 03:07 PM
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"in frankin country, a dead person was registered to vote"
"numerous agents doing unidentified things"
"godzilla movies"
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Thu Jan-06-05 03:09 PM
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64. The Michael Moore wing of the Democrat party! |
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God this is sick. Barbara Boxer went to Michael Moore premiere. Conspiracy theorists blah blah blah
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Thu Jan-06-05 03:11 PM
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Dedicated her objection to Michael Moore for enlightening America about the crooked elections in this country.
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Thu Jan-06-05 03:11 PM
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75. but now Water, Dem Calif--ashamed of Blackwell!! great |
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black ancestors died to right to vote. she went with Conyers ot OHIO and listened to the voters. Listed many problems Praised Micheal Moore for educating the people!!
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Thu Jan-06-05 03:09 PM
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67. Keller, says Michael Moore thinks the american people are stupid |
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Thu Jan-06-05 03:13 PM
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80. Bush is in for another 4 years... |
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all but 2 senators vote nay in today's vote, so I guess Americans are pretty stupid.
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Thu Jan-06-05 03:09 PM
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68. Boxer was brainwashed by Michael Moore!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Michael Moore is the enemy of the people!
LOL!!!
Gosh, he scared them silly.
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Thu Jan-06-05 03:09 PM
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"michael moore-wing"
"hollywood-inspired conspiracy theories"
"who thinks al-zarqawi is a paul revere?"
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Thu Jan-06-05 03:12 PM
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77. and they have the nerve to call Us KOOKS??? Geesh. n/t |
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Another freak trying to say that we are terrorists.
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Thu Jan-06-05 03:11 PM
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Thanks Micheal Moore for bringing this to our attention!
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Thu Jan-06-05 03:12 PM
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76. yep. right after a repug pig criticized moore and boxer......nt |
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Thu Jan-06-05 03:13 PM
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81. stunning that tactics in 2004 still disenfranchize people!!! |
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Thu Jan-06-05 03:12 PM
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78. OHIO failed to run a fair election!! making fun of Blackwell and the paper |
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tee hee, go Maxine go!!!!!
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Thu Jan-06-05 03:15 PM
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84. Waters---must have verivialble paper trail!! go Maxine!! |
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Thu Jan-06-05 03:13 PM
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79. Some Dem needs to challenge a Republican to a duel! |
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Well not exactly, but...
A Dem should get up and say something like the following:
I offer to yield the balance of my time to any one of my Republican colleagues who believes that this debate is frivolous. Come up here and tell the American people that you believe it is acceptable to force minority Americans to wait for ten hours while their white neighbors breeze through the polls!
Come on up and tell the American people that it was just a prank that Latinos were encourage to vote on November 3rd when the election was on the second!
Come up here and tell the American people that you don't care whether or not there is a verifiable record of the votes they cast!
Any and all comers... Bring it on!
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Thu Jan-06-05 03:14 PM
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82. Maxine Waters: We continue to use horse and buggy systems |
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Thu Jan-06-05 03:16 PM
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86. Repug --need a period of healing R-OHIO Boehner |
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Thu Jan-06-05 03:16 PM
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89. this debate will cause 'great harm' to our country!! says election was |
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Thu Jan-06-05 03:17 PM
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91. get this behind us--says Boehner!! well, we are trying little man!! |
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Thu Jan-06-05 03:15 PM
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"blackwell, i am afraid to say, an african-american male"
"i listen to citizen after citizen"
"10 hours waits"
"it is clear ohio has failed to run a fair election" (5 times)
"enormous problems that HAVA doesnt consider"
"if an ATM can give a verifiable receipt, why cant a voting machine?"
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Thu Jan-06-05 03:19 PM
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"It is not about whether these problems are outcome determinative, ALTHOUGH THEY COULD BE..."
She was on fire. I've loved her for many years, but never so much as today.
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Thu Jan-06-05 03:16 PM
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87. Well, I'm just back from the Senate thread. |
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That was fun. We had 1 vote. I :loveya: Boxer. I'll give her a kidney if she ever needs it.
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Thu Jan-06-05 03:17 PM
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90. wasn't there one more? n/t |
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95. Boehrner: Richard Pryor's comedy sketch of a white man |
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221. Nope, only 1, the other was a glitch or something n/t |
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Thu Jan-06-05 03:20 PM
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100. You were a lovely hostess! thanx n/t |
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Thu Jan-06-05 03:16 PM
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88. I HATE Republicans justifying themselves with KERRY. |
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Thu Jan-06-05 03:17 PM
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92. Boner from Ohio is now on. |
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Excuse me it's BOEHNER! Freudian slip!
