It's over----can we move on and get ready for 2008? Please!!!!

[candy]

[smurfygirl]

1. or how about we start with 2006

I still think some of us DUer's should run for office.

[Freddie Stubbs]

79. or 2005

Many states have municipal, county, and state positions which are on the ballot this year.

[vanboggie]

2. Getting ready means fixing this first

Why move on to Coup III and faux-Prez Jeb Bush? First objective is to pound on electoral reform. Otherwise 08 will be just another exercise in futility.

[PROGRESSIVE1]

3. Wes Clark 2008! Clark is articulate and intelligent.

He can communicate like Clinton and Cuomo did. Also, Clark is willing to discuss his opponents dirty laundry.

[Pacifist Patriot]

4. Um, two things.

First of all we need to retake the majority in congress in 2006 first. Secondly, if we don't reform the voting process we don't have a snowball's chance in 2006 or 2008.

[leftchick]

9. it boggles my mind people don't get this...

That Democrats don't get this. We won't win a stinkin thing until the election process if FIXED!!! :crazy:

[derby378]

14. Exactly

Remember the Help America Vote Act? The touchscreen machines it gave us enabled this:

http://www.boomchicago.nl/Section/Videos

(Choose the Bush Wins Florida! video and have fun)

[McCamy Taylor]

5. If by 2008 you mean getting ready for Brother Jeb, sure lets forget 2004

If that isnt what you mean, then lets clean up this mess, first.

[dqueue]

47. I can't wait

to see McCain's face when jebbuscho declares his intention to run. I feel they must have promised McCain a chance at the whitehouse for him to have turned 180-degrees during this campaign...

Sucker!

There's much to fix. I don't mean to be a doomsayer, but I really fear bushco are going to screw this country and its populace beyond repair... at least for a generation...

[Zookeeper]

55. Yes, McCain really sucked up a major load of....

humiliation from Smirk to "ensure" his chance at a run in '08. I'm not a fan of McCain, but I still wince at the insults he embraced in order to stay on the good side of a bunch of weasels.

And, I agree, Jeb is up next for the creation of the BushCo Dynasty.

[RaulVB]

6. Dream up!

And better get some GOOD HACKERS!

[merh]

7. Yes, no one has stopped anyone from getting ready for 2008

(though we need to keep 2006 in our sights too) - Election reform has to be pursued and our voting processes corrected to make 2006 or 2008 even matter. (imho)

[mordarlar]

8. I was hoping our next goal was to take out blackwell

[IndyOp]

71. Mordarlar - I am with you! Find the smoking cannon and USE it! (n/t)

[Lostnote03]

76. LMAO......Ohhhhhh Yeaaaaa!!!!.....

[seabeyond]

10. you want to move on,.......move on candy

there is another room where you can go on. no one is making you stay in this rom of 2004 election. certainly you have the right to move on. move right along

[Vinnie From Indy]

11. Why don't you go on ahead and we'll meet you there!

This fight has just begun to get started.

[ClassWarrior]

12. WTF do you think we're doing around here??

Community theater??

<LMAO>

NGU.

[RevCheesehead]

20. More like "summer stock" or "shakespeare on the green"

NGU, either! :)

[ClassWarrior]

23. More like off-Broadway... REEEAAALLLY off.

NNNGU.

[Lostnote03]

77. Baddddd Broadway was my GOP take of the day!!!...n/t

[IndyOp]

72. I'm thinking its a little more like the Three Stooges, sometimes! (n/t)

[hippiegranny]

13. WHAT is over?

It isn't OVER until we SAY it is over! It has only just begun. Election reform advocates had a huge opening round victory today. Nothing is OVER!

[Vinnie From Indy]

15. What Do You Bet Candy Will Not Come Back To Comment...

after throwing this bomb?

[candy]

25. I'm back----

What bomb? The election of 2004 is OVER.Period.

Correcting the election process is NOT over and if we sit around and complain and whine about how we were cheated we are just wasting time.

Everyone has to get out,starting in their own voting district,and make sure this stuff never happens again.

We should act,not react!!!!!!

Less time on the internet and more time in the neighborhoods would solve a lot of problems.

[IndyOp]

75. Sorry - We gotta capture and convict the thieves AND look forward.

Less time on the internet and more time in the neighborhoods would solve a lot of problems.
This is a red herring. People who are activists in one realm tend to be activists in many realms. I'm on the town square at protests regularly, have spoken in City Council and at Public Library on Election Fraud, table for lots of causes at the local Farmer's Market, donate money, and have walked many, many miles delivering literature for the local Democratic Party.

