I'M CELEBRATING!!!! Who's with me?!

[meganmonkey]

Today's events are unprecedented, at least in our lifetime. A big old can of writhing worms has been opened and it's going to be tough to close it again. This was a HUGE step toward what our goals are.
We have known all along what it is we're up against, right? We are one step closer to ensuring fairness in our future elections, and one step closer to real investigations of what took place in Ohio (and maybe some other states too) - investigations which could lead to some interesting consequences. And don't forget the lawsuits pending in Ohio.

This is not a TV show, it doesn't have a happy little wrapped-up ending after every episode. This is real life, deal with it.

AND CELEBRATE THE FACT THAT WE ACTUALLY HAD AN EFFECT ON OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS!!!! NONE OF THEM WOULD HAVE EVEN STOOD UP TODAY, LET ALONE VOTED AGAINST THE OHIO ELECTORAL VOTES, IF WE HAD CALLED AND WRITTEN AND FAXED AND EMAILED AND......

BE PROUD!! BE GRATEFUL!!

:party:

HERE'S TO YOU, DU :toast:

[HeyManThatsCool]

1. LOL

Some here are older than 35... the last time something like this happened was 1969

[FreepFryer]

5. The last time an entire state's votes were under objection was 1877.

This is a major victory. Just count the Democratic Party-bash threads to measure it.

[rox63]

8. But in 1969

I was 6 years old, and wasn't paying attention to politics.

[bush_is_wacko]

18. I'm older than 35, but I don't remember all that much.

From what I've been told it took some time. We were heard today and each time they hear us we gain strength and numbers. the revolution has begun in a small way today. I hope we don't let it die. I am due for a small break though. A beer would be nice, and NOT Coors. I'm boycotting him. I'll go for a Tommy Knockers Maple I think!

[meganmonkey]

21. Geez, I said I was 'celebrating'!!

You expect me to get my facts straight? It's a wonder I can even type!!! :P

Actually, I had in my mind a reference to 1877 or something? Kinda forgot about '69....no offense.

And I'm not THAT young, btw. I'm 30!! (ducks)

[catnhatnh]

74. Bartender....

....Three fingers of imported Canadian drugs (Black Velvet) for my young friend!

[FreepFryer]

2. RIGHT ON!

Now, where's that Republican Piñata and my bottle of Cuervo...?

[HEAVYHEART]

3. Oh my god

I love your username!!! :yourock:

[FreepFryer]

19. Right back atcha. Keep up the fight!

[helderheid]

4. CHEERS!

God bless all of us, God bless Will Pitt, Michael Moore who talked about this challenge on the Today show, Rev Jesse Jackson, John Conyers, Sen. Barbara Boxer, and Rep. Tubb Jones, and everyone who spoke out today for our democracy!

[KittyWampus]

6. YES! I Am So Proud Of The Democrats Who Stood Up & Supported

election reform.

And am disgusted by the shortsighted bleets of sellout by many on this forum.

[complain jane]

14. But the whole thing is very frustrating.

I can see both sides. I have mixed feelings.

[meganmonkey]

25. Both sides?

I think we're all on the same side! There are many battles to this war and this was one, and we won! It may not have been as triumphant and exciting a victory as some people want, but it's a big step. We are one step closer. It's too bad if people's expectations were unrealistic but I refuse to let other people's expectations bring ME down.
Here's to believing in democracy and fighting to do our best!
:toast:

[complain jane]

29. Yes, we're on both sides of the issue but

I meant I can see both sides of the aisle re: frustrated & disappointed with those who refused to stand up vs. glad that someone did.

[meganmonkey]

35. I know what you mean

Of course it would have been amazing if more Senators voted against certification. But a lot of them DID stand up and speak in support of the issue.
It just worries me that so many people here don't take time to pat themselves on the back for their hard work. If they really don't feel like they're accomplishing anything, they sound like they're giving up. I am trying to avoid that defeatist attitude and focus on the positive, at least for tonight. Since it is such a long fight, we'll have plenty of time to debate the details.

[complain jane]

37. Well, thanks for the post.

It was badly needed.

:thumbsup:

[Left coast liberal]

81. Me too. It's like hearing taps for our democracy..

Sorry to be bleek, and I will arise tomorrow to fight another day but something about Delay and chums today (awfully jovial) have bummed be out today.

I'm damn proud of Boxer. God, the gal has balls!