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Thu Jan-06-05 03:19 PM
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96. Oxley, Repug OHIO--rediculing people--this exercise is distracting- |
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Thu Jan-06-05 03:17 PM
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"activity without merit"
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Thu Jan-06-05 03:20 PM
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99. Kilpatrichk Dem Mich. supports the debate--rules of HOuse of Reps |
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allows this discussion --boy is she right-yet Repugs continue to say this is not the time!!1
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Thu Jan-06-05 03:21 PM
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101. We object to the "process" then listed problems |
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Men in suits-asking for identification all day long. Something was very wrong--Men in suits!!!
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Thu Jan-06-05 03:22 PM
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106. "men in suits" touching our counters--intimitaing them. WhOW |
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This objection will cause great harm to the election process. Well don't you think you should of that of that before the suppression and disenfranchisement of voters? The harm was to steal the election.
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Thu Jan-06-05 03:21 PM
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102. "Men in suits intimidating my voters" |
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That's what it's all about!
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Thu Jan-06-05 03:21 PM
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103. every time they went to vote? |
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Thu Jan-06-05 03:22 PM
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104. Kilpatrick:We the members on this side of the aisle object to the process |
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D-MI
"something was very wrong on November 2nd"
"every vote must count, every vote must be counted"
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Thu Jan-06-05 03:22 PM
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"right for the people to speak through us"
"sent here to represent"
"we object to the process"
"michigan had many problems"
"when it was over, men in suits were touching our vote-counters. ..felony."
"we've got to fix HAVA"
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Thu Jan-06-05 03:23 PM
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109. Schakowsky-not sufficent to tell ppl to 'get over it" Dem. Illinois |
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112. says can not simply call us 'sour grapes"!! this is our chance to |
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Thu Jan-06-05 03:22 PM
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107. Carolyn Kilpatrick (D-Michigan) is a good speaker |
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"We object to the PROCESS that failed many Americans on November 2."
"Men in suits were touching our vote counters. That's a felony. You cannot touch our vote counters. You cannot touch our voters." (Referring to voter intimation in MI.)
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You picked OH but it could have been MI, I stand w/ you approx
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Bohner jerk from Ohio. YAWN. If we wanna have a debate about elections are run, we have to have the debate in each of our 50 state legislatures. (Okey dokey, we've got OUR house bill cookin in the state lege right now, yeah!)
Oxley in Ohio: Amazed at how many experts on Ohio election law we have in this chamber. (Is he being a smartass?) Time for reflection, healing, this exercise is a "distraction." Eff you, Oxley.
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Thu Jan-06-05 03:24 PM
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"what are we gonna do about it?"
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111. the house is doing better than the senate did so far.....nt |
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Thu Jan-06-05 03:25 PM
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117. the house is doing great |
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Thu Jan-06-05 03:26 PM
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121. Repug. Portman OHIO--Warren couny--hears election was not fair. |
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Thu Jan-06-05 03:28 PM
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Thu Jan-06-05 03:28 PM
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125. "delegitmize the president of the US--says that what this is about!! |
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Thu Jan-06-05 03:24 PM
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Carolyn Kilpatrick from Michigan. Tens of thousand of people were unable to cast their votes. Rise to support S T J. This is the voters' right to speak through us. Rules of the House. This is the only way that we represent those people, express the dismay they felt on Nov. 2. This has nothing to do with overturning the election. We the members on this side of the aisle object to the process. Long lines, cold, rain. Michigan had many problems. In the area where they count the votes, all day long we had reports of intimidation, of men in suits intimidating my voters, asking for their IDs. something was very wrong on Nov. 2. When the polls closed men in suits were touching my vote counters, touching their ballots, went on 11 o'clock news and said that's a felony. it could have been michigan but you chose ohio and i'm here to stand with you today. Yields time to IL.
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Thu Jan-06-05 03:24 PM
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116. Jan Schankowsky (D-IL) |
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She mentioned "voter-verified paper trail".
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Nothing more important than our right to vote. That's why I stand with them. It is our patriotic duty to stand up for every voter. National demand for electoral reform. finish job begun under HAVA. paper trail. can't sit back and accept this result as if nothing happened.This is our chance to demonstrate that we are committed to everyone.
