So is idiot boy's "mandate" completely destroyed now?

[tridim]

I think it is. There is sufficient doubt in our congress that Bush's "win" in Ohio was tainted/stolen/etc. It's all downhill for * from here on out. He's going to continue to screw up everything he touches, and even before today he didn't have majority support of the people.

BTW, no question from me.. I know Ohio (and several other states) were stolen. Now on to the Blackwell investigation. When he goes, he'll probably squeal.

[ogradda]

1. i'd like to poke him with a stick

and hear him squeal.

[pbartch]

7. I WANT TO THROW ROTTEN TOMATOES AT HIM & CHENEY

put rocks in the 'maters so when they hit......they REALLY hurt. What would hurt more is the stench of the tomatoes coupled with the STENCH of Bush and Cheney.

Repukes stink!

[SuperSteve]

17. doubt it

none of the dems voted no but one, this ruins his mandate? laugable.

I'd say his mandate was sadly strengthened today given all the prominent dems who voted it down.

[Webster Green]

18. What mandate?

I don't know anyone who thinks the lying war chimp earned any sort of mandate.

[SuperSteve]

19. actually

4 million votes and over 50% of the popular vote is a mandate much to my own dismay.

[Webster Green]

21. Not a mandate.....

A narrow victory in a close election does not give one a mandate. It indicates that the country is almost evenly split and the winner needs to "reach across the aisle".

Unfortunately the repukes are bullies, and see no need to compromise.

[SuperSteve]

22. I dont know about that

He not only won by 4 million, but he carried republicans to pick up seats in the house and senate...which sadly does mean a mandate. Given he is the first president since 1934 to have done so. Its all so frusterating. He picked up more seats in 2002 aswell. I'm moving to Canada.

[FogerRox]

24. Ahh steve--I thought Kerry won by 10%

[meganmonkey]

28. Gee, Steve

You sure have the Republican talking points memorized. Have fun in Canada.

:nopity:

[SuperSteve]

29. hah

just because I'm a realist doesnt make me a republican. You cant argue with my points so you just align me with the republicans, brilliant thinking. We cant go on thinking we won while the facts beat us into the ground. My party has been hijacked by extremeism.

[meganmonkey]

31. Okay, how about these facts...

"In the popular vote, Bush has a margin of 3 percent. This is lower than the margin held by any president since 1916, with the exceptions of Kennedy in 1960, Nixon in 1968, and of course, W himself's negative margin in 2000 (remember, he lost the popular vote that time). Bush also has the smallest Electoral College margin, 6%, of any president since 1916, with the exception of his own 1% margin in 2000.

A mandate is a rare event, a signal of overwhelming political support. Reagan had a mandate in 1984, with an 18% popular margin and a 95% electoral margin. Two decades earlier, Johnson had a mandate with a 23% popular margin and an 81% electoral margin. These presidents had the “will of the people at their back.”

However, it's clear that the people in this election were split. Bush has a margin of 3% in the popular vote -- 51%. That is not a mandate, it's a margin of error."

http://www.notamandate.org/mandate.html

Not to mention the humiliating polls lately that show him with the lowest level of approval of any incumbent president immediately after reelection in the history of the US.

[mulethree]

35. bravo

Much better than my own which was just "3.3 million not 4 million"

[meganmonkey]

34. C'mon Steve, weigh in on my facts

I'm dying to know what you think. :shrug:

[roenyc]

2. yes blackwell looks easy. like he would talk in a heartbeat. nt

[RaulVB]

3. Are you crazy?

Wait until the "rethug media" gives the new marching orders for the American public!

[bunny planet]

4. Let's hope so, but I would have preferred to see him melt like the Wicked

Witch of the West at the end of the Wizard of Oz.

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[RoeBear]

11. Gay jokes

are offensive

[King Coal]

15. I didn't mean any offense, I heard it on Randi Rhodes

[Mistress Quickly]

6. Except they all said Bush won and it wouldn't change anything, BUT...

which everyone will play on the news as Dems say Bush Won!

Liberal media?

[Mistwell]

8. You must have wacthed a different debate than I did

Pretty much every single DEMOCRATIC representative and senator made it very, VERY clear in their speech that they THOUGHT BUSH ACTUALLY WON THE ELECTION, AND WON OHIO. They made it very, VERY clear that they thought there WAS NOT ACTUAL FRAUD, just irregularities that should be corrected for next election.