[quiet.american]

7. Here's to the Ladies!

I celebrate with you that when Cheney asked whether there was any Senator who stood with the gentlelady from Ohio, the answer was a resounding YES!

I hope Michael Moore got it on film!

[NickiWitch]

9. I'll be drinking a fine bottle of champagne tonight!!

Today was great!

Peace!

[stray cat]

10. It was a good day

Standing up for election integrity and voters right is a good stance for any party and the democrats can claim it as an issue while the republicans look like ostriches with their heads in the sand.

Tom Delay is on record as thinking our elections are perfect - no one actually believes that

[Greybnk48]

11. I'm celebrating!!!!!

I'm goimg to take a nap!!!!!!!!!! Yea!

[complain jane]

12. You are right.

I just got finished screaming in another thread at the Dems who didn't have the balls to do what Boxer did. But yes you're right too. I have such mixed emotions over everything going on.

[sepia_steel]

13. WOOO!!!!!

I'm with ya!!

[FreepFryer]

15. Right on. Thanks for the encouraging thread!

(responded twice, sorry. Time for more Cuervo)

[meganmonkey]

28. You can respond as much as you want!!!

(she says as she pours another Grey Goose on the rocks!)

:toast:

[princehal]

16. Me Too

With the attitude of some around here, we will never be seen as more than the wacko left. They wanted everything tied up today and Bu$h run out of town.

I was proud to be a Democrat today.

And to those who are eating our own, FRICKING CHILL. You do more damage to our party than any one.

[mzmolly]

17. Mua!

:toast: :party: :beer:

[BigBearJohn]

20. I'M CELEBRATING TOO.. JUST HEARD THEY BLAME US!

The bloggers! So we did have an effect.
Take your hat off and bow.
Be honest. How many of you thought no
senator would challenge? Well,
LOOK WHAT WE DID!!

[FreepFryer]

27. Was that the first time the Congress used the phrase 'bloggers' in concert

with this grassroots effort? (I don't care if they did so derisively).. Because it cements our role as positive change agents. And puts us in the crosshairs. We'd better fight hard against the kinds of Internet restrictions that were foisted when the first tales irregularities arose.

Remember Susan Molinari on Hardball?

Transcript follows:

MATTHEWS: For more on developments in Ohio, we turn to former New York Congresswoman Susan Molinari. She‘s a Republican. And Joe Trippi, our MSNBC blog guru.

Joe, what do you make of these complaints, these irregularity charges? Do they stack up to a real cause to believe the election was stolen in Ohio?

JOE TRIPPI, MSNBC CONTRIBUTOR: I don‘t know if they stack up to that. But what they do stack up to is, when the blogs get percolating like this, it usually means they‘re really reflecting the concern of a lot of people out there.

There are thousands, hundreds of thousands of Americans commenting on these blogs. So when you see this many Americans actually saying, hey, we think something went wrong, we think this election was stolen, it is actually healthy that that process has now led to a recount and that the Kerry team is sending people in to watch, because what comes out of this is, if it is just conspiracy theory, it is proven that it was a conspiracy · that it was just that.

(CROSSTALK)

MATTHEWS: Is that your true belief? Joe, do you really believe that the bloggers who are out on the fringe there, the people who are putting up these smoke signals now from hell, saying that this election was stolen—do you think Ralph Nader is ever going to admit he was wrong?

TRIPPI: No.

MATTHEWS: He‘s out there talking about theft of an election. I just saw the tape. He never comes back and says he was wrong.

TRIPPI: No, I don‘t think Ralph Nader will.

But I think what is important here, particularly for our democracy—and I don‘t think we should take this lightly—if this many Americans believe, particularly after 2000, that this election was stolen, it is important that every vote is counted and that there are already concerns that those that are in charge of this, the election officials, the campaign officials, and the press, puts the scrutiny on it and finds out whether there were problems or not and reports it.

In that sense, the blogosphere did a service to the country in a way I really think the press and the candidates, Kerry walking away from it, without really pressing to have every count vote counted and make sure that these issues were ironed out, so that the people know this election was won fair and square. That is better for Bush. It is better for the Democrats. It‘s better for all of us.

MATTHEWS: Right.

TRIPPI: And that is where the blogs came in.

MATTHEWS: Susan Molinari, this sounds like the Arabs in the West Bank who said that Yasser Arafat was assassinated by the Israelis. What do you make of it?

SUSAN MOLINARI, REPUBLICAN STRATEGIST: Well, obviously, blogging has to be taken for what it is, with all due respect to Joe Trippi.

