Tell me again the down side of voting YEA ??????????

[Laura PourMeADrink]

I personally don't see any, that couldn't be explained very well.

What, in a future election, your repug opponent said, "Hey, they voted to investigate the election, what a dummy"

ANSWER: "Yes, and I am proud of it. Thousands, if not more, were disenfranchised. How do measure that? People walking away? You can not -- so we don't really even know who won. And it happened in minority precincts. Look at the videos, here are the affidavits. I believe everyone should have the right to vote without intimidation, no matter who they vote for. And we also do not know who really won because a lot of the machines had no paper trail, etc.etc."

I really do not see how anyone could frame a criticism without giving you a golden opportunity to sound good.

[NYC]

1. You are looking at it from a constituent's point of you.

Many politicians do not. They are interested in protecting their own jobs. That's why they don't vote in our interests.

[FreepFryer]

3. Or that's why they don't accept your view of 'our interests' without any

thought to strategy.

[NYC]

12. Why &/or how they act/react:

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." -- Upton Sinclair

Someone posted this on the thread about Schumer not seeing any election fraud.

[MoonRiver]

2. Maybe their corporate donors threatened to shut off the spigot?

I've lost all faith in our leadership.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

5. So our people are taking money from people who don't want us to

trash their other people?

[MoonRiver]

6. A lot of corporations support the Repugs' policies

because they make them richer. It's stupid but Dems frequently cave in to get the lesser amounts of contributions that are thrown their way. Business likes * and the Repukes in general. Dems have allowed unions and progressive movements to be undermined because of our corrupt political system. JMHO, of course.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

10. Sad. So sad. Maybe I was better off before I started learning so

much from DU. Naive. Now I am ready to quit my job a start a revolution

[MoonRiver]

14. But who do we revolt with?

I'm serious here. The Dem party is currently hopeless. I would work, and probably will, for the Greens, but without a massive number of people turning Green they can't win nationally. But working for that goal may be more viable than trying to reform the Dems. Howard Dean proved that a grassroots movement can now, via the Internet, be financially competitive. If enough of us start giving and voting Green maybe, just maybe....

[Laura PourMeADrink]

17. I know. I know. We are between a rock and a hard place. Just

like Iraq. We can't leave and we can't stay. I am just hoping that some wonderful candidate (scratch that) leader emerges. It may be Dean, who knows. But I no way can I see myself supporting ANY of the people who didn't vote yes today. Not at this moment, anyway.

[MoonRiver]

20. Well, one thing I believe is that Republican policies will force changes

to occur, one way or another. They are driving this country into the poor house, and endangering our national security with *'s pre-emptive attack crap. The blacklash cometh, probably from progressive Dems who will suddenly start winning elections, as they speak truth to power, and third party candidates, for the same reasons. I just don't know how much misery we'll have to go through getting from here to there.

[KTM]

21. Bingo.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

11. Sad. So sad. Maybe I was better off before I started learning so

much from DU. Naive. Now I am ready to quit my job a start a revolution

[Goldeneye]

4. alright, i said this once, but it got a bad response,

so take it as you will:

There was no chance the Ohio electers were going to be flipped in a republican congress. Instead we need to focus on election reform. We want to keep this issue bipartisan. If every dem. senator and rep. had contested this would've become partisan and any prospects of election reform would've gone down as work of the sore loser, sour grape liberals. By not signing on, they cannot be called sore losers (although the right will call them sore losers anyway...) and the issue of reform stays viable.

[consciousobjector]

7. So instead

we have one lone Senator stand up and the media can dismiss her and the issue...sorry to give you another bad response...I just can't really grasp the upside of no one standing with Boxer

[Goldeneye]

8. point taken...i just don't know anymore....

I still think this is going to work to our advantage, but only time will tell. Someone posted yesterday, that Boxer asked other senators not to sign. I have no idea if this true.

[consciousobjector]

15. Keep the faith Goldeneye

I didn't mean to bring you down...:hi:

[FreepFryer]

18. I believe it was absolutely the right idea. Boxer is not isolated or alone

All we needed to make the statement was one Senator. There would have been a net negative had it been a larger pack'o'Democrat Senators, since the total was irrelevant to the argument. And it would have weakened the effect of the GOP's overargument to have a pack of Senators to rail against.

This is how it happens, folks... how an evil empire is upended, and Democracy's integrity restored. Slowly. With cleverness. Patience. Ruthlessness. Integrity.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

9. And I'll say it again. The time to worry about what THEY think

and say should be over! Everyone worrying and falling into the "Sour Grapes" rove ploy should end. People should speak up for what is right. That is why the stupider people like **. Like the Repugs are really going to start being fair since not everyone voted YEA??? Who's the dreamer now?

BTW, we are 100% behind election reform. Can't we have just ONE freakin night to get over the worst day in the democracy in my lifetime?

[NYC]

13. One of their biggest failings is worrying about

what others will think of them. Who cares what people think? Do the right thing!

[truth2power]

16. Thank you, thank you. Stop worrying what they think.

[FreepFryer]

19. Correct! You have identified a 'win/win' frame. You get a jelly donut.