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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 03:27 PM
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We are watching HISTORY folks
and this is the first victory in the Second Civil Rights Movement

The repubs are going, move along, nothing to see here, they also look very nervous... they look angry.

Folks we have had a huge victory.

Oh and for those expecting the election of the First Prince to be overturned, it will not happen... the fraud was so extensive you cannot do it... but this has actually shone a light, a strong light, on what is going on...

Oh and the Credit Card party has one thing right, and this is a side effect... this has also added questions to the election of his Fraudelency, for a second time in a row.
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DinahMoeHum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 03:29 PM
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1. "Credit Card Republicans". . ."Jim Crow Republicans". . .
new memes for new times!

:kick:
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fertilizeonarbusto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 03:29 PM
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2. I agree
They look nervous for the first time in years.
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CottonBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 03:31 PM
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3. Women & blacks rising up in righteous anger
Edited on Thu Jan-06-05 03:33 PM by CottonBear
has got to be very scary to all these white guys. Remember what happened in the 60s and 70s. We'll mobilize new generations to fight for their rights! Our civil and equal rights leaders from the 50s-70s can guide us.

edit: I love the "Jim Crowe Republicans" meme.
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TexasSissy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 03:32 PM
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4. What is the victory?
I'm not being sarcastic. I really would like to know what you think the victory has been.

I have mixed feelings about this whole thing.
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Helga Scow Stern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 03:34 PM
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5. The victory is that now the discussion is open. Now we have something to
work with.
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UTdem Donating Member (46 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 03:35 PM
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8. Good question
I really think I don't understand the big picture. Besides all of us, does America even know that there was anything going on today?
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 03:39 PM
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10. We are the media
use that email list you have, we all have it, and send emails to freinds and colleages that you know off, and remember to frame this as a right to vote, and clean elections and voter bill of rights, and constitutionally protected right... and leave ANY partisan bent out of it.

If you have any partisan Credit Card Hacks in their list, have them try to defend not having a clean and constitutionally protected vote
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 03:36 PM
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9. When Rosa Parks refused to leave her seat
you think anybody thought it would lead to the Civil Rights Act ten years later?

Think of this, chew on this... as they say... ROME was not built in a day.


;-)
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 03:57 PM
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13. The victory may be symbolic but symbols can be huge
Think about what a cross means to a lot of people if you doubt the power of symbols.

Some members of the Democratic Party stood up for Democracy today, and I see it as a turning point for our party. Appeasement is going out of style. There's a new minority party in town, and it's us, and we're not going to shut up and take it anymore.
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 05:35 PM
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22. To me, the victory is
that Republicans publicly called The Right To Vote And Be Counted an act "aiding the terrorists."

The right to vote and be counted puts us all in jeopardy. The right to vote and be counted is "bitter and partisan."

They finally acknowledged that they don't believe in anything. They just want to win.
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 03:34 PM
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6. YOU BET! Wooooo!
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 03:34 PM
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7. I agree--we shd celebrate!
It's not easy kicking molasses up a ladder.
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 03:46 PM
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11. Thank You! n/t
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 03:55 PM
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12. sorry to disappoint, but this won't even make the footnotes . . .
in the history books . . . what we saw today was a big giant nothing, other than several Democratic senators going out of their way to assure us that Bush indeed won the election . . .

next stop: Social Security and tort reform . . . how many Democrats will cave on those issues? . . . you can bet the rent money it will be enough ensure that Bush gets his way . . . again . . .
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 03:58 PM
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15. I hope that this energizes the Democrats and marks a turning point
What we make of this is up to us. It could be a wasted gesture or it could be the start of something big.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 04:00 PM
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16. Read what I wrote about Rosa Parks
Also you may not know this, not that I fault you, since they do not teach history no more. Read about Thyden Hayes, that decision and Rutherfood B Hayes, his Fraudelency...

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darkworkz Donating Member (211 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 03:58 PM
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14. Delay didn't write his speech.
What would be the result of an election that was actually stolen and the people didn't receive the rightful outcome from a federal election? That's a paraphrase of what Delay said.

Well, we're living in the early aftermath of everything he just said. And I could tell as I watched him speak that he knows they've been busted. To me he came off as being afraid of the future and the future of the necon republican party.

As we go forward you'll note more and more people that loose fear of "conspiracy theories" and start examining the facts that are available.

The sleeping giant is awake and those that have held it down for more than 5 decades are actually afraid and know anything could happen to them next.
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Mist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 05:23 PM
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21. Gods, I hope you're right
I'd love to think the whole Rethug machine could come tumbling down. I'd love to think Delay is scared. But these people hold most of the power in the country right now, and I fear the increasing damage they'll do. I hope something's been put in motion today--I guess we could call it "Civil Rights Part II". Thomas Paine was right--without the vote, we can't affect anything.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 04:06 PM
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17. You are so right.
I hate to go on record with this and ruin my a..hole image but the march from Lafayette Park to Capitol Hill was like a spiritual experience. The crowd was filled with so much positive energy you just knew something extremely special was going on. That was after listening to Jackson and Cobb talk about the new multi cultural, multi issue, multi party coalition. The vibe was so goot, the cops were giving people the thumbs up and being extremelhy cooperative. It was a march without a formal permit but the DC Police let us march in the streets and made sure it was safe. Some head honcho DC police official practically welcomed us to Capitol HIll when we got there (he was the guy giving the thumbs up). Just incredible.
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 04:07 PM
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19. Autorank - about how many people marched? Thanks for your report! (n/t)
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 04:06 PM
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18. We won't know if it was history or HISTORY for weeks and months from
now. If all we did was to make it clear to Congress; If all the Dems was to make it clear to the Republicans that we WILL NOT go gently -- then it was good. I wish one of them had indicated how many 1,000's of calls/emails/letter/faxes/telegrams they had received. It would have made it clear that this is a populist action. I appreciated Kennedy's comment that he commended the people who wanted the event to be more than a pro forma exercise (paraphrase).

There will be repercussions -- count on it. The purpose of an action like today's is to provoke a response, to reveal the injustice - and it did that. While I would have liked it to be stronger -- accusing them of stealing 100,000's votes in multiple states -- the evidence is not yet available.

Action like this will polarize in the immediate future, in the long-term truth is always a force for good. Courage is not the absence of fear -- it is feeling the fear and doing it anyway.

:)
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 04:12 PM
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20. Looking back on it now, wasn't it better for Kerry
to be absent from this process? Just think how the Repubs would have jumped on him and filleted him, and taken the emphasis totally away from the actual point, which was to call attention to the need for election reforms. Maybe now some of the media will write an article or two, and public outcry will prompt some legislative action. John Kerry did the right thing, because he knows how things work in Congress. He did not "wimp" out, as some have said here at DU. He did what was best for all of us.

I'm so proud of our Dem legislators today! Standing up for democracy. The Repubs were not answering those arguments, but continued to act as though this were about trying to undermine the election, and oh how dangerous for the country to question anything it does!! What hypocrites--they well knew what the Dems were saying, but were answering a "straw man" question again.

What are they hiding? And why are they afraid for it to come into the light of day?
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