It is an opportunity for people to carry on without any consequence to their actions and what they allege. Look, even if you count all the provisional ballots in Ohio, and if they all went to Kerry, George Bush still wins Ohio and still wins the presidency. So we‘re going through this activity and we‘re going to make these allegations that George Bush is not the president of the entire United States.

But, fortunately, the majority of American are moving forward. I think Senator Kerry did the right thing by allowing this country to attempt to come together on a pretty ambitious schedule of reforming, tax reform, Social Security, trying to get the war in Iraq with a handle on it. There‘s a lot of work to be done. And this is just, I think, a distraction. And every vote should be counted. But, clearly, there are places all over the United States where the Republican votes are not counted.

Joe, come with me to New York City someday and I‘ll take to you some areas of New York where we‘re quite clear that there have always been problems and irregularities.

TRIPPI: Susan, I‘m not disagreeing with you.

What I‘m saying is that if these—it‘s like, when a conspiracy theory takes hold and starts rolling, there is a responsibility, then, for the press and for the officials to prove it wrong. And that‘s what I think is healthy about this process. When it is done, we will know that George Bush was the duly elected president of the United States or we will find out that these aren‘t conspiracy theories, that there is something really wrong with the process. That‘s good. That‘s important. I‘m not disagreeing with you about this stuff.

MOLINARI: Absolutely. And I don‘t disagree with you on that point.

I guess, just somewhere in the future, we have to find in this brave new world of ours, who holds the bloggers accountable? Or are we allowed to, at any moment‘s notice, go off on this venture and say, right, not right? Or, to Chris‘s point, when do you say, oh, I guess I was wrong, I‘m sorry, a la Election Day exit polling. That was sort of thrown all over the universe on blogs.

(CROSSTALK)

MATTHEWS: Let me ask you, Joe, give us some hope here. How long will it take to get a clear-cut recount?

TRIPPI: I have no idea how long that is going to take. I would I hope it would be over soon, relatively quickly.

But I think what is more important now is that, if we‘re going to dispel these theories, that we go through this process. And I think that was the problem that happened at the end of Florida in 2000. By not proceeding through the process, we left hundreds of thousands, maybe millions of Americans, out there believing to this day that that election was stolen. We can‘t—our democracy cannot afford that in 2004.

That‘s what—I think the blogs did a good thing here. And I think it‘s good that we‘re having this recount. I don‘t think it should go on. I don‘t think there should be recriminations and divisions after it is over. But I think it was healthy that the blogs began this. I actually think this speaks more towards what is the press‘ responsibility and the two parties‘ responsibility to ensure that these issues get carried out, because it wouldn‘t have been done. This would not have been followed up on if the blogs hadn‘t brought it out.

MATTHEWS: OK.

Thank you, Susan Molinari and Joe Trippi.

Join us again Monday night at 7:00 Eastern for a HARDBALL-“Newsweek” special report, “The Passion on the Right,” as we explore the religious right‘s influence in a second Bush administration.

Right now, it‘s time for the “COUNTDOWN” with Keith.

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.

END
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[SharonRB]

87. I'm just sick of being called "a small group of conspiracy theorists" n/t

[govegan]

22. I'm with you!

:beer:

Statement from US Senator Patty Murray (WA-D):

For Immediate Release: Thursday, January 6, 2005

While I support certifying the presidential election results, I agree with many of my colleagues who have raised questions about voting irregularities.

Election systems across the country are not working as well as they should be. Our experiences should serve as a wake up call: real election reform must be a top priority so that every voter can be confident that his or her right to vote has been protected.

Our democracy demands free and fair elections in which every vote is counted. We in Congress must do more to ensure that the problems we've experienced in recent years are never again repeated.

http://murray.senate.gov/news.cfm?id=230458

[emulatorloo]

23. thanks for posting, , ,now where the hell is that bottle of tequila? EOM

:toast:

[floridadem30]

24. I'm with you.

:toast:

[katinmn]

26. I'm celebrating the emergence of the Estro-Dems! Whoo-hoo!

[meganmonkey]

39. Estro-Dems!

I like it!

[mordarlar]

76. lol

[Starone]

30. Cheers to DU

I propose a toast to all who helped make today happen. After two months of depression from the results of Nov 2, today I feel positive that the voters are not alone...we have political leaders who have been listening and waiting for the right moment to help Americans pounce. Look out all of you who don't believe our election process needs drastic change.