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Thu Jan-06-05 03:25 PM
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"Possible illegal activites in Ohio." Say it loud & proud
Someone please say FRAUD!
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Thu Jan-06-05 03:26 PM
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120. Portman: "irresponsible conspiracy theories" |
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Thu Jan-06-05 03:27 PM
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122. Rob Portman: "It's time to get our work done" |
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"no election is ever perfect"
"we agree that this is about every vote being counted"
"media was locked out in warren county"
"in ohio, we have a pretty good system"
"i am told the vote was 74-1 in senate"
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Thu Jan-06-05 03:29 PM
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126. Repug OHIO Chabot--says forced to engage in partisan debate now!1 |
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Thu Jan-06-05 03:31 PM
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129. Davis-Dem ILL--our elections are shaking the foundation of our demo |
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cracy!! Misconduct etc. wants voter rights protection act!
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Thu Jan-06-05 03:32 PM
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131. "brazen irregularities" DC Washington Norton--she is good |
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"few mainstream politicians doubt bush's victory"
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Thu Jan-06-05 03:30 PM
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128. Bob Portman, R-OHIO. |
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Says there's no basic to question the election. Disagrees with there is widespread voter irregularites, used words "conspiracy theories," :puke: Talking about Warren county BOE lockdown. Says that Jeff Ruppert, lawyer for KE campaign, was inside and didn't see anything, also Democrats were inside. Says that board system in Ohio is bipartisan. This is not the time to object. This is the views of Ohioans that have been clearly expressed.
And now with the newspapers again. What's with the Republicans and all the newspapers. Migod, they're ALL SO ON MESSAGE with the newspapers. Jeez, they must have gotten together and planned this.
We need to move on, I hope we'll come together to vote down this objection. Calls it a cynical political ploy. Yields time to Chabot, who says this is an attempt to sow doubt on the legitimacy of the election, blah blah blah. (I'm getting bored with these rethugs, can you tell? The Senate was much more fun.)
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Thu Jan-06-05 03:32 PM
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130. Danny Davis says the FRAUD word! |
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134. "confused party election officials" DC Washton Representative te he |
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Thu Jan-06-05 03:33 PM
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132. Oh! Passionate discussions!! this is good. nt |
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Thu Jan-06-05 03:34 PM
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133. Delegate Eleanor Holmes Norton: |
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136. Boxer only Sen voted to challenge in Senate (banner on this tube) |
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137. Scott, Dem Virginia---wants reform now!! |
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138. in support of the chanllenge --Dem. Wolfe (I think) |
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135. Holmes Norton: Let's fix our system this year |
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139. Tubbs-Jones just slammed Blackwell......nt |
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140. she is on a roll---send her flowers!!!! |
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142. self delete.... twitchy fingers from JOY LOL |
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145. first time since 1877--need nationwide reform. He seems tired. |
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148. implied that we did not have an election that we can be proud of. |
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What happened in Ohio, may well have been repeated across this country!
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144. Conyers...this debate will not change the outcome........nt |
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"this debate will probably not change the outcome"
"better system of voting for everywhere not just ohio"
"first time since 1877 this law has been used"
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Thu Jan-06-05 03:41 PM
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147. Why is Rob Portman (R) OH saying |
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that the votes were all counted when they WEREN'T?
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153. DeLay--this debate is just "noice" it is a shame a shame he says |
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156. it is an assault to our institutions--no one served by this petition!! |
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159. Delay says Dems are engaging in Stagecraft--not good stagecraft either |
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149. John Conyers is my hero! |
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150. Will someone please just haul Delay off in handcuffs already? |
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168. This needs to be curbed? |
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Petition is beneath us. You bastard. Are you the one who got the murder charges against Andrea reversed today to grab media attention. I want to see this bastard in cuffs.
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Following a most Honorable American John Conyers. What a contrast.
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169. Me too.. I hate they are using the fact Kerry conceded to defend their... |
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157. bush is a closet computer nerd? I missed that. n/t |
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158. Tom Delay actually brought up vote stealing software eom |
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161. he says that Dems say Bush personally oversay the election-what the |
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160. De lay's warning the Dems. "They've turned to the x file ring..... |
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conspiracy theorists.....blah blah blah....it is a threat to the ideals ....
I'm having a hard time concentrating ...he said something about "not very fashionable". Was he talking about his hair?
