What Byrd said ...whatever...in the Senate yesterday

[k8conant]

19 . OBJECTION TO COUNTING OF OHIO ELECTORAL VOTES -- (Senate - January 06, 2005)

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?r109:19:./temp/~r1097w4O5b:e45955:
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There are several groups and organizations that are investigating the reported irregularities in the Ohio election. That is important work and it should and will continue. When the investigations conclude, should there be solid evidence of criminal activity, those responsible should be prosecuted, no matter how high that responsibility may reach. But the Senate should not prejudge the results of those investigations.

Edited to included time, date, and source

[SharonRB]

1. When and where did he say this?

[rigel99]

2. DEFINITELY NEEDS TO BE SERIOUS LAWSUITS

lawsuits are good, with named parties better,
coupled with smart PR and the right education program, we could see this result in some serious elections being overturned or better yet a complete REVOTE.

I personally am aware there is damning evidence in Ohio and the ones collecting it are holding it till they have an airtight case to spank as hard as they can all at one time..

this is not over by a longshot... Byrd and others are probably briefed on this....

[liam97]

3. But by doing what it did

the senate did prejudge these investigations!!!

[bowens43]

6. How so?

In this country their is a presumption of innocence. It's up to the accuser to prove the accusation. When there is sufficient proof of fraud arrests will be made.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

9. no, not when it came to suppression and disenfranchisement

those thousands of examples are in the public record . But this is very interesting comment by Sen Byrd. I hadnt thought of it quite that way. Perhaps this is why there was not a lot of talk about exit polls, and computer fraud...

[Old and In the Way]

11. I saw it as a shot across thebow, so to speak.

No hard and specific accusations were made. They simply underscored that the evidence is being gathered to support their contention that the Ohio election results were bogus. They went on record yesterday to make Congress aware, so it won't be a big surprise to the criminal party when lawsuits are initiated and indictments are handed down.

[IndyOp]

5. rigel99 - thanks for this observation

"I personally am aware there is damning evidence in Ohio and the ones collecting it are holding it till they have an airtight case to spank as hard as they can all at one time.."

:kick:

[pacalo]

20. Indy, is that a Byrd comment?

I couldn't get the link to work.

[rigel99]

21. YOUR WELCOME and Dean is HOT ON THE ELECTION TRAIL

I'm shocked, actually. Dean has been publicly silent on this but today in Atlanta, Dean came out firing guns on the Electronic Voting Machines Issue.. he understood it down to the counted paper (versus paper trail), he got that in states like OH/FL they need to invoke sunshine laws to fight the cramp down in data gathering and as the new DNC head, he'll have any Sec. of state's head if he sees misconduct (See as managing the Dem. Money pot, he now has MUCH MORE SWAY) and he's damn clear on how to use it.. I got it all on video tape and will try to post... I"m exhausted though, this is the hardest work....

TODAY has been a crazy day.. the 'spank me with a noodle' ACLU is clueless on how to pursue election fraud in GA when I showed them a very clear case and how to pursue and yet, 20 minutes in a Dean meeting and I Have (other ACLUers) as well as lawyers / students saying you can do this angle, etc. and giving me pointers... this is the difference in spineless jellyfish democrats and backbone democrats.... I love my Howard Dean party, it's the only one that will reinvent a very lost and very ineffective democratic party..

THANK YOU DEAN.. today you shifted my direction and I will be happy to hand you a fair state to win progressive seats in the upcoming elections..

[fooj]

7. Spank away....

Thanks for this update...it's so hard to fathom these bandits getting away with yet one more egregious injustice!

[IndyOp]

4. Byrd said this? Seriously?

Letter to you? Link? This is good -- my big fear right now is that the criminals won't be brought to justice.

On edit: Yes, I really, really, really wish that they had voted yesterday not to accept the Ohio votes. Bush still would have won -- but it would have been a bigger impact.

:-(

[fooj]

8. I'm right there with you, IndyOp!

PEACE!

[KittyWampus]

10. You Are So TOTALLY INCORRECT. The Way It Went Down Democrats

showed they cared and presented facts and evidence about disenfranchisement and the need for Election Reform.

GOP looked like callous out-of-touch morons.

[IndyOp]

13. Totally incorrect about what?

I said I was pleased with what had happened, but would have liked more.

:shrug:

[jsascj]

18. In short

GOP were themselves. That's what they are!

[Jo March]

12. Bryd needs to be educated better - check out our thread

We are going to work on keeping up the fight for election reform. A big part of that is pushing for the education of our elected officials.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=262387&mesg_id=262387

[IndyOp]

15. Arnheim - are you calling it "election reform" to make it more

acceptable, but really mean "fraud investigation & election reform"? I gotta have "fraud investigation" involved to motivate me...

:kick:

[IndyOp]

14. Your link is *not* working... :-( (n/t)

[RevCheesehead]

16. Yeah - When I heard him say that yesterday,

I strongly suspected that a "plan" has already been formulated.

In order for the debate to take place, an objection to OH had to be made, and seconded by the Senate. I really believe the Senators collaborated, decided that Boxer would make the "official" objection, and the others would speak favorably, but vote against the motion.

When Byrd spoke, I could envision all of the activity and work in OH, and all across the nation. This ain't over yet, folks - in fact, it's really just beginning to take shape.

[rigel99]

22. The Bees are swarming from the Hive

what would happen if everyone on the DU board protested on the
same day at their capitol steps, and recorded it by video themseleves, (we cannot count on MSM to even have their cameras there) and then we put all the video online and then someone did the laborious job of counting the people in the videos.. and we put ONE BIG FAT # for how many people agree with Byrd on this one thing.. ELECTION DECEPTION?

I think that's where we all need to be heading folks...
The bees are starting to swarm from their hive.... and when we swarm it will be the great big sound of the GOP getting STUNG..

ask me about recalls? ask me about backdoor legislation.. ask me about all the ways we can skin this cat?!!!!

[berni_mccoy]

17. So basically...

Innocent until proven guilty in a trial by law. Hmmm... they must be looking to criminalize the OH administration. Presuming it's correct until proven otherwise. Sounds good, but the law on objecting to a slate of electors doesn't require this.

[k8conant]

19. How to find the speech by Byrd (look at others' speeches also)

thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/B?r109:@FIELD(FLD003+s)+@FIELD(DDATE+20050106)
Something's funny still: try cut and paste, I guess
go down to:
19 . OBJECTION TO COUNTING OF OHIO ELECTORAL VOTES -- (Senate - January 06, 2005)

click on that link
go down to
Page: S46

click on that.

Apparently the queries at thoms.loc.gov don't translate to permanent links.