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itzamirakul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 04:55 PM
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Repubs know that Election "credibility" is on the line now...
I haven't heard the entire hearing, but I can tell from the sound bytes on AAR, the defensiveness of the Repubs is based on fear. They KNOW now that more Americans than they ever thought would hear about the REAL EVIDENCE OF FRAUD, just heard it today.

That is why they keep bringing up the point that it makes the presidency look "weak."
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andyhappy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 04:56 PM
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1. oh yeah
we got them right where we want them now huh!

gimme a break!
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 04:58 PM
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2. You're right. The question has been raised. Even when they
say, "We're not disputing the Bush victory", they are disputing it by putting the question into the air. Very well done.
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Kansas Wyatt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 05:00 PM
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3. They even mentioned a lot of what wasn't right themselves,
And then attacked it. Kind of makes people curious about all of the problems they kept bringing up and denying.
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itzamirakul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 05:04 PM
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6. I'm still listening to them say
(Pryce - R-Ohio) This is their Party's trick to make the American people lose faith in the electoral system.

If that isn't fear, I don't know what is.

And btw: It wasn't "Our Party", but a few brave Congressmen and one brave Senator and millions of dissatisfied voters at the grassroots level that brought today about
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Old Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 05:01 PM
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4. True dat
They came prepared to argue that exact point, and did it poorly.

You're right, there is a silver lining.
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RaulVB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 05:02 PM
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5. "News", YOU THINK THEY CARE? (n/t)
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itzamirakul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 05:05 PM
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7. Yes, I do think that they care
else they would not be so exceedingly defensive. they would just blow us off as they usually do.
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RaulVB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 05:06 PM
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9. Sure, they care about getting caught, you mean (n/t)
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 05:06 PM
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8. NYT article on Electorial Debate has almost no words on WHY NEEDED!
The 3rd time in History does not rate real coverage of what was said - at least not in the pages of the NYTimes (it gets less coverage than the last time when the two chambers interrupted their joint session and meet separately back in 1969, when a "faithless" North Carolina elector designated for Richard Nixon voted instead for independent George Wallace. Both chambers agreed to allow the vote for Wallace)!.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/06/politics/06cnd-elec.h...

January 6, 2005
Democrats Force Debate on Ohio Election Problems
By BRIAN KNOWLTON International Herald Tribune

ASHINGTON, Jan. 6 - A small group of Democrats transformed the traditionally routine ritual of certifying presidential election results into a tart partisan protest today, forcing both the House and Senate to debate Election Day voting problems in Ohio, the state that gave President Bush the crucial electoral votes needed for his re-election.<snip>

But its rarity underscored a lingering sensitivity to election irregularities like those that overshadowed the 2000 election. Democrats complained this time that Ohio election officials, headed by a Republican who led the Bush campaign in the state, had provided too few voting machines in some Democratic precincts and allowed other irregularities.<snip>


Senator Boxer Statement On Her Objection To The Certification Of Ohio’s Electoral Votes

http://boxer.senate.gov/news/record.cfm?id=230450

For most of us in the Senate and the House, we have spent our lives fighting for things we believe in – always fighting to make our nation better.


We have fought for social justice. We have fought for economic justice. We have fought for environmental justice. We have fought for criminal justice.


Now we must add a new fight – the fight for electoral justice.


Every citizen of this country who is registered to vote should be guaranteed that their vote matters, that their vote is counted, and that in the voting booth of their community, their vote has as much weight as the vote of any Senator, any Congressperson, any President, any cabinet member, or any CEO of any Fortune 500 Corporation.


I am sure that every one of my colleagues – Democrat, Republican, and Independent – agrees with that statement. That in the voting booth, every one is equal.

FROM WILL PITT INTERVIEW WITH CONYERS:
http://www.truthout.org/docs_05/010705W.shtml

PITT: How are you feeling about what is happening today?

CONYERS: We have come a mighty long way. It seems to me, as we began this adventure, to make the ballot as important as it is, and that it be counted, and that it be available to every single qualified American voter, that I had always suspected that it would be hard for the United States Senate to do, again, what they did in 2000. To close down any possibility of any debate, of any investigation, of any recount, and it turns out that my hunch was correct.

The fact of the matter is that we have everything to gain and nothing to lose by doing this. This isn't like there is a down-side to this. It is all up, because as everybody knows, all the phones are jammed, emails are coming in, faxes. People are coming in from all over. This is a test of American democracy, just as in 1878. They passed the law to deal with the presidential election of 1877. We have to, in 2005, pass some more election reform laws to deal with what happened in 2004.






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Mistwell Donating Member (553 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 05:08 PM
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10. Evidence of fraud? You must have watched a different debate.
Almost every person from both sides of the aisle went to great pains to point out that there was NO evidence of fraud, and that Bush actually did win!

What debate were YOU watching? Pretty much all that was talked about, by the people supposedly on the anti-fraud side, was "irregularities" that would not have changed the election result even if they had not happened, but which should be addressed in the future.

Real evidence of fraud? Not unless people are reading this website. It certainly wasn't put forth in those hearing rooms!
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Not a Sheep Donating Member (199 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 05:11 PM
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11. I don't know that ......
"Repubs know that Election "credibility" is on the line now..."

I didn't get that impression from their words. They simply attacked and tried to change the focus of the debate. Unfortuntely, I don't think what happened today will change anyone's mind who didn't already have it made up before hearing the challenges and debate. I hope I'm wrong. Time will tell.
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 05:14 PM
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12. NOW is the time to lay the foundation for four years of discrediting Bush.
NOW is the time. NO "honeymoon." There must be a continuous, iron-willed struggle to undermine, discredit and politically destroy every figure and facet of this administration. I am hopeful for four years of immobility and political morass.
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darkworkz Donating Member (211 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 05:17 PM
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13. yup!
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 05:18 PM
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14. You're right, itzamirakul, the GOP was put on notice today...
Everything they do now will be suspect...

They will HAVE to address election fraud now or be suspected of hastening the death of democracy in favor of advancing Bush Family interests...

It is UP TO US to keep the pressure on!!!
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itzamirakul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 05:38 PM
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16. Right! We HAVE to keep the pressure on now...
despite the pathetic naysayers that are suddenly among us.
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 05:31 PM
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15. David, I am with you. Can we start today?
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