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163. Delay says not only hurting themselves but the House |
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167. he is freaking me out!! |
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162. First time Delay is right??? Exile as defined by Webster is... |
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1 a : the state or a period of forced absence from one's country or home
We were FORCED from the polls, right?
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164. "We're not here to debate facts" WTF???? |
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165. Oh, it's the bugman. |
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What an asshole. (Richard Morrison in 2006!) DeLay is saying that the purpose of this is "noise," telling D's not to moderate their party's message. (well, DUR, we don't want to moderate it.) This is our chance to show what they have learned but instead they have turned to the XFiles wing of the Democratic party. Conspiracy theories again. (What BULLSHIT.) Talking about the President oversaw the development of vote stealing software. (WHAT AN ASS, NOBODY HAS SAID THAT.) Calling this "assault on institutions." :puke:
"the Democrat party" -- he can't even get that right. :puke:
One is hard pressed to find positive substantive ideas coming from the left. Ds have replaced statecraft with stagecraft, substance with style (pot, meet kettle.) No such voter disenfranchisement occurred in this election or in fact in 2000. :wtf:
OH, FUCK YOU, BUGMAN. Now he's talking about pre-election memos that are supposed to get us to charge voter fraud. :yawn:
(Would he knock it off with "the Democrat" leadership thing?)
WE WERE DENIED OUR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS, YOU ASS. What a whiny crybaby. :cry:
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"is a shame, a shame"
"charges are gravely, gravely serious"
"its noise"
"turned to the x-files wing to make their case"
"conspiracy theories"
"partisan waste of time"
"no voter disenfranchisement took place in this election, nor 2000"
"this is a direct attack to undermine our democracy by using a procedure"
"dangerous precedent being set"
"irresponsible tactics"
"this petition is beneath us"
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Thu Jan-06-05 03:48 PM
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Thinks Democratic Party needs to "moderate it's message." WTF does this have to do with voting problems? Distorts Dem. claims--says Dem. Party is accusing Prez of being a computer genius. I'm sure NO ONE ever said anything of the sort about *, but Delay is busily distorting the issue. What a fuckwad. He's going on about how the Democratic Party was great at one time, but has lost it's way. Again, WTF does this have to do with voter problems? Hope someone calls him on this pure octane bullshit. Delay says "this debate is undermining democracy." guess that'll be a talking point for Rethugs. "A dangerous precedent is being set here today." Hopefully, dangerous for fraudulent Rethugs! Christ, this guy is a buttwad!
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Delay instills fear in people-just like the WH!! he was worse than |
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and why didn't they get threatened with being thrown out like the people who made remarks from the Senate gallery?
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Thu Jan-06-05 03:48 PM
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170. Shouldn't this be over by now? |
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I'm sorry, but I find it painful to listen to 95 percent of the House.
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Thu Jan-06-05 03:48 PM
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171. Delay is a sleazebag! n/t |
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204. Delay: "What if, God forbid, an election...really DOES get stolen?!" HA. |
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The King of Orwellification has spoken, wow, what a...TALENTED ASSHOLE.
Delay actually scorned the Dems for crying wolf and endangering 'democracy' with a false alarm!
This is high theater. THE ART OF PUBLIC LYING. HOW TO USE THE EVIDENCE AGAINST YOU BACK AGAINST YOUR ACCUSERS.
That is what the fascists running Congress learn to generate-a force field against indictment called pre-emptive lying, staying ahead of the forces of law and order, weak as they are.
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He lectured the Democratic Party on its mission.
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Thu Jan-06-05 03:49 PM
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173. Hey, anyone, did my rep EDDIE BERNICE JOHNSON stand up? |
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I missed the first half. Because if she didn't I'm gonna be pissed at her.
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Thu Jan-06-05 03:51 PM
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House is Voting now cpan calls in now during vote |
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Thu Jan-06-05 03:50 PM
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175. Call in! Everyone who can, call in to C-SPAN now! |
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Thu Jan-06-05 03:50 PM
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176. Time Remaining - 13:32 |
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Rep Yea 1 Nay 53
Dem Yea 11 Nay 11
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Thu Jan-06-05 03:50 PM
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177. one republican voted yea...i |
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Thu Jan-06-05 03:51 PM
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182. Could be an error that could be corrected B4 the time expires. n/t |
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Thu Jan-06-05 03:51 PM
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178. They're voting 13:00 min left nt |
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Thu Jan-06-05 03:51 PM
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179. Which Republican just voted YEA??? |
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Thu Jan-06-05 04:20 PM
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237. must be a "glitch" n/t |
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Thu Jan-06-05 03:51 PM
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180. Delay: "This petition is beneath us" |
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bastard...