Doubt? All it looked like to me was re-affirming a Bush victory in a clearer way that if we had NOT called for an electoral college challenge to begin with.

I cannot believe people thought what happened today was good news. To me, it totally sucked. It was overwhelmingly short of what was needed, and indeed usually went in the opposite direction fo what was needed. It looks DOWNHILL from here, down the side we just climbed and not the other side we were trying to reach.

What did the Democrats need to do to convince you MORE that they do not personally doubt a Bush victory...hold up a "Bush Won!" sign for you?

Sometimes, I think some folks here at DU live in an alternate universe. And, that universe must have rose colored skies.

[punpirate]

9. Can't destroy something...

... that never existed. :P

[Up2Late]

10. What Mandate?

The only Man Date he wishes he had, is the one he's going to have in the Prison Shower Room, When he eventually goes to PRISON :grr:

[RoeBear]

12. One would think

people wouldn't make gay jokes on a progressive message board

[Quakerfriend]

16. Haaaaaa! LOL!

Nice one.

He knows he has no mandate, no support from the sheeples, and the whole of Europe and the rest of the world despises him! I'm wondering why Germany won't put out an arrest warrent for him, as well as Rummy!!

[FreepFryer]

13. Well, that conclusion to the proceedings was certainly anti-climactic, eh?

Now, think how gross and excessive his 'coronation' will be.

I bet they're rethinking a lot of things.

Press the attack!

[seriousstan]

20. Only if you really thought it would end any other way.

This thing was destined to end just the way it did. Politicians, on both sides, only have one thought in mind. Power.

Get it. Wield it. Retain it.

[FreepFryer]

23. I'm afraid I don't follow you. The outcome of today's battle was not Kerry

to become President, at least for many of my colleagues.

The battle was to provide firm justification to continue and accelerate the struggle to retake America from the neo-cons, now that continues.

And today, we won that battle.

Anti-climactic for the GOP, not for us.

[seriousstan]

25. I am talking about people who thought Kerry was going to be installed

as president after the vote was nullified. Evidently you didn't.

[FreepFryer]

30. :) No, I did not allow myself that false hope. But I admire those who did.

[theboss]

14. I wouldn't go that far

This group hasn't let much slow down their agenda. I imagine they will view this as annoyance and nothing more.

But that doesn't mean that we can't achieve real reform.

[quiet.american]

26. How many know what happened today

Here in New York, as I mentioned earlier, no one at my liberal organization office even knew ANY of this was happening today, until I told them -- then some of them asked, "oh, is it important?"

Walking through the streets tonight, I could tell almost no one knew about Barbara Boxer and Stephanie Tubbs-Jones standing up to the regime of the United States.

So, it may blast a hole in Shrub's mandate-theory, but I'm not sure given no one knows what happpened.

[Wilms]

27. * + * = * *

[yojon]

32. "mandate" dosent matter

Friends, we now have one party government. Probably permanently. The giggling killer can appoint whatever monsters he finds belching from the bowels of the earth to high office with impugnity. They can send people to gulags forever because they think they might be terists. They can eliminate public education completely. They can do away with government subsidized health care. Choice of abortion? Forget it!

Well we still go reality TV, Brittany Spears and Oprah.

Im really depressed.

Get to see a bunch of supposed democratic senators stand up with words coming out of their mouths but not enough guts to face down these killers. Maybe they were concerned about the possibility of unfortunate accidents...

[berniew1]

33. People here have been mostly talk and not much action; why not do somethin

There is a huge amount of documentation in the huge EIRS election report data at www.voteprotect.org maps/ state
and www.votersunite.org data base
of widespread suppression of minority voters, malfeasance by officials, vote machine fraud, etc.
But in spite of the huge effort by the groups that compiled the data,
hardly anyone has bothered to go through it and compile cases that could be used in educating the public on the problems, or in following up on blatant official malfeasance.
The same information shows what kind of reforms are needed in the electoral system to get back to a reasonably fair electoral system, which we currently don't have.
The information is still there and should be used. If we don't put out some effort and purge the fraud and corruption, and stand up for ethics and fairness in the system; I don't have much hope for the U.S. electoral system or the U.S.

[roseBudd]

36. It is as far as I'm concerned: BUSH CHEATED...

With a can of 3M Super 77 spray adhesive and a trip to kinkos, you can be the media...

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