How can we inform the other 75% about the Bush fraud machine.

[European Socialist]

WE need Bob Woodward or Sixty Minutes or maybe we create a bestseller bought by Lefties.

[mordarlar]

1. I still think palm sized pamphlets are a great idea.

I watched Christians do it for years. You leave the damn things EVERYWHERE. On tables,in cabs, airplanes, pinned to community bulletin boards, in stores, everywhere.

Actually even better, a little "comic" that informs.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

2. That IS a great idea... print 4 to a page. Thanks! -nt

[KittyWampus]

36. It IS A Great Idea. Comix are way more appealling than a full frontal

approach.

[starmaker]

44. cheap and easy

better if with personal contact .people have got to find out about links to info
national and state and local. not everyone knows where to look

[carolinalady]

3. 527 ad campaign laid out like the old Folgers coffee

commercials. "Back in the day", as my kids would say--folgers did a soap type commercial series that was extremely popular-cliff hangers and all. I was a teen at the time and remember how everyone talked about them wondering what the next segment would be. Hollywood needs to get creative. People absorb more when they are entertained.

[KittyWampus]

37. I Remember Coffee Commercials Like That. Man & Woman/Soap Opera

I think that's a brilliant idea too!

So glad to see a positive thread going. :)

[helderheid]

4. Don't give up on Michael Moore

He said something about a F911 sequal called F911 and a half - I feel he'll be showing the very best of the speeches from yesterday as well as expose the "rise of the machines". I wish we could clone him.

[EFerrari]

5. Did you see the NYT? We're "muckrackers" Ick!

"In many ways, the debate came about because of the relentless efforts of a small group of third-party activists, liberal lawyers, Internet muckrakers and civil rights groups, who have been arguing since Election Day that the Ohio vote was rigged for Mr. Bush."

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/07/politics/07elect.html

[SueZhope]

9. "muckrackers"

I have never heard this word....
what is that? sounds very Mucky and kinda yucky

[tngledwebb]

11. Muckrakers is a good word.

Reporters and investigative journalists who get to the truth are muckrakers.

[SueZhope]

18. Oh thanks...thats good news then...we need more of them n/t

[tngledwebb]

19. But if we DO get more , and they don't get MSM exposure

(and they won't, especially at the top end of MSM ) we've got a long way to go. Read The Daily Howler.Com., read about the Powell Doctrine, and get an idea of the fix we are in.

[EFerrari]

21. that's why the snippet from the NYTs amused me. I wanted to add

"with no help not even of any kind from this paper."

[tngledwebb]

25. Yes, amusing AND frightening that the NYTimes

is lately making sounds similar to all the pro freepers that popped up here after the election to say it was just an 'unprovable internet CT tale, Kerry lost, get over it and move on.'

But not a surprise.

[Liberty Belle]

31. Yep. It was first applied to Upton Sinclair,

who wrote "The Jungle," an expose of the Chicago meat-packing industry around the turn of the last century. It refers to raking up muck--ie, slime--and the GOP certainly has plenty of that!

[roenyc]

12. Thanks, this is why it was important that they all stood

"The challenge cast a spotlight on divisions among Democrats, with party leaders and many in the rank and file distancing themselves from the effort, while black and liberal lawmakers embraced it. The Democratic presidential nominee, Senator John Kerry of Massachusetts, did not support the objection, nor was he on hand to witness it. He was in the Middle East, meeting with troops."


as usual the cons are united in fraud rewarded for unity. amazing. nothing in the article about the horror show the cons put on. in fact it was writen as though the dems just upset the entire day. maybe i am being a bit prejudice here.

[garybeck]

6. keep doing what we're doing

I'm not going to stop:

http://election.solarbus.org

[Harry S Truman]

7. Keep doing what we're doing!

State media will never be convinced. And "60 Minutes" is a lost cause; they're too busy chasing singers and actors now. CBS is gone, too.
The answer: Keep blogging. Keep talking. Keep the issues alive any way we can. Sadly, I fear that the only real vehicle of change, in the end, will be demonstrations of Ukrainian dimensions.

[roenyc]

8. haven't you noticed that Woodard has crossed over?

[European Socialist]

10. Woodward

You maybe right. I guess I mean someone of his stature.

[roenyc]

13. yeah, he sat on bushs lap when he wrote that book

it was all over after that. its so sad. its like the kool-aid is really flowing in the white house.

[GOPBasher]

14. Good question. That's why I've been banging my head up against the wall.

[ColoradoDemocrat]

15. Get MoveOn backing reform!

Friends-
I like this board and I see outcomes from people reading here-reps referred to the jammed email and fax yesterday. I have seen LOTS of outcomes from MoveOn, so lets all pester MoveOn to get behind election reform.

1. black box voting
2. gerrymandering

What else?

[demo dutch]

16. We need a Votergate movie or book to materialize. Though unless we have

someone like Moore to spearhead the effort. Maybe Conyers etc. will write a book. But even after 2000 with all the publicity, the books written about it didn't really get that much attention as far as I know.

[democrat_patriot]

17. One person at a time. Like Urban Legends.

You know: "The mouse in the Pepsi Bottle"

Richard Gere and the Gerbil....


"Diebold can't track votes - they make ATM's - my cousin lost all his money at a Diebold ATM."

Send out 10,000 emails. Next thing you know, you'll hear that story from your Republican Uncle.