they actually applauded him
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Thu Jan-06-05 03:51 PM
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183. I can't read the screens, ya'll keep us posted. |
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Thu Jan-06-05 03:53 PM
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189. 15 Dems say "yea" so far (1 said it in Senate-Boxer)==she will go down |
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Thu Jan-06-05 03:54 PM
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193. 16 yeahs (3/3 callers are glad for this debate so far) |
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Thu Jan-06-05 03:51 PM
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184. Dems are mostly voting yea.....nt |
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Thu Jan-06-05 03:52 PM
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188. THE HOUSE DEMS ARE VOTING YEA!? |
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Thu Jan-06-05 03:52 PM
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185. Time Remaining - 12:00 |
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Rep Yea 1 Nay 63
Dem Yea 14 Nay 11
Yea 15 Nay 74
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Thu Jan-06-05 03:52 PM
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186. !st caller says..... Diabold !!!! n/t |
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Thu Jan-06-05 03:52 PM
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187. looks like we may have a republican voting nay with us..... |
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Edited on Thu Jan-06-05 03:57 PM by Califooyah Operative
not final though, and 12 dems so far...
on edit: no reps, 20 dems so far
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Thu Jan-06-05 03:54 PM
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190. Christ, Caller saying that SOS Blackwell is on board of JINSA? |
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And PNAC? Who's that, it's gotta be someone from HERE?
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Thu Jan-06-05 03:54 PM
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191. The one Repub vote is gone, and how about that guy talking against Israel. |
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Thu Jan-06-05 03:54 PM
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192. Time Remaining - 10:00 |
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Rep Yea 0 Nay 71
Dem Yea 16 Nay 17
Yea 16 Nay 88
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Thu Jan-06-05 03:55 PM
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194. some caller thought DeLay summed it well at the end!! yuke! |
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Thu Jan-06-05 03:56 PM
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196. 19 Dem Yea! (calling saying JFK should be ashamed of himself for |
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Thu Jan-06-05 03:57 PM
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198. caller saying DEMs always attaching the Rupublican whiny man!! |
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Thu Jan-06-05 03:58 PM
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200. caller says we are being snowed over!! no newspaper are covering |
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the story!
YUP thanked cpan for coverage!
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Thu Jan-06-05 03:56 PM
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195. Time Remaining - 8:00 |
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Rep Yea 0 Nay 87
Dem Yea 19 Nay 21
Yea 19 Nay 108 NV 302
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Thu Jan-06-05 03:57 PM
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197. Caller: You can tell the republicans have something to hide |
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Thu Jan-06-05 04:04 PM
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215. Caller (Voluntary Judge): I hope this is the last thing that happens |
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Caller located in in central Ohio, used to be a small country type community. Got over 70% of the people registered.
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Thu Jan-06-05 03:58 PM
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199. Time Remaining - 6:00 |
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Rep Yea 0 Nay 96
Dem Yea 20 Nay 25
Yea 20 Nay 121 NV 288
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Thu Jan-06-05 03:59 PM
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201. Dems 22 yea (now stupid caller saying move on) is that all they know |
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Thu Jan-06-05 04:00 PM
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203. repug says can't see how problems can happen-when 2 dems and 2 |
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Repugs on each board. What a nieve sob!!!1
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Thu Jan-06-05 04:00 PM
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202. Time Remaining - 4:00 |
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Rep Yea 0 Nay 117
Dem Yea 22 Nay 32
Yea 22 Nay 149 NV 258
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Thu Jan-06-05 04:01 PM
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205. repugs sure are whinning a lot when they call in!! |
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Thu Jan-06-05 04:02 PM
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Thu Jan-06-05 04:02 PM
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206. Oh, this caller is so full of shit. I WAS A PRECINCT JUDGE TOO. |
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Edited on Thu Jan-06-05 04:03 PM by crispini
Although not in Ohio. Did he say he was in Ohio? He's so completely not paying any attention to what we have to say, he's just relating one person's experience. what a whiny crybaby.
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Thu Jan-06-05 04:02 PM
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209. and what did you see? |
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Thu Jan-06-05 04:04 PM
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216. Well, I wasn't in Ohio. |
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But everything was fine, mostly, except for the bitchy rethugs I had to sit there with. That's not the point, the point is that ONE PERSON'S EXPERIENCE at one precinct doesn't have anything to do with other precincts.