Everyone has to get out,starting in their own voting district,and make sure this stuff never happens again.
If we don't punish bad behavior it WILL occur again. Have you ever let a bully 'get away with it' who didn't just act like a bigger bully the next time? Didn't we learn something about the failure of appeasement back in the late 1930's? I know that the Republicans are the "law-and-order" party -- but we are gonna have to emulate them in this situation. How many felons need to serve as Majority Leader before we decide that some of these folks really might be crooks?

:kick:

[DELUSIONAL]

16. IT IS A WASTE OF TIME AND MONEY

UNLESS THE VOTE IS COUNTED --

IT WAS BULL SHIT THAT THE DEMOCRATS COULD GET OUT ENOUGH VOTERS TO OVER RIDE THE GOP DIRTY TRICKS.

WASTE OF TIME.

JUST BULL SHIT.

[itzamirakul]

17. Ever hear of multi-tasking? A lot of folks can concentrate on

more than one thing at a time.

If that's not YOUR bag, then get to work on what makes you feel useful and we will join you as well as continuing to work on voting rights.

[IdaBriggs]

18. Waste your time all you want; Stalin was right.

But if it makes you feel better to pretend all the work you do matters, enjoy! I just spent two months learning that knowing how to program computers means I am a wacky conspiracy theory person, so what do I know? :)

[leftchick]

24. Thank you Ida!

I am so damn proud of you! :loveya:

[seabeyond]

26. ida i watched you pour your heart and soul

into vermont? you were on ground zero in the middle of it. havent seen you for a while. are you hopeless? would love to hear from...you

[FreepFryer]

19. Yes. We can move on to Federal Election Protection and prosecution of

Vote thieves.

[nadinbrzezinski]

21. Not about Kerry

but about counting the vote, count every vote, count every vote... what part of this is so freaking hard to understand?

[eowyn_of_rohan]

22. Sorry, I am not a rubber blow-up clown

that comes popping back up a second after I am punched down. I think we deserve at least a little time to process all this.

[RevCheesehead]

27. OMG, Eowyn!

I thought you were going to say "Bozos for Bush!" :evilgrin:

We are Weebles. We may wobble, but we don't fall down!

NGU

[eowyn_of_rohan]

29. Are you kidding?!

may that name never leave my lips!! If they pop into my brain, even, I have to cross myself and I am not even Catholic! ;)

[RevCheesehead]

40. Years ago, my brother had a Bozo punching balloon.

It was very - ah - therapeutic. :+

[eowyn_of_rohan]

43. Well I hope it wasn't YOU! ;)

I remember those things too...my next door neighbor had one for a few weeks, then it was a leaker.

Sheesh. I am too drained to feel like punching anything right now...

[RevCheesehead]

50. Actually, we used each other for target practice.

That's why Mom bought Bozo for my brother. And yes, he popped a leak several times, too.

Try a "power nap." They're helpful.

I've gotta go to a church meeting, but I'll be back around 8:30, so PM me if ya need to vent or whatever.

Peace, sister!

[Zookeeper]

59. Weebles! I love it!

I will keep that image in mind. :hi:

[Karenca]

28. you can go...i'm staying......nt

[Jersey Devil]

30. Many here would rather continue self-flagellation, a masochistic ritual

God, I wish I was a shrink, I could make a bundle.

[seabeyond]

31. like hell you could in all your not knowing what you are talking

about yet spouting off with your mouth. you dont know squat about me. why dont you go away. if you have such issue with people here, go. sounds to me like you are the masochist. being in a place with a bunch of people you dont agree with insisting they think and do what you do just cause....cause why you are superior in some way, in knowledge. what you havent shown me anything. how arrogant. how dare you decide what i am about, what i think, what i know

[Jersey Devil]

34. I have never spoken to you so why the defensive rant?

My fee for this session will be 5 cents, thank you.

When did I offend you so much that you felt you had to try to come on so strong? Maybe you are overcompensating for something?

[seabeyond]

37. Many here would rather continue self-flagellation, a masochistic ritual

When did I offend you so much

this isnt offensive. is that what you are saying. surely you didnt mean this as a compliment

[candy]

38. I got slammed and was told to "move on "just for starting---

this thread. I just don't get it!

Some on DU seem to have an "It's my way or the highway" attitude.

[seabeyond]

39. look at the title to this room, election 2004

if you dont want to talk about the election 2004........ then dont come in here. but to come into a room where it is discussion on election 2004 and to tell those of us that are talking about election 2004 that we need to stop talking about election 2004. no

dont wnat to talk about it. dont come into a room with a title election discussion 2004

just a simple duh

[candy]

46. If I posted in the wrong room,sorry,but I looked

at all the other threads under "2004 Election Results and Discussion" before I posted and I thought this would be the correct place.

Sorry again!

[Zookeeper]

63. Well....

Your post is a little like going into The Lounge and telling people to stop obsessing about trivia.

If you really feel that "it's over" then work at whatever you think is the best next step. But, as you can see, many of us still feel that there is much work left to do on election reform.

[candy]

73. Did you read my Post #25 that I posted a few hours ago? n/t

[Zookeeper]

83. I guess I missed it. 'Sorry. n/t

[itzamirakul]

42. Candy, excuse me for pointing this out but YOU

are the one who is suggesting the "my way or highway" direction. It is YOUR subject that says, "can't we just move on?" Well, what if the rest of us don't WANT to move on just yet? That's why people are saying that you should leave THIS room - not leave DU for chrissake.
Start a new thread on the topic that YOU want to discuss and see if you don't get people posting to THAT instead of wanting THIS room closed down.

[Jersey Devil]

57. I guess everyone here is having such a good time they don't want to stop

Maybe there is some kind of kinky kick to it that we don't understand?

[joevoter]

32. No - we need a bipartisan investigation into the 2004 election

[JMDEM]

33. What, so we can have the vote stolen again

Damn... don't you get it?

It doesn't matter who we run if the friggin vote is corrupt in every election.

[Generic Other]

35. I haven't decided it's worth my time to ever vote again

Democracy is dead. What's the point?

[Lali]

44. If no one votes anymore how are things going to get better. nt

[Generic Other]

49. I'm thinking more along the lines of unplugging the lifesupport

I followed the work of a lot of great people at DU whose efforts I respect and admire. They deserved better of their senators and representatives. I feel like my country is a comatose patient slowly being bled dry by the GOP. I can't save the patient. I only seem able to prolong the suffering.

[IndyOp]

78. Lali - good point -- if 90% of Americans

had voted in this past election, and 60%+ of them voted for Kerry, then the reaction to having the election stolen would have been swift and LOUD. With only 60% voting it isn't as obvious when things go wrong. We gotta keep getting each other to the polls for every election!

Welcome to DU - Lali! :hi:

[Matariki]

36. I personally HATE the phrase 'move on'. n/t

[seabeyond]

41. and shut up. really have a problem with 4 years of people

telling me to shut up. and then calling me names, stupid, kooky, conspiracy therorist, traitor, unpatriot, non christian, masochist...........

what else do we have if i dont toe someone else's line

[MarkusQ]

45. In a word, no.

Look, the last three national elections have been rigged in broad daylight by a combination of local chicanery including selective voter suppression, voter intimidation, selective ballot wastage, and biased ballot miscounting. Now high tech tricks are being added to an already highly effective bag.

Open your eyes! I'm a life long Republican, and even I can see what's happening. Unless and until that gets fixed, it doesn't matter who the people want, or which party backs them--it will be a done deal under the sole control of whoever owns the "machine." Think Tammany Hall on a national scale.

So unless by "get ready for 2008" you mean "move to a free country" or fight to fix this one, you are deluding yourself.

--MarkusQ

[seabeyond]

48. high five republican dude

thank you

[acmavm]

51. Thank you, thank you, thank you. That's exactly the issue and coming

from a lifelong republican, that makes me sorry for my blanket insults (repukes, repugs) that I sometimes use. It's a good think to be reminded that there are republicans out there just as worried about our country as we are. People who love this country and can't bear to see what this bunch of liars have done.

Again thank you.

[Carolab]

52. Until we FIX THIS there will be NO CHANCE in 2008 n/t

[OneBlueSky]

53. 2008 is a lost cause . . .

as long as the Republicans control the election process and Republican corporations count the votes . . . if that system isn't changed, we have no chance of ever winning another presidential election . . . and the chances of that system being changed by the Republicans who benefit from it are exactly zero . . .

preparing for 2008 for me will involve honing my gardening skills, doing a little woodworking, and doing some volunteer work with non-political organizations that are doing good work . . . being involved with politics at this time is a waste of time and energy, and my finite days on this planet can be put to far better use . . .

but, hey . . . go for it . . . have a ball . . . Jeb's inauguration should be a doozy . . .

[stl_dem1]

54. Your Kidding right?

No,
I will not "get over it" and I will not "move past it" until the election theft is punished and those responsible put in jail. If ALL Americans were to PROTEST THE "INAUGURATION," there is good chance the repukes would fold. I still believe.

[floridadem30]

56. I will not move on until I know my vote as well as yours is counted and

will be counted in the future. I will settle for no less than that.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

58. Yes, its over Candy. I don't mean the 2004 election, I mean Democracy.

Now if you wish to moveon, please do. I am an individual and can do anything I damn want to do right now. BTW...I don't think there is a 2008 election to move on to. Bush is a fascist. Like Hitler he will take this country to where he wishes it to go, with his sociopathic henchmen helping him every step of the way.

