This was a battle won...the war is still being fought.

[ClarkUSA]

Stop whining and keep fighting the good fight.

[quiet.american]

1. Amen n/t

[insane_cratic_gal]

12. I'm with ya!

[NewYorkerfromMass]

2. I agree

There is no political damage and the issue of voting integrity was front and center.

[Shalom]

3. Yes - We Shone some light on the election, made the RepugRoaches scurry...

[TornadoTN]

8. Scurry?

Scurry for what? They pretty much knew this was coming and they knew that the Democratic approach was going to be exactly as it was. They shaped their rebuttals to paint us as "Sore-Losers" and you know what? It worked here in Tennessee.

No matter what we did today, the same end result would have occurred. Im just glad they got out there to show our fellow Democrats that they know and will try to do something about it. However, nothing will be done with the GOP controlling all branches of the government and sadly, we will be here in 2 and 4 years.

[knowbody0]

4. agree

i am way proud of the voices today. you can tell they tremble with passion

[katinmn]

5. Yes, it was successful.

We got our senator, and then some, and they had to discuss it.

This is just the beginning.

[tmooses]

6. This is just the first shot in this battle,but an important notice given

to the Repubs that we will not lay down on this issue.

[Spazito]

7. Exactly!

This did NOT happen in 2000 as it should have, it is one BIG step towards reforming the election system in the US. It will make it much more difficult for the repubs to vote against election reform, imo.

This challenge was NOT to overturn the 'election' but to put on record the numerous fraudulent practices to disenfranchise the voters.

[NVMojo]

9. I know you are right.

[Miami Liberal]

10. Hallelujah n/t

[fertilizeonarbusto]

11. Amen

Next battlefield: Social Security. and we are winning that one. BTW, I strongly recommend you guys check out www.rudepundit.blogspot.com. He has utterly brilliant strategy-not only brilliant, but potentially hilarious-in the Soc Sec fight.

[sabra]

13. Agree Indeed!

[Chimpanzee]

14. I don;t agrree - we won NOTHing!

The pukes and their media will paint us as wacko sorelosers - it's over - WAKE UP!!! There is nothing left other than violence!

[rdmccur]

15. If it wasn't for the

strong grassroots effort that we have been part of, even this would not have happened. Encouraging, yet very sad. Speaks volumes of the depth of political corruption in our nation!

[Blue_In_AK]

16. Thank you, Clark

Some people on this board are such whiners. Is instant gratification the only thing that works for you folks? Anything worth having is worth fighting for. That means US.

[DavidDvorkin]

17. The battle is lost

The war is lost.

The nation is lost.

[ClarkUSA]

18. WHINING is such a bore. SNAP OUT OF IT.

If this had happened in 2000...

HAVA wouldn't have been the way it was. Wars are fought over YEARS, sometimes
DECADES.

Y'know, the Republican Party was thought to be dead forty years ago.

This was historic. Talk to me again in 40 years.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

38. Being pissed off is not whining. There is a big difference.

[Patsy Stone]

19. Never Give Up! Fight on, Fight on 'til you have won! n/t

[bones_7672]

20. You've GOT to be KIDDING! This issue is TOAST! The Repubs

won't lift a finger for voting reform, it will forever be bottled up in committees. They will have a loooooong memory of this day and will consider it payback to do nothing but symbolic gestures from this day forth. Congress will now turn its attention elsewhere. And if you think not, remember the Senate vote today: 1-74.

[ClarkUSA]

22. You sound so brainwashed and powerless -GOP would be pleased

Good thing this country was founded by more determined and braver souls. Do you have any idea how long wars can be?

[bones_7672]

25. Care to share HOW this "war" will be carried out??? I believe the Dems

in congress will now fold their tents and steal away to doing the work of the minority party. They will deal with nominations, tort reform, SS reform, and election reform will barely be an afterthought. So, ClarkUSA, continue to believe in faries if you want. Reality is sometimes much more different.

[ClarkUSA]

27. Guess you missed the part....

where Lautenberg said he's working on a election reform legislation bill now and where others mentioned a "Right to Vote" bill.

Oh, and here's some words from William Pitt again and someone who actually did something other than whine about the end of democracy.

WilliamPitt (1000+ posts) Thu Jan-06-05 03:27 PM
Response to Original message
10.ÊThe new story: We're doomed and this was a total waste of time
At least, that is what DU says.
Bleh to that.Ê


tasteblind (1000+ posts) Thu Jan-06-05 03:30 PM
Response to Reply #10
11.ÊAmen. I thought it went extremely well.
To the people boo-hooing here, please know that the outpouring of support for this action through your phone calls was repeatedly mentioned in the speeches today.
You made a huge difference.
Like Howard Dean says, change comes slowly. You have to be in it for the long haul.
I am proud of what happened today. I think we all should be.Ê


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x253109

[ClarkUSA]

28. corrected link to William Pitt and tasteblind (who got back from rally)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x252205

[madison2000]

21. Amen!!!

[ClarkUSA]

23. William Pitt agrees with me

WilliamPitt (1000+ posts) Thu Jan-06-05 03:31 PM
Original message
I am with some of the activists behind today, and they are reading thisEdited on Thu Jan-06-05 03:32 PM by WilliamPitt
forum, and are disgusted by what they are seeing here.
"Whining assholes" was one phrase used. "Depressing" was another.
There is a lot of happiness and well-won pride here in DC. Only on DU can a good day be turned to shit in five minutes flat.
Way to be.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x253109

[crispini]

24. ALLELUIA! AMEN! n/t

[jaime_176]

26. This fight will continue.

This is not an "insincere morality play" someone just said. That makes me so angry, and calling this debate an attack to undermine democracy!!I can't stand it!!!He's so delusional!!!