C-SPAN lady just said that. Thank you, C-SPAN lady.
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Thu Jan-06-05 04:07 PM
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222. I was a poll inspector in Ohio, I had a blast. What a day! n/t |
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Thu Jan-06-05 04:10 PM
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230. I was a presiding precinct judge in Columbus, Ohio. |
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We actually had people voting until 1 AM Wed. morning. So it was true, Dems voted on the 3rd.
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Thu Jan-06-05 04:03 PM
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211. his voice was shaking like he was gonna cry |
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Thu Jan-06-05 04:02 PM
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207. Time Remaining - 2:00 |
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Rep Yea 0 Nay 134
Dem Yea 24 Nay 47
Ind Yea 0 Nay 1
Yea 24 Nay 183 NV 222
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Thu Jan-06-05 04:03 PM
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212. cpan is just letting him rag on and on! whine on and on! |
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Thu Jan-06-05 04:02 PM
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210. why did no Ohio election board supervisors object? |
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several republicans made the point that not one Democratic election board supervisors objected to the votes in their counties. why not?
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Thu Jan-06-05 04:04 PM
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214. I heard that also. I do not know why 29 yea's DEM |
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Thu Jan-06-05 04:05 PM
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218. someone whinning about the 'boxer rebellion" 31 Dem Yea's |
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Thu Jan-06-05 04:06 PM
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220. A Republican voted Yea? |
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With no time remaining, it looks like one of the Republicans voted Yea.
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Thu Jan-06-05 04:07 PM
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223. Never mind, it disappeared |
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Thu Jan-06-05 04:08 PM
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226. But 87 Democrats AWOL on vacation? |
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Thu Jan-06-05 04:10 PM
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231. The repugnants calling in sound scripted. |
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Thu Jan-06-05 04:07 PM
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224. someone tired of all this OHIO stuff-Communisist socialist gov Doyal |
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has vetoed some election reform. boy was she an item!!
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Thu Jan-06-05 04:06 PM
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219. Time Remaining - 0:00 |
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Rep Yea 1 Nay 171 NV 57
Dem Yea 31 Nay 73 NV 91
Ind Yea 0 Nay 1
Yea 32 Nay 249 NV 146
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Thu Jan-06-05 04:08 PM
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225. Wow, we had 31 dems vote YEA? Woo hoo! |
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Are we gonna find out who voted for and against? when and how?
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Thu Jan-06-05 04:09 PM
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229. still lots of no votes. this is the second rigged election--coordinator |
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for Kerry Edwards election. said he said c-span lots of evidence!! (guess c-span did noting with it). We have a one party system now.
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Thu Jan-06-05 04:09 PM
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227. Time Remaining - 0:00 |
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Rep Yea 0 Nay 177 NV 53
Dem Yea 32 Nay 87 NV 80
Ind Yea 0 Nay 1
Yea 32 Nay 265 NV 133
a "1" in Rep column appeared at least twice during the count, but then disappeared.
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Thu Jan-06-05 04:09 PM
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228. Less than ONE THIRD of Dems vote for the contest. n/t |
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Thu Jan-06-05 04:10 PM
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Thu Jan-06-05 04:11 PM
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234. caller says Dems need to wake up-talking of FL and OHIO-media should |
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cover more aspects of the election!!!!!!!
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Thu Jan-06-05 04:11 PM
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233. Yay, a Republican caller disappointed in the Republicans! Go him! |
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Thu Jan-06-05 04:13 PM
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235. Lots of real mean spirted things said to day from the Republicans--healing |
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Thu Jan-06-05 04:13 PM
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236. Ooo, another Republican caller that sounds RATIONAL! |
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Calling for everyone to vote on the same machine, with a paper trail, so I don't have to argue with this. I want a legitimate election, my Democratic family wants a legit election. Wooooo! Go her!
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Thu Jan-06-05 04:24 PM
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238. After 15 minutes of busy signals on C-SPAN lines I gave up. |
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Yeas up to 33 now. Conyers on now--"The silence on this issue has been breached......This is going into the Congressional record." Conyers says Michael Moore has been demonized for telling the truth. Conyers says the Rethuglican objections were "insulting."
Throughout hearings, occasionally Rethugs said voter intimidation and voter fraud were perpetrated by Dems. Yeah, right, if they REALLY thought that, they'd have been screaming to high heaven!
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