[aWaKeNoW]

31. I raise my glass

to everyone who believes that this day IS a victory, and that future election votes will NEVER be stolen/suppressed again from the American people! :toast:

:kick:

[mulethree]

32. Cheers! n/t

[Withywindle]

33. I'm with you!

:toast:


We spoke and we were heard! And others spoke, and I heard 'em!

[Laurab]

34. I was proud AND grateful

But I have to admit that after watching the repuwhatever they are I am more disgusted with them than before (if that's possible). Is there one that doesn't stand and lie straight-faced? Was there one who even said that election fraud was an necessary issue? Aside from reading editorials from Ohio papers, praising *, and the "fair" election in Ohio, and attacking Michael Moore, I didn't see a single one who had an original thought.

Wait, it is pretty original to say that a fair election would be dangerous to democracy - several said that, so maybe it was an original thought for one of them. Can't figure out their thinking, but it was sure original.

I was proud to be a democrat, indeed. I especially liked the Senator from NJ I believe, who showed Ken Blacksnakes letter about delivering Ohio, and Barbara Boxer is a true patriot.

[JackORoses]

36. A New Hope

we hold the future
of our country in our hands

today, a very rare event occurred

our governing body, which usually functions on precedent in an unchanging manner, business as usual
paused...
and we moved into a new space
An undiscovered country
A more perfect Union

it's akin to a sudden burst in evolution after millenia of stasis

and the incredible thing is this evolution is self-invoked.
It is we, the people, that made this happen
Senator Boxer and all the Representatives stood up for us
but we were what moved them to
our thousands of voices speaking at once
we must continue speaking.

once drawn under the focus of our collective minds
this issue will become a movement in our world, but more importantly in the way which we percieve the world

today a door was opened to a new potential
instead of getting on with business as usual,
we allowed ourselves the option to change

what could be??

imagine a world
where every eligible voter(not just those lucky enough to be registered) votes and their votes are counted accurately?

this is not asking too much
and is possible in the new space we are moving into
it is just the beginning

we must not limit ourselves to the past.

we can dream a better future.

*

"Though the Empire seems invincible
and the Emperor rules for a time
A New Hope is arisen
and Lady Liberty is a powerful ally"

[meganmonkey]

38. That is lovely, JackORoses!

Welcome to DU!!! :toast:

And thanks for posting that!

[Stevepol]

40. Celebrate but don't forget the voting machines are the problem.

All the DREs but particularly the Diebold touchscreens and the ES&S & Diebold scanners systematically pad the Repub totals in every state where they are widely used, as here in KS which is already a Repub state, but not by the margin the votes here wd suggest. The same holds true for OK and every other so-called red state. And in certain states, like OH, FL, and PA, the power of these machines is such that they can turn the entire election and the nation's future on a dime. This is the problem, the whole problem, and nothing but the problem, and until it's solved nobody here at DU is going to be a very happy camper for very long. Figure out what you can do individually in your own little parcel of real estate to agitate for a VOTER-VERIFIED PAPER BALLOT AND ELECTIONS THAT ARE AUDITED BY LAW NO MATTER WHAT THE RESULT. Call the elections people and discuss it with them, download and circulate the Freeman study and other studies that show statistically the fraudulence of the election, talk it up among friends, and widen your circle of friends. Be optimistic with them but be HONEST. We don't have a democracy at present and our aim should be to restore democracy as soon as possible.

[meganmonkey]

42. Thanks for the info

and we're very familiar with that topic here, although I wouldn't go so far as to say it's 'the whole problem', as you do. It is one very effective tool being used, but certainly not the only one, IMHO. The Triad counting machines are a huge factor along with their representatives manipulating the machines before the recount, the fact that a Secretary of State can also be the campaign chair for one party, the fact that voting machines are distributed unfairly, that arbitrary rules regarding registrations and provisional ballots can be enforced more in some areas than others, etc. etc.

As for the action points at the end of your post, I have been doing all of the above for months.

[nashville_brook]

41. couldn't agree more! cheers, meganmonkey!

[juajen]

43. I'm in

:toast:

:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

[genieroze]

44. Cheers.

:headbang:

[Dancing_Dave]

45. Cool

:loveya: :yourock:

[rodeodance]

47. I will raise my glass with you all:-)

[keepthemhonest]

46. yes I am celebrating meganmonkey

I saw it for what it was, I secretly hoped that they could block bush, but he's going down another way. He will go down while president of the United states and he will walk in shame, for trying to destroy our democracy.