[ClarkUSA]

29. Who are you talking about? A DU freeper/troll or a Repuke Senator/Rep?

[FreepFryer]

30. Right you are. And we're only getting stronger and more united.

[ClarkUSA]

31. cryingshame has some sane, smart words, too

cryingshame (1000+ posts) Thu Jan-06-05 03:09 PM

To All The Paragons Of Democratic Virtue On DU Slamming Democrats
for refusing to take the GOP bait and question Junior's legitimacy...

Why don't you open your eyes and realise that those Senators just made the GOP members who spoke look like Fascists who could care less about Voting Rights?

The Democratic Senators I heard speak touched on the need for Paper Ballots, Constitutional Right To Vote and Civil Rights.

They pointed to bills they've been trying to get to the floor dealing with the very issues we all know need addressing.

Maybe if you put a lid on your sanctimonious hyperventilating you'd actually be RELEVANT to the cause of establishing a citizen's Right To Vote.Ê

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=252249&mesg_id=252249
Ê

[ClarkUSA]

32. and WilliamPitt's reply to her

WilliamPitt (1000+ posts) Thu Jan-06-05 03:13 PM

6.ÊBingo

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=252249&mesg_id=252415&page=

[McCamy Taylor]

33. Solidarity, Brother and Sisters! Jan. 20 next then Special Prosecutor!

[ClarkUSA]

34. Repukes wanted Democrats to act like the radical fringe today....

A Repost of a comment by JI7:
Republicans wanted Democrats to do this today
but only if the dems went up ranting about how we won and Bush lost and other crap that we could never fully prove and that republicans can use like they did with the few clips from the wellstone memorial against us.
but instead what they got was democrats in reasonable passionate patriotic voices calling for voting reform so out system can be as fair as possible for all. that it's not about party but about america.
while the republicans on the other hand are the ones who come off as paranoid hateful assholes. Ê

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x254592

[crispini]

35. Amen. Kick.

[ClarkUSA]

36. Conyers just mentioned WHAT THE STRATEGY WAS at his press conference

(thanks, crispini :hi: )

berni_mccoy (367 posts)

Conyers JUST MADE THE POINT at the post-conference
We never mentioned Fraud or Putting Kerry in Office. The Republicans disgraced themselves with their defensive response and "THEY KNOW WE CAN USE THIS FROM NOW ON!"
The Repubs FELL FOR IT HOOK LINE SINKER! CONYERS IS A GENIUS!Ê

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x254768
Ê

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

37. I don't get why you think a battle was won? Does this look like someone's

Who has won?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=254557&mesg_id=254557

[ClarkUSA]

40. The strategy was to force open a public debate on election reform....

it was never to overturn the results of the election, which would have been impossible even had every single Democrat had voted AYE. There simply is not
enough votes in Congress. If every Democrat did stand up in Congress today
and yelled about how Bush really lost, then the GOP would have had a field
day with the infinite amounts of negative spin they could create, because BOTTOM line, there is no definitive "proof" (mainly because there was no way to forensically examine computer records due to GOP obstruction and BBV footdragging).

Granted, it would have been nice if more than Boxer stood up to challenge, but
that would have been strategically useless to the goal of forcing the debate
about the shenanigans of Election 2004, which many Democrats enjoyed reciting
BOTH in the House and Senate. The whining about why more didn't stand up is purely emotional. We had 33 House Democrats stand up and challenge....and
one extraordinary Senator who will go down in herstory.

The strategy was to create an historic moment when Democrats craftily paint
the GOP into a corner by emphasizing the disenfranchised vote as well as the partisan tactics of scumbags like Ken Blackwell (good luck on him being Gov. of OH after this). Today was never about torches and pitchforks, it was about
the opposition party playing it smart. The Repukes looked really angry and bothered because they know that millions of Americans tuning into C-SPAN will get to hear some real words of concern that can only make anyone listening to
think twice about how "clean" an election 2004 was. And these people vote.

Now Democrats have the wind at their backs when they introduce election reform
bills. The GOP can't very well let the bills die now....because they know that the
Democrats and some good Republicans as well as many Independents will ask, "WHY?" after this and come to their own conclusions.

When Rosa Parks refused to give up her seat, did anybody think it would lead to the Civil Rights Act ten years later???

Today's action will lead to a Voter Rights Act...it will take time and alot of determination to force THAT through, too. We are all walking in Rosa Parks'
footsteps.

[jayctravis]

39. We pissed them off! :)

They're going to get more and more defensive and trip up somewhere.

Was worth it to hear fuckwad Delay give that finger-wagging "shame" speech. Poor baby can't stand it when the constitution provides an opportunity for people to object to their grandmaster plan!

FUCK DELAY!

[ClarkUSA]

41. DeLay is a joke....and many in the GOP see him as radioactive...

It's like watching Newt Gingrich lecturing Bill Clinton on morality and lying when he
was conducting a 17-year long affair with his secretary whom he later married
after serving divorce papers to his wife when she was in the hospital getting chemo.

[Verve]

42. Right on! n/t