[Pacifist Patriot]

22. LOL! You're probably right.

[Pepper32]

24. I agree. Word of mouth! Very effective.

We can have meetups in every county in the U.S. This is how we begin to organize.

http://www.meetup.com/
(I like concept of this site)

[Liberty Belle]

30. T-Shirts: Ask me about how your vote was stolen.

[peacetalksforall]

20. A documentary is the only way...their power surpasses everything.

The viewer doesn't have to try (or want to) keep up with arguing know-it-alls on TV, they don't have to read, they can play it again, they can stop and rewind.

A documentary may or may not make it into the theatre, but a documentary that can be distributed to organsizations, a documentary that could be viewed over the internet, or free videos for the cost of postage and packing is the most effective.

We are a movie society - and for our purposes, simple demonstrations of the hardware problem can be made so much easier than technical concepts in word only.

No matter how our leaders voted, spoke, or didn't speak - the people are moving forward.

[AirAmFan]

26. We have lots of videos available to us already, but the rights to cut them

and repost them are murky. I'm thinking in particular of CSpan videocasts and DUer videos of the Conyers voter forums in Ohio. The problem now is that the few minutes of pure gold in each video are buried among hours of pure boredom. Can Real Media or other viewer software be driven by files our people could post, with the URLs where the videos are located and the start and stop times for the "good parts"?

Also, I thought John Conyers made the most convincing presentation at the Ohio electoral vote challenge yesterday, because he talked about real people whose votes were stolen: the Kenyon students who waited until 4am to vote, the person whose provisional ballot was not counted because of misdirection to the wrong table at the polling place, etc. Wouldn't it be great to have a DU video forum where our own video experts post footage of interviews with such people? All our people would have to do is tag along with Conyers's staff and with lawyers like Arnebeck at the right time, and get their release to use and promote any video shot those days.

[Liberty Belle]

29. Try the obvious. Ask C-Span for permission to use excerpts

to educate the public on voting fraud. Especially if you form a group that sounds like its in the public interest, they just might allow this.

I've begun asking progressive newspaper editors for permission to reprint the best articles in full, and so far they've all said yes.

[AirAmFan]

38. It takes time to get permission. I was suggesting a software solution for the DU

home page--a "VIDEO BLOG" where a mouse click would bring up two or three minutes of the "best parts" from a hard-to-find URL. We wouldn't need to ask permission anymore than we need to ask permission to post a URL for an HTML yahoo news story. I'm suggesting a kind of "deep linking" for online videos.

Free open-source software of the kind I'm talking about well may exist already, in one or more of the many blogging packages that are coming out. Or our own techies could work up an entry screen where people could suggest video URLs and start and stop times, and scripts that access them with one click. Then DUers could nominate the best video links for homepage, and we'd have a time-saving mechanism for actually seeing some of the events we now can only talk about.

I'm just saying that, with tens of thousands of like-minded DU members, we could find efficient ways to share just the "best parts" of available online videos consistently, anytime we feel like watching. We might call it DUTV, and it might help expand our membership to MILLIONS.

[Liberty Belle]

41. Good idea, as long as no copyrights are violated.

[ccarter84]

32. Good points, as for Votergate movie...

I e-mailed the guy in charge of the first official movie called votergate...and here's his response

"Sorry it has taken so long to respond to your mail. I have just recently returned from Washington and am off again to Ohio in a few days.
1. We'll keep you posted on the progress of our full-length version which should be out in theaters and on DVD by late spring / early summer.
2. Perhaps, as of now I have a ton of footage to go through so I cannot say more on that for now.
All best,
Rob C."

lets not hold our breath for this guy, but if he ever does come out with something it should be good

-CC

[AirAmFan]

39. I agree: "Let's not hold our breath" waiting for somebody outside DU to

provide video of what many of us want to see and publicize. Why can't we find a way to do it ourselves, by having dozens or hundreds of our tens of thousands of members share the work, most contributing just a few minutes a week?

[seabeyond]

23. not going to get tv news and we have known this since

impeachment of clinton he ropened the monoplies, adn they were off and running. that was it. not gonna get tv news

kerry adn all the otehrs need to understand this and come to us. trippy and dean started it they have to trust in it. kerry needs to sit down with us and talk to us and let us get the news out.

i am seeing something mighty grand here. so many gifts in site from yesterday event

[mordarlar]

27. We have set up a thread to try and get all the calls to action ...

in one spot. : )

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=262387&mesg_id=262387

Please join us.

[steve2470]

28. http://mediadiversity.blogspot.com/

http://mediadiversity.blogspot.com/

check it out

[steve2470]

33. kick nt

[myschkin]

34. Join

http://www.1-2-free-forums.com/mf/viewforum.php?f=1&mforum=mtf

DU information campaign & media task force

[jdog]

35. I'm going to church every Sunday....

a DIFFERENT church every Sunday and put flyers on the windshields of all the cars in the parking lot.

[Clark2008]

40. I think Dems NEED to go to church, actually

And start challenging the holier-than-thou Bushies and preachers who preach Bushism by countering it with the facts of Jesus's life. Bush is no Christian and it's time we take back our churches.

[Liberty Belle]

42. Good for you! This is a brilliant strategy.

Can you clone yourself, please? We need more like you.

[JoMama49]

43. I'm Mom to 5 kids, and I work 20 hours a week at home in

front of my computer. I think another good strategy for those of us in front of computers is to write letters to editors and also to magazines that have questions and answer columns. Get them to research the fraud. Ask a question as a regular citizen, something like:

Hi,
I keep hearing something about this past election being stolen by the Republicans. Apparently some democrats objected to counting Ohio's electors last week. Are voting machines reliable? Why were there people waiting 8 and 10 hours to vote in Ohio? I thought this was America! What's going on?

Anyway, you get the gist. If we all start doing this, it could have an impact.