Ok I get it, lots of people do think fraud occured

[TheKingfish]

But do the people who think fraud occured have to constantly interrupt threads which are clearly trying to evaluate what happened with the assumption that fraud didn't occur? Im not saying there was no fraud, I can't prove there wasn't. But every thread gets turned into "the election was stolen stop trying to figure out why we lost!"

[lightbulb]

1. I imagine this is happening because

if the election was stolen, all arguments about our tactics and such are rendered merely academic at best.

[TheKingfish]

2. Right

So someone who starts a thread discussing 'why we lost' obviously doesn't think the election was stolen. So barging in and saying it was stolen would be going off topic.

[lightbulb]

6. Yes, it would be going off topic, which is rude.

I'm kind of playing devil's advocate here, since I'm still watching the evidence for fraud come together and have not taken an official position on it. When folks interrupt a thread in this way they are probably saying "Hey friend, let's not waste energy having a debate under false pretenses. Let's talk about what really happened and figure out what to do about it."

[TheKingfish]

9. Yea thats all im saying

I look at the fraud posts myself, and would like to see one state where Diebold machines are recounted just to be sure. But I don't really think the election was stolen. Who knows though, like I said its hard to prove it wasn't stolen.

[skylarmae]

3. we know why we lost - fraud ALL ELSE IS MOOT

[demobabe]

13. we haven't lost...

...yet.

votes need to be counted and certified.

both of these things have not occurred yet.

this is a legal process. even kerry conceding doesn't have any legal bearing.

the only thing that's occurred is news pundits calling the election for bush... there are many places that won't have votes counted until november 12.

[henslee]

4. Its no biggie. Good threads get kicked. Dullies fall off. Folk repost.

It's a message board, man. Chaos ensues. except of course in LBN.

[kerry2win]

5. lets find out the truth first

If he won fair, then fine I'll sleep better knowing it wasn't fraud. Since the exit polls are so far off and out of the m.o.e. only in * favor, I have to know why before I look other ways.

[hangloose]

7. It comes down to urgency, fraud requires an immediate massive

response after all in the case of fraud (vote theft) someone has committed a crime against your person. In this case in particular the ramifications are significant because the longer Bush has a "mandate" the more young men will die and the more economic damage he can do.

[LisaL]

8. I think the reason for this is obvious.

You could have the best candidate and run the best campaign.
But if the votes aren't counted accurately, none of this is going to matter.

[brettdale]

10. Its because we didnt lose

There is no point in trying to figure out why we lost, what policies we have to have, what we can do better next time, was Kerry the right man, was the media fair lets go out and canvass now for 2008, all that MEANS NOTHING, WE DIDNT LOSE IT, the only thoughts on our mind should be the stolen election.

[LoZoccolo]

12. Do it yourself and leave us alone.

Don't be annoying; we aren't paying attention. If you've got such a good idea, go start your own thread.

[LoZoccolo]

11. It's a Maoist tactic...criticism/self-criticism or something.

Seriously though, just alert them. It's rude; I agree.