[greatscott15]

50. Celebrate What?

I am proud of the folks who stood up in congress today.

But what's to celebrate? I listened to 6 radio and news broadcasts afterwards. This wasn't the lead story on ANY of them. The Andrea Yates verdict being thrown out was a bigger news story. On one station, the bad weather across the country was ahead of this story.

The MSM is NOT conservative like some here say. We can't just label everyone conservative if they don't agree or cover things like we'd like. With the exception of Fox, the MSM supports us 110%. If there was even 1 shred of evidence, they would have support us 24x7. There was nothing there is why they didn't cover it.


This was a non-event for 99% of the people in this country. I'll bet 50% won't even hear about it. Most Americans are laughing at us today. Why you ask? Because if we were going to contest something, we should have done it in 2000. People look at OH where Bush won with 120,000 votes, and can't believe we are claiming fraud.

I am not into moral victories. Bush won. And the longer we keeping blaming voter fraud, instead of facing the real issues, we'll keep loosing.

I'm not celebrating. We lost on Nov 3rd, and we lost today.

I'll take a few days to cry my tears, and then I'm going to start working hard on 2006 and 2008.

Bush won fairly IMO. Time to move on folks.

[meganmonkey]

55. First of all, read my thread title again

I believe I asked 'Who's WITH me?'

But here you are, and I'll respond.
First off, turn off your TV and your commercial radio. You'll feel better in general, and sleep more soundly at night.
As for the 'MSM' ( I prefer 'Corporate Media'), I recommend doing a little research into the 5 or 6 major media companies in this country, what they own, and to whose campaigns they donate. You might be surprised.
As for people laughing at me, well, I don't really care. They'll be grateful that their vote counts in the next election and they won't even know it.
As for fraud and irregularities, this is what John Conyers was talking about today:
http://yubanet.com/artman/publish/article_16832.shtml
At the bottom of the page is a link to read the entire pdf of the report. Beware, it is big. Read the whole thing, and tell me what you think.

As for Bush's big victory, look at it in this perspective:
"In the popular vote, Bush has a margin of 3 percent. This is lower than the margin held by any president since 1916, with the exceptions of Kennedy in 1960, Nixon in 1968, and of course, W himself's negative margin in 2000 (remember, he lost the popular vote that time). Bush also has the smallest Electoral College margin, 6%, of any president since 1916, with the exception of his own 1% margin in 2000.

A mandate is a rare event, a signal of overwhelming political support. Reagan had a mandate in 1984, with an 18% popular margin and a 95% electoral margin. Two decades earlier, Johnson had a mandate with a 23% popular margin and an 81% electoral margin. These presidents had the “will of the people at their back.”

However, it's clear that the people in this election were split. Bush has a margin of 3% in the popular vote -- 51%. That is not a mandate, it's a margin of error."

http://www.notamandate.org/mandate.html

Pretty interesting, no?

Happy reading :hi:

[keepthemhonest]

58. sounds like you're lost

go down the street and take a right , you are down here to the left you see.


You are allowed to have your view point and so are we, so why even hang around in election results if you feel like bush won fair and square?

[berniew1]

48. It was positive if its used as a springboard; a beginning of documenting

the ethical problems and fraud and acting to do something about them.

[roseBudd]

49. I will continue to glue BUSH CHEATED to vertical surafces everywhere...

maybe some horizontal ones too.

With a can of 3M Super 77 spray adhesive and a trip to kinkos, you can be the media...

go to http://somnamblst.tripod.com to download high res files

[meganmonkey]

52. I love your work, rosebud57!!

:toast:

[roseBudd]

53. Download it, print it and head to kinkos, it;s fun...

and it's not vandalism if there is already graffiti

[meganmonkey]

60. I think I just might

Ann Arbor could use a little extra media! Lots of people who would probably be open to the idea but know nothing about it...

[SharonRB]

88. I would think you could find lots of support in AA...

and lots of places to put up stickers.

GO BLUE!

[lostnfound]

59. Love it! I saw one in Houston today! nt

[Coexist]

85. Don't ever stop

This entire thing cast a pall on the SECOND Bush Presidency. Hayworthless was furious about it yesterday - almost my favorite part. History will not be kind to shrub.

[Patsy Stone]

51. ME! Yay, you! Yay, us! n/t

[meganmonkey]

61. Yay!!!

:toast:

[livvy]

54. Hi meganmonkey!

I'm glad you posted this. One step at a time. I'm proud of the Dems that spoke up and all the people that helped it happen!