One of the best articles I have read about this was written by Thom Hartmann. I suggest you read it, and wake-up.

When Democracy Failed:
The Warnings of History
by Thom Hartmann

The 70th anniversary wasn't noticed in the United States, and was barely reported in the corporate media. But the Germans remembered well that fateful day seventy years ago - February 27, 1933. They commemorated the anniversary by joining in demonstrations for peace that mobilized citizens all across the world.

It started when the government, in the midst of a worldwide economic crisis, received reports of an imminent terrorist attack. A foreign ideologue had launched feeble attacks on a few famous buildings, but the media largely ignored his relatively small efforts. The intelligence services knew, however, that the odds were he would eventually succeed. (Historians are still arguing whether or not rogue elements in the intelligence service helped the terrorist; the most recent research implies they did not.)

Continued here

http://www.thomhartmann.com/democracyfailed.shtml

[flyarm]

65. thank you for that article ommmm...and do remember

the jewish rabbis were hitler followers too!!

SPENGLER
When rabbis liked Hitler: A moral tale
The question of why the Muslim world views Jews in a fashion reminiscent of Adolf Hitler's can be answered by taking a look at pre-Holocaust Nazi Germany, a time when even the rabbis of Berlin sympathized with the fuhrer in his disdain for the moral decay running rampant in society. (Dec 8, '03)

When rabbis liked Hitler: A moral tale

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/EL09Aa01.html

fly

[in_cog_ni_to]

60. Get rid of the evoting machines

then I'll think about the next election. Why would anyone spend time, money and effort on another election with evoting machines being used?? Doesn't make any sense to me. 2008 we'll have a 1 party government. 2006 they will steal more seats and 2008 they will finish it off.

[seabeyond]

62. i gave hundreds and feel like a chump

i know i am not going to give my money and time when we have done nothing from stopping republicans from stealing and stopping democrats from voting. talk about fools. we are being called fools cause we want these machines monitored and the people who use them. really who is the fool that would do this all over again

bush's
fool me once shame on you fool me again, shame on you again........i think not

[in_cog_ni_to]

67. I'm STILL angry that I donated so much

money through the primaries and the election. I just KNEW the Dems had our backs on the evoting issue. They didn't. They don't. Yeah, I feel like a big fool. Never, ever again will I put that much into an election. The Dems have done me in. :(

[berniew1]

61. If 2004 election is over we have no democratic system; no point in 2008

There was a huge amount of well documented suppression of minority voters and vote machine fraud and vote manipulation in many states.
If nothing is going to be done about it; there's no point in thinking about 2008 elections. There is no democratic system in U.S. any more.

[Helga Scow Stern]

64. Getting ready for 2008 may mean nothing less than getting people to riot

in the streets...by then they will know that the election process has become a sham. I am afraid that's what it may come to. And there is a lot of work to be done between now and then, starting right now.

[genieroze]

66. I'll move on, I won't roll over. eom

[roseBudd]

68. No because BUSH CHEATED...

With a can of 3M Super 77 spray adhesive and a trip to kinkos, you can be the media...

go to http://somnamblst.tripod.com to download high res files

[bardgal]

69. If we don't EXPOSE the FRAUD NOW - there is no 2006, or 2008!

[mountainvue]

70. Think back 40 years ago to the civil rights movement.

When Lyndon Johnson signed the Voting Rights Act of 1964, would you run up to a group of minorty voters and ask them to move on? We are still trying to guarantee their right to vote today. Hell, who knows, we might be trying to hold on to all our rights to vote. Senator Harkin pointed out today that the constitution does not guarantee us our right to vote. Ponder for just one moment what Bushco and say Alberto Gonzales could do with that little factoid. Still feel like moving on?

[BigBearJohn]

74. I wonder what Benjamin Franklin would have said to all you here

[greatscott15]

80. I'm with you Candy

I'm ready to focus on the future. And it scare me what the future will be if we don't quit focusing on the wrong belief Bush cheated and won.

Bush won fairly, and I don't like it. But unlike so many lemming here, they don't want to face the cold reality that Bush won fair and square.

We've got problems. Unless we get to the root cause, get ready for McCain or Rudy in 2008.

[fearnobush]

81. Get the Point Please!!! There is no 2008 if we lay down and let them steal

WTF - 2008 waht a joke, sorry to be harsh but voting is over until we force this party to act and provide the people with varified voting.

[txindy]

82. Go ahead. There's an entire forum dedicated to it. Nobody's stopping you.

Here you go: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=108

[demodonkey]

84. If you don't fix up these voting problems there IS NO 2008. eom