Cheers! :bounce: :toast: :bounce:

[meganmonkey]

56. Hi livvy!!!

Good to see you! :hi:
I'm going a little nutty today, I had to post this!

:toast:

[lostnfound]

57. Right on, me too! There is much to be hopeful about.

This was only a beginning today. Some of our representatives and one of our senators kicked a** today.

[Der Blaue Engel]

62. I'll drink to that!

In fact, I think I'm going to have a Guinness.

:beer:

Party on, meganmonkey!

P.S., I love your name. I love anything monkey. :D

edited for freepish typo

[meganmonkey]

64. Thanks, DBE!

I have to admit, I have mixed feelings about things German, since I have a German ex. But I'm willing to reconsider!!

:toast:

[Der Blaue Engel]

66. LOL

Well just call me The Blue Angel, then, if it's easier for you. :)

FYI, I myself am not German...but then I'm pretty sure you're not actually a monkey either. ;)

:toast:

[meganmonkey]

68. Well, maybe just a little bit

monkey, that is ;)

[sparky_in_ma]

63. Toast

it was a good day.:toast:

[John Q. Citizen]

65. We saw peoples history today..

I can vote Democrat and know at least some leaders in my party are willing to stand up for what's right and to object against what's wrong.

I can vote green and know they were willing to stand up for a democratic republic.

This is a very good and satisfying day and we should all be patting each other on the back. We made this happen. Today we discovered one of the secrects of the right wing - Make It Happen!

[fearnobush]

67. I too am celebrating. Boxer was excellent, Conyers etc.

I am so proud of all those Dem's that stood today. I am also feeling just as good about bashing all those spineless Dem's that have no courage. If not for us all bashing them over the last few weeks, years, none would have stood today. Bashing your beloved officials motivates them. Getting Bashed by your base works.

Congrats DU et al.

[Name removed]

69. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[meganmonkey]

70. If you want to know what we're talking about, read this

http://yubanet.com/Conyersreport.pdf
That is, if your IQ is high enough to make it through 100 pages.

Otherwise, go away.

[crispini]

71. Amen, meganmonkey!

:toast:

[jazzjunkysue]

72. I feel better than I have since 11/2: My voice was finally heard. However,

I emailed Hillary and Chuck and told them to go cheney themselves. Empty rhetoric without action=Bush standard operational procedure.

I actually wrote, "Anyone but Hillary" and "hillary go home."

[insane_cratic_gal]

73. I'm there!

AND Proud.. still work to do .. lots of it but :bounce:

[Verve]

75. Baby Steps with one Giant step today! Yeah! Let's keep moving!

[demo dutch]

77. I am with you!! But we have to keep on them to start election

reform, otherwise it was all for naught

[meganmonkey]

84. Indeed, our work has just begun

But, for me at least, this shows that we can actually affect our elected representatives- this never would have happened without us. So let's keep going!!!

:toast:

[kamqute]

78. How about a content smile?

[kalidas]

79. Got lemons? Make lemonade.

I don't share your optimism. This country will have a disasterous financial crash this spring and escalate it's war in the Middle East catastrophically before the year is out. Yippee!!! We're all going down. Time to start rearranging chairs on the titanic.

[meganmonkey]

83. So when we win a battle on one front

we're supposed say 'it's not good enough' and run for the lifeboat? We can't control everything. We made an effect on something many of us didn't think we could. That's a start. I for one find it motivating and inspiring. There is alot of work to be done. If we all give up, if we decide 'we're all going down' and give up, then we WILL all go down. Lucky for you a lot of us are ready to keep going, and the contest yesterday just made us feel stronger.

Peace.

[kalidas]

89. Not a free land

I understand that you are trying to keep your spirits up, but it is too late for this country. This country is in a major decline and it is too late to stop the downward spiral. Many of the democratic politicians have led this country on the road to ruin as well as republicans. The best thing we can do now is make preparaitons personally to survive in the years ahead. This country has fallen to corruption. It was never really free to begin with.

[ClassWarrior]

90. YOU go make preparaitons - WE'RE gonna PAR-TAY!!!

NGU.

[shiina]

80. Woo-hoo!

[catnhatnh]

82. I said it before,I'll say it again...

I'm celebrating with imported Canadian drugs-three fingers of Black Velvet!

[lonestarnot]

86. yAHOOO Celebration!

:toast: :bounce: :beer: